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The student who shot the video told local news outlets that he shot the video Jan. 19 during a government class at the Pico Rivera school. He told CBS2 Los Angeles that he took out his cellphone when Salcido started lecturing another student who was wearing a Marines sweatshirt. "I was very angry," the student said.
Yes he was.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: SlapMonkey
Just to be clear, there is a difference between complete freedom and chaos. Free speech and order can coexist.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Shamrock6
I know you like to pretend you have some insight into the inner workings of people's minds but, as usual, you're a tiny bit off base.
No, not "only because he said something I do not like."
I wasn't speaking about you personally. Poor choice of words on my part. My mistake. But I do know enough to question your commitment to free expression given your penchant for make excuses for the school firing him.
In the five-minute diatribe recorded by student Victor Quinonez, Salcido is heard using expletives about those who serve in the military and their intelligence.
...Quinonez said he was berated by Salcido for wearing a Marine Corps sweatshirt in class.
The video was shot by Victor Quiñonez, a 17-year-old senior.
Karen Rodriguez, Quiñonez's mother, told CNN that her son was wearing a Marine Corps sweatshirt that day. When he got up to turn in some work, Salcido asked him to explain why he was planning on joining the military after graduation.
Then he made the comments, and Victor started surreptitiously taping it when he got back to his desk, Rodriguez said.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If free speech means anything to you guys, the teacher should not have been fired for his rant.
Then clearly you have some sort of disconnect between reading something and comprehending it.
I have no problem with him expressing his opinions. I have a problem with the manner he chose to do so, and I don't believe an employer has a legal obligation to continue to employ somebody who's behavior they deem unprofessional.
You have the right to free speech. You have the right to be an asshole in the expression of that right. But that right doesn't confer an obligation on to your employer to allow you to be an asshole while they're paying you, nor does that right confer a responsibility on anybody else to not let you know you're an asshole. If that opinion somehow gets distorted enough to give you the impression that I don't support freedom of expression, then it's a failure to understand on your part rather than a failure to support on mine.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: projectvxn
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Shamrock6
He wasn't.
He was fired for being an asshole.
But only because he said something you do not like.
School policy. He violated it and brought disrepute to the institution.
Out of curiosity, which policy?
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If free speech means anything to you guys, the teacher should not have been fired for his rant.
What utter nonsensical horsesh*t (which is disappointing, because you usually make so much sense).
Maybe we care about the principal's or superintendent's right to express their opinion that his behavior was unacceptable as a teacher and to terminate his employment. He was there to do a job, not spout off his personal opinions and "shame" his students.
If you care about free speech AND have an understanding of the concept of contractual employment, you would understand that (a) he did not have to accept a job at a school (since there are court rulings saying that schools can limit free speech), and (b) if he feels that expressing his opinions is more important than the job for which he was hired, he can go find employment elsewhere, voluntarily or through force.
He chose the latter of the two options in "b," and now he understands that a culmination of piss-poor decisions can have negative consequences. Life lessons can suck, but they need to be learned--too bad he waited until adulthood to be taught this lesson.
I applaud the school for firing him, as was their right to do. As others have noted, he was certainly free to do what he did, but he was not free from the consequences thereafter.
originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
you don't seem to understand how subtle bullying usually is, it might seem all fun & games to others but that makes people on the opposing side feel like they are being mocked and are unable to respond because the social pressure the speaker creates with their words. this is exactly why school shootings happen, because people are careless with their words and actions. they forget how dangerous that kind of behavior truly is and treat serious things like childish games. laughter in such situations is called mockery.
all i saw with this teacher is a self-absorbed, self-righteous, judgmental ass face making an example out of one student to prove how right his opinions are and to dare any opposition to be spoken against his words so he can mock them too.
Professional misconduct for bullying and browbeating his captive audience.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: projectvxn
Professional misconduct for bullying and browbeating his captive audience.
If in your world the mere accusation of bullying and browbeating is enough for you to fire them, so be it.
There was a video, a review by the Board, and a decision made based on those standards as shown by the source article.
originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: DBCowboy
The teacher was/is an asshole and a bully.
Which is why he got fired.
This isn't a free speech issue. It's a professional standards issue.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Shamrock6
Then clearly you have some sort of disconnect between reading something and comprehending it.
I have no problem with him expressing his opinions. I have a problem with the manner he chose to do so, and I don't believe an employer has a legal obligation to continue to employ somebody who's behavior they deem unprofessional.
You have the right to free speech. You have the right to be an asshole in the expression of that right. But that right doesn't confer an obligation on to your employer to allow you to be an asshole while they're paying you, nor does that right confer a responsibility on anybody else to not let you know you're an asshole. If that opinion somehow gets distorted enough to give you the impression that I don't support freedom of expression, then it's a failure to understand on your part rather than a failure to support on mine.
You clearly do have a problem with him expressing his opinions, because that is exactly what he did. He wasn't "being an asshole" as you so claim.