A drug called 'monkey dust' which causes people to eat faces and jump from buildings is spreading

a reply to: markojo

That does not mean you are not a junkie through, just one of the socially acceptable variety.

Same could be said for those that can afford to purchase Alchohol and Tobacco products.

We are designed or at least capable of ingesting/smoking weed, hence we possess an endocannabinoid system.

End of the day everything in moderation seems to apply, obviously some acceptions also apply.

originally posted by: andy06shake
End of the day everything in moderation seems to apply, obviously some acceptions also apply.

Agreed again.
I don't use ethanol at all anymore, and I notice immediately the change in people who do after a few drinks. The same jokes repeated, and conversations which would not be funny without those drinks down their necks first
This cuts across all sections of socio/economic demographics.
The middle income/millionaire friends I have who look down at a cannabis user while getting drunk on their champagne are the biggest hypocrites, and yes I'll call them out every time I hear such nonsense that they use ethanol products for the taste alone.
Absolute bull#.
...but society continues in its denial that ethanol use is not recreational drug use. The overwhelming majority use it for the effects, not the taste of the product, but they'll carry on deluding themselves all the same.

I drink fizzy orange when I'm out, and yes, I drink it for the taste alone lol

I totally agree with you. Temperence is the word that should spring to mind.

Ban them all or legalise them all. Either way, provide educataion that will allow people to make an informed choice The damage caused by legal drugs is way more significant in socio-economic terms, than that caused by illegal ones.

a reply to: andy06shake

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Tend to agree with you as if i drink Vodka i can become an aggressive arse without even realizing it, and hence the reason that i seldom partake with spirits.

Not just me but most people also display such tendency, it's especially noticeable if the observer is of the sober variety, people change big time on alcohol just down to the fact that is a depressant of sorts.

Then again i come from a nation that coined the phrase/renamed Buckfast "A bottle of what you looking at". LoL

Alchohol is one of the worst drugs available if truth be told.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Alchohol is one of the worst drugs available if truth be told.

Yes, and I can legally buy it 24hrs a day within a few minutes walk from my house. You really couldn't make up a more sillier legislative system of recreational drug control in the UK.

I personally have no problem with adults choosing to use any mind altering substance, so long as they cause no loss, harm or distress to another person.
I do have a problem with ethanol users who deny that they are equally recreational drug users, same as someone who enjoys a smoke with their friends.
This snobbish attitude is what I challenge every time, but with a society so far gone in denial it often falls on deaf ears lol

Aye, until you have to turf out an old mate for their incessant drink related antics, it's just 'going for a pint.' One of the biggest problems I've seen, is that the organisations and the youth services that used to filter out all but the heady of headonists in this country (UK) are not only strapped for cash, they've have been disbanded. It's not a problem that is going to just disappear. What could possibly go wrong?

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

a reply to: markojo

...turf out an old mate...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Cut ties with
Stop socialising with
Ask to leave your home
'Turf out'

...and I agree with marcojo, I've had far more negative experiences with people who are using ethanol, than any other drug. If it was invented now it could only be designated a Class A status due to the damaging effects it has on society.
350,000 hospital admissions per year (UK) directly as a result of alcohol, 9000 deaths solely due to alcohol, never mind the 600,000 alcohol related crimes per year which The Crime Survey for England and Wales estimate, yep, it is a dangerous recreational drug. Strange how so many ethanol users criticise people who use other drugs for recreational purposes, drugs which do not harm society to the extent ethanol does.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Can't get alcohol down my neck of the woods past 10 pm, or until 12 pm on a Sunday without pulling teeth.

And down to Sturgeon's bull crap, it's also significantly more expensive now in Scotland.

Want to see the SNP fall on their arse? Raising the price of alcohol will do it, its almost a given. LoL

Because degenerate alcoholics with the associated problems that go hand in hand with there condition might not vote much but white middle-class citizens that consume copious amounts of Wine/Whiskey/Vodka sure do.

AKA the very snobs of which you speak funnily enough, and they don't take to kindly to their pennies being pinched.

a reply to: andy06shake
I was actually saddened when I heard the news about the alcohol duty charge in Scotland.
I worry for the people who are already addicted. They will not reduce their alcohol intake, they will simply spend less money on food or whatever.
I think the strategy will backfire and result in more health issues for alcoholics who eat less food than they probably already do.
Either that, or smuggled booze from England is going to be the next big black market industry...and less money going into the Scottish economy. It seems to me that Sturgeon didn't really think things through to be honest.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Thanks, I had no idea what that meant.

Learned something. Can you explain the origin of the expression? Is it like a blight in your yard that you put grass (turf) over to make it go away, or something like that?

ETA - Oh and BTW, I take it you're not a big fan of alcohol, right? Not sure what ever might have given me this idea, but just seems that way I guess.

It’s not the alcohol that causes people to be menaces, it’s the inner emotional work they haven’t done that gets exposed when the solvent of ethanol removes their filter.

I make beer, wine, mead, spirits, etc and never had an issue. But then again I wouldn’t give any to someone who was wound tight like most people who follow politics too closely.



a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
I didn't know, but found this and it seems legit:

“To turf” has been used to mean ‘to dig up or excavate for turf or peat for burning’ since the 18th century, and you can ‘turf out’ a pit. The Oxford English Dictionary first records the sense ‘throw or kick (a person, etc.) forcibly out’ in a Kipling story of 1888. So I suppose the image here is of a workman slinging spadefuls of peat out of a pit, landing with a dull thud.

...and ethanol, no, it is just a dangerous recreational drug which should be seen as such, and not considered anything other than that. Users cause far more problems in UK society than any other drug, from hospital admissions, to deaths, crime, and violence.
I just like to remind people who use it that they are recreational drug users, and weirdly their choice of drug is legal.

Appears similar to flakka.Perhaps this new drug is from china? This is why I avoid chinese goods as much as possible..

I have heard rumors that these type of drugs are distributed by law enforcement to inrease demand for there services.

a reply to: jetfiremaverick

Think that's was the premise of a few episodes of "Person of Interest".

Police have and always will be involved in the distribution of drugs, same with customs officials, politicians, and alphabet agencies, else how they manage to land on our shores is beyond me, considering our respective nations distinct lack of Poppy and Coca plantations.

video of former narcotics detective outing evil cia anmd evil lapd distributing narcotics..

a reply to: andy06shake

it's absolutely mental that we still classify the safest drugs as illegal and dangerous yet allow these synthetic analogues of other class A street drugs to be legal which are highly dangerous.

the establishment doesnt like "medicine" unless they invented or patented it !

hence why the mushrooms , the vines and the maryjane are all highly illegal , and because if we were all taking those safe yet illegal drugs, we wouldnt give a flying monkeys about systems of power, governments, authority!
we'd all realise its absolutely pointless in the grand scheme of things!

who needs to care about who to vote for , when you realise you are stoned ape , flying on a giant living rock through space being kept alive by a giant ball of plasma and radiation, like it really #ing matters who to vote for , or taxes to pay , or if your shares are doing well!

a reply to: sapien82
The law is all over the place regarding drugs mate.
Take Poppers for example (Amyl Nitrate)

The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs noted in 2011 that poppers, rather than being psychoactive substance or 'legal high', "appear to fall within the scope of The Intoxicating Substances (Supply) Act 1985".

In March 2016, the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs stated that, because alkyl nitrites do not directly stimulate or depress the central nervous system, poppers do not fall within the scope of the Psychoactive Substances Act 2016.

Whereas:

Alcohol, like sedatives and tranquilizers, actually slows down activity in the central nervous system. To be more specific, it slows down the activity in the GABA receptors of our brains. The slowing of these systems is responsible for the relaxing quality produced by alcohol. The slowing of the central nervous system is also responsible for the lowered reaction time and dissociation.

So, a drug which directly affects the central nervous system (alcohol) is for some reason exempt from the Psychoactive Substances Act 2016, even though it fits all the criteria.
You couldn't make it up, honestly.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

aye because you ban alcohol then folk really take matters into their own hands !

Honestly laws , really need a kick up the arse , our whole way of looking at things is very wrong !

we have basically took a huge steaming stinking #e on all the collective plant knowledge our species "HAD"
in our minds

we have abandoned the forest and worship the silicone !

You cant even "opt out" of this # show , because as soon as you abandon society , you are some how "illegal"

I never asked for a passport, or a citizenship , I dont want to pay taxes to a system of greed and corruption
yet somehow the very fabric of our being is entwined in the roots of corruption !

there is no point in one of us turning our backs on this mess !
and trying to clean it up , we all need to say NO , and go do it the way it should be done !