School Shootings-----Possible Causation?

a reply to: JimNasium

Why not get EVERY kid a computer and let them do their schooling "On-Line"?

Based purely upon anecdotal evidence...............that's actually starting to happen! I live in a small west Texas town; so far in this school year a total of 6 kids have been pulled out of the school because of bullying and the parents either bought computers or let the kids use a computer at work or the kids use the computers at the public library to attend
virtual schools approved by the State for online education.

Could that work in the cities? I don't know.........but I don't know why not. Yea, there's the problem, "both parents work", but there are a lot of "house wives/house husbands" I've known that are already homeschooling and not always JUST their kids. The "networks" of homeschoolers is growing pretty fast!

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: JimNasium

Why not get EVERY kid a computer and let them do their schooling "On-Line"?

Based purely upon anecdotal evidence...............that's actually starting to happen! I live in a small west Texas town; so far in this school year a total of 6 kids have been pulled out of the school because of bullying and the parents either bought computers or let the kids use a computer at work or the kids use the computers at the public library to attend
virtual schools approved by the State for online education.

Could that work in the cities? I don't know.........but I don't know why not. Yea, there's the problem, "both parents work", but there are a lot of "house wives/house husbands" I've known that are already homeschooling and not always JUST their kids. The "networks" of homeschoolers is growing pretty fast!

I am not against it, but I sure know who is! The teachers Union. Project Veritas is SLAMMING the teachers union in Michigan and NJ right now with video of the union reps siding with teachers who committed crimes sexually and violently against students........

a reply to: TonyS

My son is in PRE-K at the elementary school and he is TESTED! I find it ridiculous. He starts kindergarten in August and they do this new staggered start thing, which I hate. They do it so they can test them before school starts! It is so stupid if you ask me. I mean what do Pre-k and Kindergartners need to be tested for!? The teachers find it crazy as well. He gets one recess a day and that is it. He has school from 8am-2pm and has after care until 4pm.

Personally I think this country has gone crazy with all the darn testing! It shows nothing. I know I was a terrible test taker in school but I still had good grades, tests I hated. The good thing is in about 2 years we will be in Holland where I absolutely love their education system. From everything my significant other has told me and from what i have red. It will be so much better! I honestly dread my son being in our current education system.

a reply to: seeker1963

I saw a post on ATS last year to the effect that there aren't any Teachers Unions in Texas. I don't know if that's true or not. But, yea..........the Unions are a huge part of the problem. Hilarious story out of Detroit about 10 years ago. They had teachers for almost every class room.......problem was that because of population drop in Detroit, they only had about 1 kid for every classroom. Solution........(for a while anyway), they bussed the kids from school to school during the day to justify keeping them open.

Fook public school.
It is a hell-hole.
It was an act of will to not commit suicide.
Dip# teachers and counselers and ass-paddling prince-a-pals.
I was more intelligent than all of those fookers put together.
It was a years long torture session.
I still stand, while they wither.
And you know what?
I still have a sense of of humor.

a reply to: mblahnikluver

Just an FYI, the "Tests" are "sold" to the Public School systems and force-incorporated into the curricula as performance measurement methods.

In other words...............its a Business Model! (and a very profitable one at that!) And who writes the tests? Well, of course, the companies hire former teachers!

Change the system? How about abolish it?
It was founded with the idea of making better worker drones.
Smart enough to run the machines but dumb enough to never question why.
They've become state indoctrination centers and precious little "educating" gets accomplished.
Let states run their own schools, hours, curricula and requirements.
There's no reason for a Federal mandate over everything.

Sex and sexual frustration may be another reason.

Sure when we were growing up we could find a skinny mag in a hidden drawer, or borrow it from a friend and so on, but now it is everywhere. Every child has a phone, a tablet, laptop etc...

They have full access to sex all the time, are inundated by it by every single hip-hop , rap or whatever other artist; they think it, they hear about it, they watch it, they talk about it at school... however, they are too young, they still have no real access to it in middle school.

I believe a lot of what is happening is probably stemming from this, an over-sexualized society that is at the same time puritanical... that has to mess with some young minds, there's no way around it.

a reply to: mblahnikluver

Our current education system is complete trash

20 years of education and people graduate with no skills cant buy a house dont know how to invest can't find a good job and have a lifetome of debt

Totally totally fricken pointless

Interesting theory, problem is Japan has an insanely tough school system, tons of pressure on kids, heavier workload than American schools, and those kids aren't going on mass shooting sprees.

a reply to: Painterz

Maybe thats why they arent having kids

If kids are spending more time than ever in schools, then why are they increasingly illiterate and can't execute simple math?

originally posted by: MysticPearl
If kids are spending more time than ever in schools, then why are they increasingly illiterate and can't execute simple math?

Excellent question... I believe the answer to be: Because an uneducated society is a docile society.

That is why it's allowed for people who have very little experience with it, to be in charge of it.

a reply to: TonyS

Fully agreed that kids these days are in school and have to do homework for a way too much percentage of the day. I can only surmise that it is to condition them to be ready for 10 to 12+ hour work days which theyll inevitably have to work, in this new economic state and state of the cost of living.

Very harsh on the psyche and totally unnecessary. Id rather live in a mildly productive (as in production of goods for profit), resource conservative, happier world, than a world filled with over consumption, greed, contant unnecessary work, over production, and angry people.

A very good thread and relevant comments here.

I think another probable factor in the equation is the influence of daylight savings time, now up to 8 months out of 12.

One of the ramifications of DST is that for several of those 8 months the circadian rhythms and sleep patterns are interrupted because they must wake up and go to school at unnatural hours--before the sun rises. In my area in the last 5 years or so 2 children were killed by automobiles in the early hours before daylight.

Children and drivers still asleep combine to bring horrible accidents.

Also the children need sleep more than the adults do, and so this policy interferes with their normal development.

originally posted by: TonyS
So, just this morning I tripped through Zero Hedge and found this rather timely story. The author opines to the effect that a significant causation factor behind the school shootings is the tortuous conditions that have come to exist in compulsory public education. See:
www.zerohedge.com...

One factor cited is simply the fact that kids today are required to spend so many more hours a day and so many more days a year in the schools where they face endless testing.

For young children ages six to eight, schooling increased from an average of five hours a day in 1981-82 to an average of seven hours a day in 2002-03. And for today’s teens, schooling consumes much more of their time than it did for previous generations, seeping into summertime and other historically school-free periods.

Another factor cited is that by keeping the kids in school longer, segregated from the rest of society, they don't have time to work odd jobs or otherwise participate in the wider society on a regular basis.

As Business Insider reports: “Almost 60% of teens in 1979 had a job, compared to 34% in 2015.” Spending more time in the contrived reality of forced schooling and less time in authentic, multi-age, productive communities may be taking its toll on today’s youth.

Finally, the author cites the toll the compulsory education system takes on the kids mental health as they are forced to endure for ever longer in an increasingly oppressive environment.

New findings from researchers at Vanderbilt University show a disturbing correlation between time in school and suicidal thoughts and attempts by young people, which have been increasing over the past decade. Whereas most adults see suicide spikes in July and August, most kids see suicide dips in summer. Children’s suicidal tendencies appear strongest during the school year.

I think this says it best:

Boston College psychology professor Dr. Peter Gray believes that increasingly oppressive schooling is leading to serious psychological damage in some children. He writes on his blog at Psychology Today: Children now often spend more time at school and at homework than their parents spend at their full-time jobs, and the work of schooling is often more burdensome and stress-inducing than that of a typical adult job. A century ago we came to the conclusion that full-time child labor was child abuse, so we outlawed it; but now school is the equivalent of full-time child labor. The increased time, tedium, and stress of schooling is bringing many kids to the breaking point or beyond, and more and more people are becoming aware of that. It can no longer be believed that schooling is a benign experience for children. The evidence that it induces pathology is overwhelming.”

One unintended result of the recent school shootings?

After February’s school shooting in Parkland, Florida, the Miami Heraldreported that more parents were considering the homeschooling option. And after Friday’s disturbing school shooting in Santa Fe, Texas, a local ABC news affiliate in Alabama reported the increasing appeal of homeschooling.

For my part, I'd far rather see the property tax money stolen from every year to pay for the areas failing public compulsory school systems go to assisting those who want to, to pursue homeschooling. And with the broad array of Internet Schooling Curricula available online, that is becoming ever easier to do.

Maybe its time for some real change in this system. Everyone knows its one of the largest money sucking debacles in the US today.

Except School shootings have been happening in America since before America was technically even a country.

a reply to: TonyS

its the society. the hypocrisy. the prudery. number 1 in loving jesus and number 1 in making hardcore pornos. the kids are lost in this chaos.

would you like to send
our coloured cousins
home again my friend
all you need to do is follow the worms.

a reply to: TonyS

funny you should bring this up, well not really funy but reminded me of this song long time ago



and here he explains why

Most Kids these days have absolutely zero social skills thanks to social media, video games and straight up laziness. They don't go out and play at the park with the neighborhood kids because parents are overprotective because of gangs, drugs, pervs etc etc the kids end up becoming weirdos for lack of a better term and end up as helpless adults who need tinder to find a date.

Pleasantly surprised and, I must admit, a little shocked.
No one is blaming the inanimate object.