Will the US turn into a full blown dictatorship in the near future?

We withstood 8 years of Obama. If he's your guy I get it, I really do. If you Hate the Don you may feel panicked, but rest assured neither had full reign. At times I thought any day Obama would be standing in the back of a white Jeep with a tourer gun with gurilla warfare types carrying M60's while he Cooley smoked a cigarette riding through the ghettos for praise. It didn't happen! And whatever you fear of the Trumps will not happen either.

We are a broken bunch right now playing identity crap while they laugh. The quickest way to bring us together would be martial law and total Disregard for the opposite side. That's why we must protect the 2nd at all cost. Our military will join our ranks before fighting for the elite on American soil. Sworn to Protect against enemies at home and abroad.

The US was set up as a constitutional republic, over time we have come to see ourselves as a democracy. A democracy is a tyranny of the majority. It is easy to influence the opinions of the majority via media and education.

Except that the us seems split 50/50 along the left/right paradigm you bring up a good point about the majority though. The call to remove the electoral colege would cement your idea with the majoriy coming from liberal mega cities.
a reply to: SkeptiSchism

WACO, Move, Occupy, Ferguson, BLM, Bundy Ranch.

How was any of that handled any differently than any dictatorship?

a reply to: starwarsisreal

In my opinion American has long been a dictatorship although not by one dictator, but a group of mobsters. A dictatorship of special interests and wealth. Our wars have been declared by oil corporations, our congress has been repeatedly given a 15% approval rating, making it obvious they do not work for us the people, you can do anything without paying uncle sam first, any business, service or otherwise entails an ungodly amount of paperwork and insurance etc... that the barriers to entry are almost impossible. We the people have no say in anything unless we are wealthy and can afford a lobby. In other countries I have traveled to, people are much more free than here in the USA.

Whatever we become is irrelevant, since we are already not the "land of the free." I miss the America I was raised in.

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
While I am aware at this point it is impossible because the people will not accept a dictatorship, thing is it might change over the coming decade.

Ever since the passage of the Patriot Act, we are gradually losing our rights bit by bit.

In addition, we now have people calling for the shut down of free speech because of feelings which is disturbing because in the past, it would have been laughable. I gotta admit, ever since the rise of the SJW movements, they crossed a very dangerous line with the use of Antifa Stormtroopers to silence conservative speakers.

I wonder what other freedoms we will lose next?

It seems like we are being programmed to slowly accept tyranny and lose faith on US values.

I wonder how long will it takes before the people finally think a dictatorship is a very good idea?

As the saying goes "Death by a thousand paper cuts"

Reminds me of the line from MIB.

"You can pry it from my cold dead hands".

Not as long as there are Americans, armed, and willing to fight for freedom.

Fred..

originally posted by: 19KTankCommander
a reply to: starwarsisrealIt started with the Political correct portion of todays society, kids and when I say kids, most under the age of 30 don't have a clue on how hard our parents had it but managed to survive, Kids today what everything for nothing and don't sacrifice anything to achieve their goals instead they want to blame everyone but themselves to including the Government and its so called dictatorship, don't blame the government blame the liberals that think that we need to take a more tolerance stance against those that say Merry Christmas, or that statue is offensive or God bless you ect, and for those that think the patriot act is wrong I agree somewhat but for those that think immigration should be illegal vs legal should keep their doors unlocked and lets see how they like someone coming into their home, To me Dictatorship is more than just the fear of one individual but the fear of a political movement that wants to turn us into the USSR, or China or North Korea, and freedom of speech is controlled by those that don't like what others have to say to include ATS.

You have a president that says anything negative about him in the press is "fake news"...

It starts small.

originally posted by: intrptr

WACO, Move, Occupy, Ferguson, BLM, Bundy Ranch.

How was any of that handled any differently than any dictatorship?

In a dictatorship BLM would have been destroyed along with occupy. All dead or silenced. Try having a rally in N Korea, China, Syria etc, and see a real dictatorship in action.
Waco and Ruby ridge, although a grossly misguided individual Timothy McVey blew up the federal building in Oklahoma. He was executed and rightfully so, but as a Horrible example he thought he was fighting back based of off those two incidents.
That is a deep thought conspiracy I have been looking into. Oklahoma bombing happened on the anniversary of Waco. McVey was put to death around 50-60 days before September 11, 2001. The Waco standoff was 51 days. I'm not a 911 conspiracy guy, but that coincidence kinda hit me.

I keep seeing fight for "freedom".

Whose "freedom"?

The whole American revolution was over taxes. Taxes are bad, remember.
And then the newly formed government of "founding fathers" implemented taxes. Which led to lesser revolutions that people that aren't students of history have no clue even occurred.

Instead of a king, you pay the Republic.
And I'm sure you feel represented by your elected officials.

a reply to: TexasTruth

In a dictatorship BLM would have been destroyed along with occupy.

These movements were 'destroyed', just like in a Dictatorship.

Eventually we will be in a full blown dictatorship.

That is how and where we are progressing.

The good news?

I'll be dead by then.

So it'll be on the young people to either fight it or embrace it.

One step at a time.

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960

originally posted by: starwarsisreal
While I am aware at this point it is impossible because the people will not accept a dictatorship, thing is it might change over the coming decade.

Ever since the passage of the Patriot Act, we are gradually losing our rights bit by bit.

In addition, we now have people calling for the shut down of free speech because of feelings which is disturbing because in the past, it would have been laughable. I gotta admit, ever since the rise of the SJW movements, they crossed a very dangerous line with the use of Antifa Stormtroopers to silence conservative speakers.

I wonder what other freedoms we will lose next?

It seems like we are being programmed to slowly accept tyranny and lose faith on US values.

I wonder how long will it takes before the people finally think a dictatorship is a very good idea?

As the saying goes "Death by a thousand paper cuts"

Reminds me of the line from MIB.

"You can pry it from my cold dead hands".


Fred..

That's Charlton Heston's line. RIP

a reply to: starwarsisreal

With Don the Con allowed to flaunt and mistreat the law and the republic, it is a foregone conclusion.

a reply to: richapau


The ultimate irony if Trump did make a dictatorship is that he'd lose everyone who voted for him but gain everyone who voted against him.

a reply to: lakenheath24

The patriot act is not a bipartisan issue..

It is an issue the conservatives champion and the democrats say is a bad thing publicly..

Then they all go behind closed doors and “vote”to keep it.

I understand how that would look like “bipartisanship”, but really it is a conservative policy that some democrats are paid off to vote for.


As far as a “dependency stage” ...

A) what do you do when human labor is irrelevant and period there are no jobs reguardless of work ethic???

There are already not enough good jobs for all those with good work ethics , and sadly not everyone is management material that is a hard worker..

B) dependency is also a relative term. All civilizations do something for their populations...

Weather that something is “dependency “ is relative to how much work the elites are required to do..


For example.. running water would have been considered an amazing luxury in a previous time and now it is considered the minimum human standard.

A sharpened rock could be argued to “make society dependent “ compared to all those bashing deer with small bolders..

A relavistic term requires a baseline for comparison and that baseline is constantly shifting.




CONCERNING MILLINIALS BEING ENTITLED..

Millineals are not entitled..

40 year old upper class white women are entitled .. ask anyone who works with the public..

Every generation claims the one that comes after is gonna “ruin society”..


Concering native Americans..

The Native American empires didn’t fall do to dependency..

That is like saying that dependency was what caused the Jews all the pain of the holocaust..

No first 80% of NAs died of diseases. Then the rest were slaughtered or huddled onto reservations. Then economical discriminated against after a no question genocide..

They did plenty of raping and raiding on their way down, but still.. dependency has nothing to do with it..





I think that the increased standard of living is what has lessened crime and violence consistently over the decades..

People fight over resources when they are scarce , far worse than when they are plentyful..

In a Star Trek type society where work is voluntary and menial labor is handled by automation. I think that sets us free..

Everyone with an interest in science , can focus on science... not much time for that when your running from dead end job to dead end job barely paying the bills..

My thinking on it is that yes. We will eventually be a full blown dictatorship. BUT, exactly when that will be or at what point the transformation is complete is up in the air.

The OP mentions The Patriot Act and that's part of the key to the whole thing. Because it's one of the milestones you can point to and say "That was significant". What I see here is a slow, steady, calculated march. There's not much you can put your finger on and say that's definitive proof of anything.

Why? Because (as you might know) they always have a good excuse! Don't they? A terrorist attack or a school shooting or something along those lines. The Patriot Act might seem outrageous on it's own but of course, if you look at it in context, it kind of makes sense. You can't really accuse them of overreacting because of the drastic nature of what they were reacting to (9/11 in this case).

But of course TPA hangs around. And likely will remain long after the need for it expires. And who is going to get rid of it? No one. That's the simple answer. The government does not simply give up that kind of power once it has acquired it (it's way too hard for them to get it back, for one thing).

So, we're talking gradual here. It's a gradual thing. Slow, plodding. Like one of those movies you watch where the things that happen to move the plot from point A to point B are so boring to watch you kind of don't even know how it happened.

Humans. We like things in bite-sized pieces. That's how we live our lives. One day at a time. Or paycheck to paycheck. Whatever. Life is unbearable if we worry about things we won't have to deal with until 20 years down the road. We can't see the picture that way or we'd lose our minds. So. If you wanted to do anything the vast majority of people would not agree with right now, you'd have to bide your time and wait for opportunities to take the baby steps to get to the place you want to be. And that's what I think has been happening. I don't even think a lot of this stuff that happens is part of "the conspiracy" (if you want to call it that). They're merely convenient opportunities for people who were looking for excuses all along.

It's absolutely like the boiled frog. But another way of looking at it is if you jump into a pool where the water temperature is just slightly below what you wish it was. The instant you jump in, it's very uncomfortable and your first instinct is to get out. But the difference between comfort and discomfort is so slight that your body acclimates quickly. And before long, you don't even notice.

Of course, when you go swimming in a pool, the water might be a bit colder than you'd like it but they don't keep gradually lowering the temperature until you die of hypothermia. But they probably could and a lot of people wouldn't notice until it was too late.

What am I saying? When it happens, there won't be many people left who care. It will make sense how we got from point a to point b. You know. The usual excuses. Criminals, terrorists. Whatever.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TexasTruth

In a dictatorship BLM would have been destroyed along with occupy.

These movements were 'destroyed', just like in a Dictatorship.

Please elaborate. Occupy was a bunch of hippies that gave up, and BLM was formed on a false narrative with no real leadership. What did "Obama" do to squash those?

I believe American leftists would welcome a dictator as long as he held their beliefs.

a reply to: starwarsisreal

No , but Only if the People Defeat the Marxist and Socialists Members of the State and Federal Governments behind the Liberal Progressive Movement to Destroy America . Patriots RISE and Defend Our Constitution !