It's Trump's Fault That The Flow of Foreign Students Wanes & U.S. Universities Feel the Sting

This is why I did WGU, non-profit so I paid 6k per year, and since you can go at your own pace you can work through a BS in less than 2 years and an MS in less than a year. I can't speak for all industries or degree programs, but the IT and information security degrees are reasonably respected from what I've seen in the infosec community. Then again most of the people I know with those degrees also have a good bit of experience in the field, so your mileage may vary.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
this is great news for xenophobes and bigots that are afraid of anyone that looks different from them. the entire planet is moving toward an age of globalism, its inevitable.

trump wants to isolate the united states as the world moves forward together with or without us, this will open the door for a great leader to amass power enough to rival ours and eventually we will have to jump in to another world war...perhaps its all a part of his 4d chess match plan.

Globalism sucks.

a reply to: schuyler


Nope, it is everyone should PAY for a college education.
And the young'ins have no idea what kind of F'ing that is coming their way with the debt. The college wins no matter what, and the student may do really really good, or may not do so good. Doesn't matter, the money is already spent.

That's the fallacy. EVERYBODY DESERVES a college education.

a reply to: seasonal

It was in regard to her general disgust for capitalism.

I would say regarding the University issue we are seeing consumers finally stand up and say the price isn't worth the product.

a reply to: Hypntick

Non profit? Socialist/sarc

This is why I did WGU, non-profit so I paid 6k per year,

a reply to: TheLead

Yes, and free market capitalism says that pricee should go lower to meet market demand.... We will see, maybe some TARP $$$ needs to go the big education?

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
this is great news for xenophobes and bigots that are afraid of anyone that looks different from them. the entire planet is moving toward an age of globalism, its inevitable.

trump wants to isolate the united states as the world moves forward together with or without us, this will open the door for a great leader to amass power enough to rival ours and eventually we will have to jump in to another world war...perhaps its all a part of his 4d chess match plan.

Globalism sucks.

change is inevitable, look at a map from 1817 and you will see how much borders and cultures have changed. they will continue to change and a map from 2217 will look nothing like it does today.

a reply to: seasonal

Online competency based education, pretty low overhead when it comes to administrative costs. Considering both of my degrees were for HR check-boxes I knew the name of the school was less important than the piece of paper. Now if I was interested in going into law or the medical field, obviously you're going to want a big name and more expensive school. For the rest of us who don't want to be C level execs or anything like that, el-cheapo degrees are a pretty good trade off.

originally posted by: Hypntick
This is why I did WGU, non-profit so I paid 6k per year, and since you can go at your own pace you can work through a BS in less than 2 years and an MS in less than a year. I can't speak for all industries or degree programs, but the IT and information security degrees are reasonably respected from what I've seen in the infosec community. Then again most of the people I know with those degrees also have a good bit of experience in the field, so your mileage may vary.

Currently attending WGU right now.

Why isn't every IT Security program like this? Not only do I get a degree but the industry recognized certifications and specialization the market demands.

a reply to: Hypntick

Most, not all college can be done online. Colleges are a dinosaur and most will die out and I got the feeling they were squeezing every student's grapes for the last cent. They know their days operating like they are are numbered.

a reply to: seasonal

The information they provide can be easily accessed on Google and Youtube or from a book.

Why is everyone paying so much for someone to read them a book?

Read the book on your own and apprentice for labs like it was 50 years ago when our grandparents went from dropping out of school in 8th grade to being respected mechanical engineers.

At least that's what my grandfather did. Owned a few houses and had stock in AT&T. Was in the battle of Midway during WW2 got out and read some books to become a successful engineer.

Wtf happened to those days?

My generation got the shaft hardcore.

Why would foreign students come here anyway ?

They'd get a better education in Europe or Asia.

a reply to: neo96

they get them for free is my guess

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: seasonal

The information they provide can be easily accessed on Google and Youtube or from a book.

Why is everyone paying so much for someone to read them a book?

Read the book on your own and apprentice for labs like it was 50 years ago when our grandparents went from dropping out of school in 8th grade to being respected mechanical engineers.

At least that's what my grandfather did. Owned a few houses and had stock in AT&T. Was in the battle of Midway during WW2 got out and read some books to become a successful engineer.

Wtf happened to those days?

My generation got the shaft hardcore.

That requires an investment in the employee, and that is not a positive revenue stream.

Unions used to help the employee, but now are blamed for the demise of all manufacturing and people seem to be blinded by the propaganda.

We are definitely in a slow screw cycle, and all this with many corps reporting record profits.

a reply to: toysforadults

This all comes back to the big boom in the 80's on how everyone should go to college, when in fact they really shouldn't. The majority of jobs can be learned via apprenticeship or with appropriate on the job training, then you have the degrees that aren't really good for much of anything aside from a money and time sink. I have a colleague who has no college and was closing in on six figures, he's looking at a degree now because I make a good bit more than he does despite having very similar work histories, it still does matter when it comes to compensation.

I feel that if you were to go to college it should be for those disciplines that do require it or for those that want to teach those disciplines. Other than that I see them as mostly useless, but an unfortunate need in current corporate environments.

a reply to: Hypntick

Well, you know as well as I do that the degree is a big deal in IT. You can get by on cert's but you won't be getting the network engineering and security positions that pay really well.

I have multiple certifications and I'm getting ready for the CCNA right now and I can barely find anything. Probably moving to California soon for an opportunity.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TheLead

Yes, and free market capitalism says that pricee should go lower to meet market demand.... We will see, maybe some TARP $$$ needs to go the big education?

Maybe some will go defunct, perhaps they will adjust to teaching more specified real world applicable classes instead of Lego building courses Politicizing Beyonce courses

Besides my MFA, I bought an online PhD degree in Theology for $75. I'm an ordained minister and I have the papers to prove it and that degree is worth more than a degree from Trump University. believe me....

www.nationalreview.com...

It should be Dr.Olaru12

a reply to: neo96

maybe foreign students have finally figured out that they don`t need to spend a ton of money at liberal American colleges,they can get better educations for less money in other places.

maybe American colleges should consider that not every student is interested in safe places and liberal American politics on campus. I guess it`s easier to blame trump than to admit that pushing their own agendas and political views on campus is driving students away.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
this is great news for xenophobes and bigots that are afraid of anyone that looks different from them. the entire planet is moving toward an age of globalism, its inevitable.

trump wants to isolate the united states as the world moves forward together with or without us, this will open the door for a great leader to amass power enough to rival ours and eventually we will have to jump in to another world war...perhaps its all a part of his 4d chess match plan.

Globalism sucks.

change is inevitable, look at a map from 1817 and you will see how much borders and cultures have changed. they will continue to change and a map from 2217 will look nothing like it does today.

I do not need to look at a map.

You brought xenophobes, bigots and anyone who looks different in the thread and equated it with Trump and isolationism and another world war.

Then you said it is part of his 4d chess match.

So what does 2217 have to do with it?