Is the Richat Structure, the Eye of Sahara, the remains of Atlantis

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: LABTECH767

Thank you so much! I feel smarter already. I can’t wait to watch the videos!
So you think a/c causes cancer? How did you come to that?
Also I have been grabbed by a/c before. Is the reason it let me go because of the pushing phase? Or am I way off in my understanding?

I did not but there are many people whom believe that exposure to high power alternating field such as for example living under or next to electricity pylon's and sub station's (transformers) does have this affect, evidence is anecdotal at best but my own personal view is better safe than sorry.

a reply to: Nyiah

There probably was a city there BUT was it Atlantis, Spain has a much, much longer history of civilization than many realize.

Every great civilization in the Mediterranean had a colony there are some time, there are even claim's by some that Cadiz is actually the land of the Gaddites which of course would link them to the ancient Jewish people's if such a claim could ever be proven.

So it is definitely NOT beyond belief that perhaps Spain at one time was itself the home of a great civilization predating the great ones of classical history.

However I genuinely do not agree that it was Atlantis in Spain.
Still here are some net reports on the subject of Atlantis in Spain - hey it could have been a city OF Atlantis after all every other great culture did colonize Spain at some point but it is far too small to fit Platos description, it could also have been a lost Carthaginian/Phoenician colony or an early Greek even Mycenaean period city.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.ibtimes.co.uk...
www.nbcnews.com...

I also do not accept that Thera was Atlantis but the eye of Africa is so far the best fit for the city itself with the only problem being that today it is not an island so failing that we still have to then look to the Azores.

That there was probably a great city in pre-antiquity, a great civilization we have forgotten all about definitely yes but Atlantis no and I have seen the claim's that it is but disagree with them being proof of Atlantis compelling as they are.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
I also do not accept that Thera was Atlantis but the eye of Africa is so far the best fit for the city itself with the only problem being that today it is not an island so failing that we still have to then look to the Azores.

Not only that, it's not underwater and hasn't been for 100 times as long ago as Plato dates the end of Atlantis.
Since Plato is all we have, we must follow Plato's story, generally.

Harte

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Byrd

Correct as far as the scientifically orthodox view of human history is concerned but that is only according to that view, as you know there are other view's outside of the mainstream view some of which believe the human race is actually far older and is NOT evolved from a primate.

You're accepting Youtube evidence... but where are the actual artifacts and how were they confirmed? And if we didn't evolve from primates, why is our DNA 97-98% similar to the great apes?

How do you know that these Youtubers (who are simply repeating what they heard and are not the originators of these statements) are giving correct information? Cremo has a very poor understanding of artifacts, which leads him to make many errors.

For example, the Calaveras skull -- a few minutes with any book on skull anatomy and paleohuman bones will quickly show you that it's a hoax, as this web page shows. Ditto the Medieval skull which had washed out of a cemetery and was declared to be millions of years old


Religion and archaeology are a very bad mix.

a reply to: Byrd

When talking about DNA 2% is practically unfathomably massive.
Our DNA is over 60% identical to bananas. Do you think we evolved from bananas?

Or let me ask this a different way. If humans evolved from apes, couldn’t humans reproduce with apes, or has nature not figured out backwards compatibility yet?

a reply to: Harte

Well to be fair Harte I always thought of the Platonic Atlantis as a metaphorical tale but one likely based on at least a pinch of truth, there are definitely sunken city's all around this world which even you accept but some you may find hard to accept such as the one off the north west of Cuba.

Zelitsky and co' believed it had gotten there most likely from a land slide taking a huge section of the island down under the water but there seem's to be no geological evidence to back that idea up and while the Sonar is more than compelling actual camera imagery is sketchy at best and that is being nice to the little bit of camera footage we do have of the site - in the public domain.

Yet I still find it far more than compelling enough to believe that there is genuine artificiality in the formation's as you know.

As for the Eye of Africa you have to give it credit EVEN if your dating is correct and there was never a cataclysmic upheaval raising the altitude of the region were it is located had the region been wet enough even if this site was not occupied by human's the site does still eerily resemble the description of the Platonic Atlantis and so far it remain's the most closely resembling feature to that description of a city that I have ever seen, even down to it's dimension's at least in it's center region.

Even if not it remain's a feature which should receive international protection as a natural wonder since as sure as egg's mineral speculators will tear that place up if there is even a small amount of anything valuable in the region if given half a chance to do so in the future.

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
When talking about DNA 2% is practically unfathomably massive.
Our DNA is over 60% identical to bananas. Do you think we evolved from bananas?

But its also 60% similar to chickens, which by association must mean that bananas are dinosaurs.

*mind blown*

a reply to: Guiltyguitarist

We should try it and see what happens

a reply to: toysforadults

Lol. I will right after you

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: Byrd

When talking about DNA 2% is practically unfathomably massive.
Our DNA is over 60% identical to bananas. Do you think we evolved from bananas?

Or let me ask this a different way. If humans evolved from apes, couldn’t humans reproduce with apes, or has nature not figured out backwards compatibility yet?

It entirely depends on what point in time you're talking about. If you're asking if modern humans in 2018 can successfully reproduce with other Great Apes, the answer is no. In tests, human sperm can only penetrate the egg of the Gibbon and there's no evidence that the egg can successfully create an embryo.

If you want to go back 5 or 6 million years, there's evidence of gene transfer back and forth after the split from Chimpanzee as our X chromosome diverged from that of Chimps roughly a million to a million and a half years after the initial divergence.

But no, after being separated by millions of years, we aren't going to be instigating any admixture with other apes. We could get away with it when encountering other members of our own genus in the past and it probably happened a lot more frequently than is currently understood considering that at one point, there were 7 or 8 species of our genus roaming the globe simultaneously. It's not a matter of backwards comparability so much as it is genetic drift over several million years.

a reply to: peter vlar

Thanks for the reply. Starred your post. I choose to think humans were engineered by aliens or god or something.
Things like the sliding filament theory and dna itself are too ingenious not to be by design in my opinion. I could be wrong. I often am

originally posted by: Guiltyguitarist
a reply to: Byrd

When talking about DNA 2% is practically unfathomably massive.
Our DNA is over 60% identical to bananas. Do you think we evolved from bananas?

Or let me ask this a different way. If humans evolved from apes, couldn’t humans reproduce with apes, or has nature not figured out backwards compatibility yet?

To answer the first question, it's because we evolved on Earth and we have a very distant common ancestor that set the pattern for what genes you needed to survive here.

To answer the second one, apes split off from the branch that formed humans about 5 million years ago. So it's not "backwards" (since they continued to evolve) but a case of cousin-ship. Could we breed with them? That's not known, but physically there would be some real problems. There's rumors that the Nazis tried such things but they weren't successful. Breeding "cousin species" is not successful if a lot of time has passed.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Harte

As for the Eye of Africa you have to give it credit EVEN if your dating is correct and there was never a cataclysmic upheaval raising the altitude of the region were it is located had the region been wet enough even if this site was not occupied by human's the site does still eerily resemble the description of the Platonic Atlantis and so far it remain's the most closely resembling feature to that description of a city that I have ever seen, even down to it's dimension's at least in it's center region.

However, if you look at the ancient Greek trade routes and cities, it's clear that the Greeks never saw it.

a reply to: Byrd

I hadn’t thought about it like that. The apes continued to evolve too. Thank you, you’ve given me something to ponder

a reply to: Byrd

Good and accurate point, however if you remember at no time did Plato claim the Greek's had seen it but the story was told to his ancestor Solon by the Egyptian priests.

There was a claim that this ancient empire had once conquered much of the world and even had a war with an ancient Greece or those that had lived in Greece at the time of that war however which if you expand the region vastly could mean simply those off in that general direction since of course what did Greece mean to those priests since such a time would have been very - very pre-Mycenaean and of course were the Mycenaean's really Greek or rather more proto-Greek's.

I am sure someone could even link it to the Indian legend's of the war between the Rama empire and it's enemy which many have associated with Atlantis like this quasi mystical page.
atlantishistory.info...

The truth is however probably quite different but since we are dealing with a semi mythical subject here, some would claim entirely mythical though like I Say I do believe it is based on fact - how much fact is the point of debate however.

Certainly I believe human society may have progressed and then been reset to zero more than once before, perhaps even as some believe in a cyclic pattern and despite the lack of evidence I would argue that there is no evidence to disprove this belief, also that perhaps previous human ages have reached a similar or even surpassed our own level of knowledge and perhaps done so multiple time's, the only real stumbling block to this view is the idea of a young human race when of course there are plenty that claim and I myself believe in a far older human race - or perhaps previous races of human's or very human like being's but of course we are getting completely off subject in that and entering the divisive field of Oopart's most of which are either wrongly dated or else incorrectly interpreted - or downright fakes but some of which are definitely enigmatic and maybe, just maybe the genuine article which if even one could be accepted without argument as such would pretty much close the case on the standard accepted view of human history literally throwing it out the window.

Also to your ape point, is it a common ancestor or a collection of common viral infection's altering our shared genetic nature over time, you know that cancer is currently believed to have originally been a virus and of course we all carry that.
Many claim that human's used to have six or seven digit's so if they did how did they homogenize to the majority of the other life on this planet, perhaps viral propagation of genetic material between host species is a viable alternative to the easy and nice and very sterile view of evolution, the oldest domesticated species the pig, how many shared pathogen's and virus are we vulnerable too and could this not simply be down to those pathogen's (Except of course the instantly lethal since those would have a viral/pathogen species short duration and would self extinct themselves as they drove there hosts to extinction - which evolutionary speaking is a very bad mutation to adopt so rather to go though a life cycle in those that ensures the host species still has offspring and that those offspring are still viable which is why the overwhelming majority of virus and bacteria which share our body's with us are non lethal and regarded as harmless) over multiple generations homogenizing there host species to make them more viable for there own transmission forming a veritable symbiosis.

This video is cool, even if we may not agree with everything it also goes over the concept of a rapid cataclysm desertifying at least part of the Sahara extremely rapidly.


Also this video includes some very interesting Atlantis related information and interpretation's.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Got anything other than videos?

It's easier to scan text to find out the salient points rather than sitting through TWO HOURS of video just to see the points you think are interesting or important.

I don't mean to be harsh, but I don't think you'd be willing watch if I said "here's the videos that specifically rebut that" and then pointed you to two hours worth of geology lectures.

a reply to: Byrd

Nope, got a good shovel but the bus fare to that place would be a bit to costly for me sorry.
Alright sorry about the sarcastic reply - taken it back.
You ARE correct it is easier to speed read - except for me but then I just got a new pair of glasses so maybe now I could.
Let's be fair neither of us are expert's though there are a few very opinionated jack - on this site and sometime's I myself am one of them - maybe we all are when it come's to some topic's, I do believe this has some merit though - even if not Atlantis it is a vast area and may once have harbored a culture but I feel it is a great candidate for Atlantis - discounting other story's such as the AZTLAN of the Aztec's which they placed sunk in the eastern sea - so sunk - somewhere in the Atlantic etc or the legend's of the peoples of many islands including Britain and Ireland whom 'believed' in sunken kingdom's as well though most could simply be folk story's of an ancient tsunami type event.

Gotta say, as far as "crackpot" Atlantis stuff goes, this is curiously compelling at face value ... it may well fall apart with detailed scrutiny, but neat-o. I've seen that formation before and it never occurred to me, being at the edge of the Sahara, heh.

As far as a catastrophism (and perhaps some Lamarkism and/or interventionist theory thrown in) and a longer, lost history for humanity? I lean to "yup," but am familiar with most of the reasons for snickers.

According to Plato, the circular structures around the city of Atlantis were connected to the ocean by a canal dug only 50 stadia to the sea.

Now, show me where this weathered dome has ever been 50 stadia from the sea.

Harte