The Deep State and why you should stop using this.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Oh dear. Another one. So-and-so says this so everyone else just shut the hell up... in this case "don't say deep state" because so-and-so says so. And not even a fellow citizen of these United States.

So, with all due respect, I must ask you: why the hell should I care what this guy says? Who made him the boss of us? What makes him the ultimate omniscient authority of anything/everything "deep state"?

NO ONE!!!

Further, am I supposed to believe that either you or this guy has personal intimate knowledge of the inner workings of our government and each and every single player therein? Of course not.

The absolute most he could say is that he has no knowledge but his opinion is blahblahblah. One cannot prove a negative. It is impossible for anyone to definitively say there is "no" anything, including a "deep state." All anyone could say is that they have no knowledge of it. That's it. So simply by claiming to know what cannot be known removes all credibility.

Now, having said all that, we can call the entrenched corruption and corrupted in the government "deep state" or "shadow government" or "NWO" or whatever we choose, but a rose is a rose is a rose. It is what it is. And the problem is the corruption and the corrupted critters who corrupted government -- not what word or phrase we use to call it!

Enough with the semantics and head games. Give us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and let the chips fall where they may!!!

a reply to: watchitburn

You are describing the "shadow government", the deeply entrenched bureaucrats in the varioous agencies like the EPA, who pursue their progressive agenda regardless which party is in power. It also inlcudes the anti-States rights Federal Judiciary.

The term Deep State in the US refers to the NSA/CIA/FBI which steers foriegn policy, the endless war. The DS in the US administers the Black Budget projects, DARPA, etc. and works closely with the Skunk Works to develop advanced weapons systems.

An autocratic regime is preferable to an oligarchical one.

In the autocratic regime you know who to hang if things go badly.

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

"Deep State" is a codeword hotly traded by conservative US conspiracy theorists.
It refers to the "state in the state" - a term by which autocratic regimes brand internal rivals as enemies of the state.
(quoted and translated from here (biggest online-news in Germany)

You may rant against this all you want.
But the core is: do you want to see yourself living under an autocratic regime?

If not, stop using "deep state".

They are just internal rivals to Trump, and he plays you like a fiddle.

Another European trying to tell Americans how to talk. Hahahaha.. Ahahahahaha omg

Deep State is not a new phenomena in the lexicon of American life. It's a concept that goes to the very core of conspiracy that probably started soon after we had a war to get rid of the brits.

It's a concept sometimes interchanged with shadow government. Think 1913, Federal Reserve.. Any powers like money, media, CIA, FBI etc, can be influenced by powerful people outside the Elected government.

Shadow government includes the deep state. Deep State is just the CIA or FBI or FDA or people who influence what happens and seem to organize behind the scenes to a more organized scheme called the shadow government..

And just so you are aware:



Eisenhower who was a Trump supporter warned the Nation in his final address before leaving office about a deepstate issue..

Military Industrial Complex.

Our president was a conspiracy theorist?

Or?


Learn some history.

Shadow government is money plus deep state (basically) deep state is who you buy or convert within government.. this may also include former CIA working at places like CNN or FOX news.



And Let's see here.. Does the USA allow for autocratic rule in the way the government is set up?
What does the constitution say?

What you call autocratic rule is exactly what Hillary and Obama were doing with each other.. Clinton president 8 years then Bush 8 years then Obama president 8 years with secretary of state Clinton who then rigs election against her rivals with help from all over including news outlets leaking her debate questions...

We call it cronyism and it's been going on forever..
I'm honestly baffled people can't seem to remember even recent history.

originally posted by: CliffoCambridge
a reply to: ManFromEurope

the term deep state is used by both sides of the fence. The deep state was once called the shadow government and was a conspiracy theory for years. Whats scary now is both sides openly recognise that there is a deep state. Meaning there is actors behind the scene who control what is going on and that conspiracy is now fact. Well its fact in the sense that TPTB want the public to know that there is a deep state/shadow gov.

THIS! Should be a headline. One of the most profound posts I've read for a long time on this site.

My uncle worked for the deep state in southeast Asia. Won't give location details, but let's just say the CIA was allowed, on paper, to have 400 advisors within this country's political system. That was on paper. There were 4,000 advisors, with one CIA operative per every single local gov't official.

This was during the Vietnam war. He was recruited from another completely unrelated venture in Asia, and thought it would be fun. It was not fun, and only benefited the CIA and U.S. Gov't. The big deal to him was that most of these men were former Nazis. When he told me this, I asked if they were just white people who hated anyone else? No, he said. They were literally men who grew up in Germany as Hitler Youth and move to the U.S. after WWII.

At one point, when he found the documentation about only 400 advisors being allowed at any give time in the country, he asked his higher-ups why there were 4,000. The next day, he was asked to get on a plane to the U.S., and his services were no longer needed. He was told he could get on the plane, or go home in a pine box.

A man followed him all the way to San Francisco.

My uncle tried to write a book about his experience, and every publisher at the time said "Nope, no one is interested in this, sorry."

Now, none of those people were voted into their positions, and none of them could be taken out of their positions by vote. They could do anything they wanted to, and had no oversight other than their parent operations management. They were a political army in and of themselves.

That was just one little country. This happens in the American gov't all over the world, and you better believe it's in the USA as well. That is the deep state. They don't give a # about any accountability, and will fight anyone who tries to stop what they're doing. It was started in 1913, and really enhanced in 1947 with the National Security Act. Eisenhower did call them out (that's all he could do), and Truman, who signed the NSA, deeply regretted it.

It's not an anti-Trump operation, though they're doing that now. You really need to read up more about this stuff before you proclaim that it's a group of people who don't like Trump.

Further reading - explain to me why Mary Pinchot Meyer was killed in 1964, and what the CIA was doing trying to ensure they had all her personal diaries. That story alone should tell you all you need to know about the Deep State within the USA.

Thanks.

And yes, their operations were paid for to some degree by running drugs via Air America. He went on a good number of flights with them, even at one point being asked by a drunk pilot to fly the plane for a while. Scary stuff. They'd fly pigs into the countryside, and then drugs back out.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

You do realize that the term probably existed before you were born right?

Now you say its exclusively a "right wing conspiracy" buzz word.

I have been reading and talking about it for over 2 decades, across political spectrums crossed over the years.