Stormy Daniels' lawyer: Cohen was paid $500K by Putin-tied company after election

a reply to: Grambler

Bill meets in secret with Putin, and the a week later gets a half a million dollar payment for a rissian bank, and its perfectly innocent, no need to investigate.

Sorry. I was pointing out that the circumstances weren't that similar to Cohen (a stipulation of yours) and that we don't know much about what Cohen is suspected of doing.

By all means, investigate the Clintons.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Grambler
Would you like to see an investigation of equal veracity to anyone in similar circumstances connected to a politician who recieved half a million dollars from russians?

The now former AG of New York state didnt require the Clinton foundation to report foreign donors.

The irony..

Notice not one person on here saying this is evidence of a crime has had the nerve to say the same would have been true for Bill clinton.

They just pathetically ignore it.

ATS needs some new blood. We can look at the username of the last person to post and pretty much guess what he/she is going to say. Myself included, lol.

a reply to: TheLead

So you dont think this was info was placed in the headlines to suggest collusion?

If so, it missed the mark as far as I'm concerned. Sounds like money laundering would be a more likely suggestion.

Why would her lawyer have this information if it's an ongoing investigation? Surely the FBI raided his office for a CRIMINAL investigation why would a civil lawyer be privied anything?

Not sure. Discovery perhaps.

a reply to: Phage

Lets look at the U1 situation which you dont think is a big deal and the Cohen situation here which you support an investigation and see how they stack up.

U1:

We know that people backing russias interest gave the clinton foundation millions. We also no a few of those people were convicted of crimes surrounding this.

we know that Hillarys department as Sos had to sign off on the deal to get it through.

We are told that an FBI informant had evidence of Russians with brief cases of cash that were said to be going to bribe US officials.

We know that Bill met personally with Putin in secret around the time of the approval for the deal.

SWe know that right after that meeting, Bill got half a million from a russian state bank.

we know Hillary department ended up voting in the way russia wanted, and gave control of uranium rights to russia.

COHEN

It is alleged at this point he took half a million from a US Company.

It is alleged that this company is owned by a russian oligarch.

We know that Trump has sanctioned this specific oligarch.

It is inferred that this payment perhaps had something to do with Trump paying off a porn star.

So in almost every area, the situation is worse in U1.

We know convicted criminals were attempting bribes in U1, nothing like that is known with cohen.

We know that Bill met personally with Putin and got money from a state owned bank, where with cohen its an american company that may be owned by a russian oligarch.

In the U1 situation, Hillarys dept. ended up voting the way russia wanted; in the cohen situation Trump sanctioned the oligarch in question.

And finally, the cohen situation may have went to paying a porn star, wheras U1 was giving control of Uranium to russia.

Continued below.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Kharron

Ok so I will ask again.

Someone close to a politician recieving half a million from russians is treason.

Thats the standard, right?

And what is the penalty for treason?

Are we now calling for the execution of anyone close to a politician that receives large sums of money from russians?

I just want to get you on the record.

On the record for what?

What did I state that wasn't clear?

I asked how Stormy's lawyer knew about this stuff and then I said if it's true what's being stated is treason. Taking money in form of four structured payments in order to avoid raising flags, from a foreign entity while running for office.

IF it's true than it's treason.

And if it's treason he should be held accountable for it.

I thought it was pretty clear the first time. Oh well.

What's your stance on it, Grambler? If he took these payments from a foreign oligarch and it shows the payments were made and hidden until now. Should he go to prison?

a reply to: Phage

Now lets look at how the investigations into Cohen and u1 differed.

U1:

No special counsel. No Pen registries on Bill clintons phone calls. No raids of his home or office. I dont even believe Bill was questioned about this.

In addition, the U1 investigation (hilariously by Mueller) attempted to silence an informant that have evidence of crimes and bribes around it, and never really questioned Hillary or bill on all of the payments they recieved to their foundation.

And the New York AG (big clinton supporter by the way) even determined that the clinton foundation did not need to disclose their foreign donors.

COHEN:

Also led by Mueller

Investigated oligrarchs that are accused. Worked with New York office to get pen registries on Cohen. that office had cohens offcie raided.



So depsite the U! deal being far more serious in almost every way, and despite mueller leading the invetsigation ( or having a crucial part) in both, they way they are being handled is almsot directly opposite of that.

Those Russians are cheap. Only 500k? Geez, Bill Clinton paid 850k to Paula Jones to keep her yap shut.

Either Stormy Daniel's attorney is LYING, or he's breaking the law by revealing details from an ongoing investigation.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, now President Donald Trump's personal attorney, said he doubted the veracity of a new report which detailed some questionable financial dealings of Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime personal attorney.

The report alleged that Cohen received a $500,000 payment from a Russian oligarch after the 2016 US presidential election.

The report was compiled by Michael Avenatti, the attorney representing adult-film film actress Stormy Daniels.

Giuliani took a jab at Avenatti's credibility, calling him "a pretty unsuccessful lawyer."

Source: www.businessinsider.in... r/articleshow/64087958.cms

originally posted by: Kharron




What's your stance on it, Grambler? If he took these payments from a foreign oligarch and it shows the payments were made and hidden until now. Should he go to prison?

I made my stance clear, I want this investigated. I just wish that all instances of getting shady payments from russians would be investiagted with the same effrot; and that clearly is not the case.

Much like failing to register as a foreign lobbyist or lying to the fbi, we see both hillary and trump people doing this, and in all cases that trump people are charged or heaviliy investigated, and the hillary people are let go.

As far as this being treason, that is laughable. If anything its campaign finance violations; hardly worthy of a possible death penalty.

Now taking money to potentially sway a decision on giving the rights to nuclear material to russia; that may be treason.

Yet no raids on lawyers offices for the clintons., no pen registries on phone calls.

Its clear this isnt about justice for the investigators like Mueller and many of the antui trumpers, its about excusing democrat crimes and getting trump by any means necessary.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: theantediluvian

Trumps a BILLIONAIRE

why would he need RUSSIA to pay off his romp with a hooker 10yrs in the past?

Do you smell that?

Its more Ante-delivered manure

If you're going to insult me, at least do me the courtesy of reading the OP before you do. I didn't say that the money in any way shape or form went to Trump and in fact, I said right in the OP that I was speculating that it was money Cohen was paid for what amounts to peddling influence.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I never said the money went to Trump, its clear its insinuated that the money was used to pay off Stormy.

Which is a laughing joke because Trumps a Billionaire

Sorry, I'm just over your's and a number of other posters blatant attempts at pushing a false narrative.

Your sources are always questionable, your the poster child for CNN and it grinds my gears.

I know Trumps not perfect, but the alternative to him was miles worse

Sometimes I think we need a dictatorship so we can hang all the traitors and propagandists.. then return to a Republic so it can be run how it was meant to be run... wishful thinking right

carry on

a reply to: Grambler

we know Hillary department ended up voting in the way russia wanted, and gave control of uranium rights to russia.

Clarification. We know that a russian company sought to acquire a 51% interest in a company which held 20% of uranium production capacity in the United States.

Clarification: The State Department was one member of a committee of nine which approved the transaction. There is no indication that Clinton had anything to do with the CFIUS approval. The deal also required permits from the NRC.

Followup: Uranium One sells the uranium which it produces to US power plants, part of the total small amount purchased from domestic producers (about 11%). Uranium One now produces 11% of the uranium produced in the US. Control? Not so much.



In any case, I disagree that there is a similarity between the Clintons and Cohen. But go ahead investigate them. Will you accept the results?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: theantediluvian



Why does a porn star's lawyer know what's going on with the Mueller investigation?

Is he on Mueller's team now?


And did the lawyer have any other clients other than Trump?

This really has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. Cohen is being investigated by the FBI following Mueller handing off information to the US Attorney for SDNY. That's the investigation that led to the raid, pen register, etc.

As far as the information goes, Stormy Daniels is suing Donald Trump. Avanetti is her attorney and he's the one presenting the information. I suspect he subpoenaed the bank records but it doesn't say. I'm also not sure what the laws are regarding him publishing Cohen's bank records but I assume he does.

As for Cohen's clients, he's been working exclusively for Trump/Trump org for years but apparently in 2017, he picked up some clients but the only three that he'd done enough work for that he named to the court were Trump, Eliott Broidy and Hannity. Hannity of course made it sound like they might have had a conversation once and that Cohen hadn't represented him.

The Broidy thing was just him arranging a pay off to a playmate.

a reply to: Phage

Yes none of your clarifications show what I said was incorrect.

Indeed we didnt give away the rights to all of the US uranium.

But giving the right to any of it to an enemy such as russia seems terrible, especially if bribes and crimes were being committed around the deal.

And yes, nine agencies needed to sign off. But had hillary voted no, I dont believe the deal could have gone thru.

Compare that to the cohen situation, where tru p actually sanctioned the oligarch in question, and we can see that there is mmore of a reason to question rather the money Bill got was a bribe than cohen seeing as how trump did the opposite of what the oligarch would have wanted.

Again, in all instances, the U1 deal and gthe payments to Bill especially seem much more worthy of investigation, and yet Mueller decided to go after cohen much harder.

a reply to: theantediluvian

This really has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. Cohen is being investigated by the FBI following Mueller handing off information to the US Attorney for SDNY. That's the investigation that led to the raid, pen register, etc.

The line is being drawn from Mueller because of the supposed financial records that should, by all current information, not be public.

"Stormy Daniels’s attorney Michael Avenatti said"

Where is he getting his info from, this information is more than this lawyer could dig up. He is a front for some group or person. Maybe someone should investigate who is giving him money and info.

Unless I see some path, I won't even listen to that suit chaser. They make their money by deception.

If his information is real, where is he getting it, I wonder if he is working with the Russians to disrupt our countries government.

a reply to: Grambler

But giving the right to any of it to an enemy such as russia seems terrible, especially if bribes and crimes were being committed around the deal.

Production capability. Uranium One got the capability to produce (at the time) 20% of the uranium produced in the US, and to sell it to US power companies. I'm not sure that they ever did produce that much. It is your assumption there were bribes and crimes involved.

But had hillary voted no, I dont believe the deal could have gone thru.

Incorrect. Only the President could have stopped it, based on the disapproval of even a single member of CFIUS.

Compare that to the cohen situation, where tru p actually sanctioned the oligarch in question, and we can see that there is mmore of a reason to question rather the money Bill got was a bribe than cohen seeing as how trump did the opposite of what the oligarch would have wanted.

I suppose all of the CFIUS members were bribed, and the president as well. And the NRC.

Again, in all instances, the U1 deal and gthe payments to Bill especially seem much more worthy of investigation, and yet Mueller decided to go after cohen much harder.

Mueller isn't going after Cohen.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: Kharron




What's your stance on it, Grambler? If he took these payments from a foreign oligarch and it shows the payments were made and hidden until now. Should he go to prison?

I made my stance clear, I want this investigated. I just wish that all instances of getting shady payments from russians would be investiagted with the same effrot; and that clearly is not the case.

Much like failing to register as a foreign lobbyist or lying to the fbi, we see both hillary and trump people doing this, and in all cases that trump people are charged or heaviliy investigated, and the hillary people are let go.

As far as this being treason, that is laughable. If anything its campaign finance violations; hardly worthy of a possible death penalty.

Now taking money to potentially sway a decision on giving the rights to nuclear material to russia; that may be treason.

Yet no raids on lawyers offices for the clintons., no pen registries on phone calls.

Its clear this isnt about justice for the investigators like Mueller and many of the antui trumpers, its about excusing democrat crimes and getting trump by any means necessary.

I'm not an attorney, but like you I want this investigated. If it is found he has been lying to everyone all this time, his supporters, the law enforcement agencies, the media... all of us... then he needs to be held accountable.

As I said, I am no attorney, so I do not know what constitutes a campaign finance violation. However, I always thought taking money from a foreign government or entity in order to trick your own country was treason. I don't think in this day and age we're going to kill a president for it, but a prison sentence should not be off the table, right?

Why do you think this is just a finance violation and not treason, considering a foreign government is involved?


p.s. be back in a couple of hours.

edit: at the very least we know lying is an impeachable offense. Clinton almost got impeached not for having a girl go down on him but for lying about it. We should hold presidents to the same standard.

A little digging...

Mother Jones reported in a story dated August 17, 2017, that Andrew intrater, CEO of Columbus Nova, gave $285,000 to Trump's inauguration fund. In that article, they mention this:

Intrater is the CEO of Columbus Nova, the lone American subsidiary of Renova Group, a giant holding company owned by oligarch Viktor Vekselberg with interests in the metals, mining, chemical, construction, transport, energy, telecommunication, and financial sectors in Russia and abroad.

The Columbus Nova main page lists two principles: Andrew Intrater and Jason Epstein. If you click on the last link, you'll notice that Epstein's page comes up as a 404, file not found.

Wikipedia has a small page on Columbus Nova. It states

Columbus Nova is an investment company founded in 2000 and centered in New York City. As of 2015, its key people are CEO Andrew Intrater, and former Senior Managing Partner Jason Epstein. Exactly when Epstein departed the company is unclear.

Wikipedia does not indicate on that page that Columbus Nova is a subsidiary of the Renova Group. However, it also has a page on the Renova Group, which is owned by Russian power broker Viktor Vekselberg. Interestingly, his page includes this little notation:

In April 2018, the United States imposed sanctions on him and 23 other Russian nationals.

I believe that would be Trump's doings...

The Renova Group's page lists Columbus Nova as a "Management Company" rather than "Directly Controlled." I am not 100% sure what the difference is, but it would seem to be strictly a financial instead of a management control structure. In other words, Renova Group may own part of Columbus Nova, but would not exercise control over it (if I am right about the terminology here). I find it a tad strange that the linking does not work both ways; that also seems to indicate only a partial interest, as in Renova Group owns some stick in Columbus Nova. Of course, Octo Telematics shows as a "Direct Control" company but also has no mention of ties to Renova Group. So I could be wrong about the difference.

Wikipedia also links back the Renova Group's English webpage... which comes up with an "under construction" message.

I also found the web page for Colunbus Nova MB which appears to be a more active company. Andrew Intrater shows as a "Partner," along with Amos Beason and Lon Brown. I find this interesting:

Corporate, real estate and financial advisory services for established companies, entrepreneurs, financial sponsors, and institutional investors.

Cohen has been described many times as a very talented real estate advisor, and it is quite likely that he did some real estate consulting work for Columbus Nova MB. Such relationships are not uncommon; when I opened my company in 1987, the first two years were mainly doing "overflow" work from a contact I had who was also running a similar company. It is often cheaper and a lot less headaches to just farm out excess workload.

My conclusion based only on evidence obtained thus far: Renova Group may indeed be a lobbying firm used by the Kremlin to spread influence through capital, but it does not appear as though Columbus Nova is deeply involved. It is more likely just an investment vehicle to generate income. Columbus Nova MB would appear to be the active branch of the company, and they deal with, among other things, the exact thing Michael Cohen is known for. The payment, assuming it exists, likely was a legitimate business income from services performed.

In other words, even ignoring the illegalities and improbabilities so far in this story (of which there are many), there is no evidence I see that Cohen did anything improper in dealings with Columbus Nova.

TheRedneck

I'd be all for this investigation if it wasn't a partisan hit job

if they went after every politician like this I would totally for it