Stormy Daniels' lawyer: Cohen was paid $500K by Putin-tied company after election

a reply to: theantediluvian

The Wikipedia page for Columbus Nova has been changed to show Intrater as the owner. It used to say that the owner was Veklesberg and that it was a subsidiary of Renova Group.

The link you posted, which I am grateful for, does not show Veklesberg as the owner. It shows Jason Epstein and Paul Lipari as partners. It says Columbus Nova is an affiliate of the Renova Group, which does not necessarily mean the owner is Veklesberg; it indicates the Renova Group, which is owned by Veklesberg, had a financial stake in Columbus Nova.

I would have found it myself, but my time machine has a bent flux compensation guide and the new one is back ordered.

Their website has issues but you should be able to pull up the profile page for Andrew intrater

I linked that back on page 7. Sorry if I'm moving a little fast for you.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Grambler

The U1 deal and Bills payment was more disturbing in very way, which no one has addressed, they just say well there were little thing like the convictions weren't about bribery.

I outlined it clearly.

The fatal flaw here is that Clinton didn't cast a vote. She didn't even go to the CFIUS meetings regarding the acquisition. Like others commonly do, she delegated that to Jose Fernandez, the Assistant Secretary of State for Business and Economic Affairs.

He's stated on multiple occasions that Clinton was not involved in his vote at all.

a reply to: theantediluvian

He's stated on multiple occasions that Clinton was not involved in his vote at all.

Translation into English:

"Hillary ordered me to say she was not involved in my vote at all."

(Just thought since others have been jumping to partisan assumptions, I would too. I want to fit in.)

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: theantediluvian

The Wikipedia page for Columbus Nova has been changed to show Intrater as the owner. It used to say that the owner was Veklesberg and that it was a subsidiary of Renova Group.

The link you posted, which I am grateful for, does not show Veklesberg as the owner. It shows Jason Epstein and Paul Lipari as partners. It says Columbus Nova is an affiliate of the Renova Group, which does not necessarily mean the owner is Veklesberg; it indicates the Renova Group, which is owned by Veklesberg, had a financial stake in Columbus Nova.

I would have found it myself, but my time machine has a bent flux compensation guide and the new one is back ordered.

Their website has issues but you should be able to pull up the profile page for Andrew intrater

I linked that back on page 7. Sorry if I'm moving a little fast for you.

TheRedneck

This is from the wayback machine of Renova's own site:

The Renova Group of companies includes private equity funds and management companies operating in the energy sector (the T Plus Group, Hevel), transport (the Airports of the Regions Holding), housing and communal services (Russian Communal Systems) real estate (GC KORTROS), portfolio investments (Columbus Nova), telecommunications (Acado Group), chemistry (Orgsintez Group) and precious metals (Kamchatka Gold).

www.renova.ru:80..." target="_blank" class="postlink">Link

It appears the website is now "under construction".

That is from Oct of 2017. After all of this supposedly took place.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Grambler

The U1 deal and Bills payment was more disturbing in very way, which no one has addressed, they just say well there were little thing like the convictions weren't about bribery.

I outlined it clearly.

The fatal flaw here is that Clinton didn't cast a vote. She didn't even go to the CFIUS meetings regarding the acquisition. Like others commonly do, she delegated that to Jose Fernandez, the Assistant Secretary of State for Business and Economic Affairs.

He's stated on multiple occasions that Clinton was not involved in his vote at all.

As the redneck says above, as if that’s not what he would say.

But ok, let’s assume you are right.

That is just one small part of the story I outlined as to why the u1 deal is much more in need of a harsh investigation, like raiding offices, pen registries and the other things we see happening to Cohen.

I would characterize this part as “what happened as a result of the money given”

If you are right, in the u1 case, we see Hillary stayed neutral, neither hurting nor helping the Russian her husband got money from.

In the Cohen case, we see trump behaved in a NEGATIVE way toward the Russian, actually sanctioning him.

So again, even using your interpretation, this area is still worse in the u1 situation.

And that is just one small area

A little more info:

Renova Group is a Russian conglomerate with interests in aluminium, oil, energy, telecoms and a variety of other sectors. The main owner and president is Viktor Vekselberg who founded the company in 1990.[1] The Renova Group is primarily active in Russia, the C.I.S. states, Switzerland, South Africa and the United States. Its major assets include participation in the oil company TNK-BP and in aluminum producer RUSAL. In 2010 Renova Group entered into an agreement to provide funding for Fort Ross. It is parent company of Private equity firm Columbus Nova.

en.wikipedia.org...

A parent company is a company that owns enough voting stock in another firm to control management and operation by doing and influencing or electing its board of directors. The second company is deemed a subsidiary of the parent company.

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Kharron


Hillary Clinton did all those things you describe. And it was before 2017. Cohen needs to take a number and wait his turn.

And?

Who's talking about Hillary Clinton here? What do her crimes have to do with this crime?

Don't get me wrong, I despise that globalist... but let's not muddy the waters. If she were in office we'd be looking at impeaching her for her crimes, but she didn't.

Instead, we have another criminal to deal with. Let's focus on the immediate.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Kharron

No its not treason, no we dont have examples of it being an impeachable offense.

We know for example that Obama plead guilty to campaign finance violatations, and no one even mentioned impeachment for it.

This is not treason because paying off a porn star is not that serious of a crime.

Again, why would you not support an equal investigation into bill clinton getting paid by a russain bank.

Or if we are going to go with your interpretation of treason.

Why shouldnt hillarys team be investigated for treason for paying a foriegn agent to get dirt on trump from the kremlin, not disclosing that properly, and then lying about it for a year?

We absolutely have an example of lying being an impeachable offense, which is what I wrote.

Impeachment for lying

Why is everyone trying to deflect this and bringing up Hillary? Like that is going to change his crimes or vindicate him somehow.

And why isn't Hillary being investigated? I'm all for it. Someone promised an investigation and then failed to deliver on it... don't blame the rest of us for it, it's another one of Trump's lies.

Sounds like Putin lost a bet to Trump, who cares, the economy is kicking ass and a woman runs the CIA. Life is good.

a reply to: tonycodes

We are self destructive by nature... That’s why..

a reply to: introvert

I found it strange that of all the associated companies, only Columbus Nova was mentioned as a subsidiary, especially since it is not listed as companies under direct control. So I checked the edits. The mention of Columbus Nova was added September 18, 2016 by "BBMatBlood."

If the Renova Group owns controlling interest in Columbus Nova, why is it listed as only a "Management Company" and not under "Directly Controlled"?

Also interesting is that within the last our, the page on Columbus Nova was edited as well. The lines:

Columbus Nova is an investment company founded in 2000 and centered in New York City. As of 2015, its key people are CEO Andrew Intrater, and former Senior Managing Partner Jason Epstein. Exactly when Epstein departed the company is unclear.

have been changed to

Columbus Nova is an investment company founded in 2000 and centered in New York City. As of 2015, its key people are CEO Andrew Intrater. Exactly when Epstein departed the company is unclear.

Coincidence?

More info just found before I hit reply... since Vekselberg's and Renova Group's assets were frozen by Trump, Renova now does not own any stock in Columbus Nova. All companies he owned stock in have until June 5 of this year to sell those stocks and deposit the money into a frozen US account. This assets freeze happened April 6th... Stormy Daniels' (first) lawsuit was filed March 6 (just trying to get my head around the timeline).

There's no announcement I could find (yet) if the asset freeze applied to Columbus Nova. If it was a wholly-owned subsidiary, it would cause a complete shutdown and liquidation... if not, it would not affect Columbus Nova except for the stock owned by Vekselberg/Renova Group.

I guess that explains the Renova Group's website being down...

TheRedneck

If you did not know that Cohen has ties to Russia including the Russian mob by this point you are not doing your homework. Cab medallions and social club rentals.

WTF is wrong with doing international business? What, since Trump is in office now no one is allowed to have any type of deal overseas.

John Kerry trying to backdoor the current administrations is more important than this.

You also might want to look into her lawyer and the dirty deals and inquiries he has dealt with regarding real estate holdings.

What do you expect from a lawyer who is trying to extort money about something that his client has already said never happened.

A shame...a real f'n shame this is what our country has become and it is not Trumps fault. It is the state controlled media with 95% negative press and news. Real people know the truth and THIS is not it.

a reply to: Kharron

I say first crimes committed, should be punished first. If you keep focusing on current criminals, the available window for prosecuting crimes committed by the prior administration slowly closes. FIFO is the smart move.

a reply to: introvert

Here's a line to the Web Archive.
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Coincidence?

Probably not.

Web Archive link referred to above:
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More info just found before I hit reply... since Vekselberg's and Renova Group's assets were frozen by Trump, Renova now does not own any stock in Columbus Nova.

We're talking about 2017, aren't we? When were the sanctions levied?

a reply to: carewemust

I say first crimes committed, should be punished first.

I say gather evidence then go to trial before thinking about punishing.

I know, radical idea. Just, "lock her up." Skip the preliminaries.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Kharron

I say first crimes committed, should be punished first. If you keep focusing on current criminals, the available window for prosecuting crimes committed by the prior administration slowly closes. FIFO is the smart move.

I am so glad things don't work like that. Imagine getting your house burgled and calling for help, only to hear --

"I'm sorry, sir, but we had a burglary last week. We need to finish that before we can get to yours."

"But they'll be gone by then."

"I'm sorry, sir. First crime committed, first crime punished. Have a nice day."

What hell that would be.

a reply to: Grambler

As the redneck says above, as if that’s not what he would say.

But ok, let’s assume you are right.

Well think about it. If he wasn't the one who attended related meetings and cast the vote and he's publicly stated so, then the other people who attended those meetings and the vote are more or less lying to cover it up.

That is just one small part of the story I outlined as to why the u1 deal is much more in need of a harsh investigation, like raiding offices, pen registries and the other things we see happening to Cohen.

I've argued Uranium One to death. There's no actual evidence of anything criminal. What is a judge going to grant all these warrants based on? Also, the FBI has already done at least some preliminary investigation out of the NY office based on Clinton Cash. You remember that right? The super biased, super leaky, "they've gone rogue to save us from Clinton" NY office? They opened an investigation into Clinton during the election based on what amounts to oppo research paid for by Trump's greatest benefactor. They brought in the author, a Breitbart News editor, to consult.

What you want is blood. You want the FBI to investigate what you feel is a possible crime in exactly the same way they have approached Michael Cohen and none of us know what evidence on Cohen was turned over to the US Attorney, what additionally was uncovered before the warrants were applied for, etc. We don't even know what crimes Cohen is being investigated for.

I'm all for the FBI reopening the investigation but to assume that raids are a foregone conclusion for things to be somehow politically fair is a bit of a reach. Also, a pen register probably isn't applicable here just as wire tap wouldn't be since all this happened eight years ago which brings up yet another question — statutes of limitation.

In the Cohen case, we see trump behaved in a NEGATIVE way toward the Russian, actually sanctioning him.

You do realize that Putin hates Hillary's guts right? And you do know why that is? Meanwhile, the fact that Trump was basically forced into sanctions against Russia proves what? What else was he going to do? Congress compelled sanctions.

It's funny how quickly Trump supporters forget things like what Michael Flynn was lying about in the first place. He was literally on the phone Kislyak that Trump was going to take care of those pesky sanctions as soon as he was in office. Sanctions that were imposed for Russian interference in the election.

The Russian that was set to take the biggest hit from the latest sanctions was apparently Deripaska and conveniently, they made an exception for aluminum, sparing Rusal, Deripaska and while we're at it, Veklesberg (Renova is a major stakeholder in Rusal).

One of those things that doesn't really make a big splash in the chaotic news cycle and it's behind a paywall at WSJ.

a reply to: Grambler

Better question is why is Russia at every juncture of this campaign and administration? When has this ever been the case? Every closet has a Russian in it. Every bed has a Russian under it. (Or urinating on it) Russians calling, Russians visiting, visiting Russians, getting money from Russians, selling property for millions more than its worth to Russians, making deals with Russians, having secrets with Russians, back channels, secret meetings on tiny islands on the other side of the world, and praising and admiring the ruthless Russian leader.
But there's no collusion, no collusion it's a witch hunt.
Who knew there were so many witches in politics. At least on trumps team.
If this is a way that Russia was donating money to trump that's the smoking gun that is needed. Money changing hands.
Interesting turn of events.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Grambler

Better question is why is Russia at every juncture of this campaign and administration? When has this ever been the case? Every closet has a Russian in it. Every bed has a Russian under it. (Or urinating on it) Russians calling, Russians visiting, visiting Russians, getting money from Russians, selling property for millions more than its worth to Russians, making deals with Russians, having secrets with Russians, back channels, secret meetings on tiny islands on the other side of the world, and praising and admiring the ruthless Russian leader.
But there's no collusion, no collusion it's a witch hunt.
Who knew there were so many witches in politics. At least on trumps team.
If this is a way that Russia was donating money to trump that's the smoking gun that is needed. Money changing hands.
Interesting turn of events.

You really to go outside and get some fresh air. Bet you would see some Russians in your front yard if you did.