14yo girl facing felony child porn charges, 10 years for selfie

A clear sign that the legal system is full of people who have absolutely no scruples about who they deem worthy of their crusade for Justice...

When they inevitably fail to ruin this girls life, it will only be because of the outrage that will be generated in the lead up to a decision.

That paints a sad picture of humanity.

a reply to: intrepid

I don't think anybody has argued that sexually explicit photos of a minor is not CP...?

I think, and others may correct me if I'm incorrect, the problem that most people have is that she's been charged with a felony under a law who's purpose is

It is the policy of the legislature in enacting this section to protect minors from the physical and psychological damage caused by their being used in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involves minors. It is therefore the intent of the legislature to penalize possession of pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involve minors or appears to involve minors in order to protect the identity of minors who are victimized by involvement in the pornographic work, and to protect minors from future involvement in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct.

And for some reason this prosecutor seems to think that the best way to prevent this minor from taking pictures of herself is to charge her with a felony that carries up to seven years in prison as a penalty.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So he's basically sending a message to teens?

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: Shamrock6

So he's basically sending a message to teens?

Prosecutors aren't supposed to be the ones sending a message, that's the judge's job when he hands down a sentence. The prosecutor's job is to seek justice. Where's the justice in this case?

"If you have the audacity to send a picture of yourself to somebody, I'm gonna try to put you in prison."

Great message.

originally posted by: UKTruth
The girl should not be charged, but the parents should.

Explain why?

Being a teen in the 90's, teenage skin pics are nothing new. They weren't even new when my older brother, and husband, were teens in the 80's.

Don't act like a teen nudie shot is a new, recent perversion. It's not, it's been done for decades.

originally posted by: intrepid
This has come up in the past. It IS child pornography. I seriously doubt she'll see a jail cell though.

Really by who's standard ? the law ? who made the law ? One kid sends something to another kid, probabaly in love and having butterflies in the stomach. I guess in the future schools need to be way larger than today. One changing room per kid, so they don't have to change together after sports.

I mean, really. These kind of laws are probabaly invented by some radical religiously thinking mumbo jumbo law making pieces of pooo that themselves possibly are into child pornography and just try to opress any kind of temptation they themselves might fall for.

A 14 year old girl sending a nude pic to her (or to be) boy friend a sex offender that needs to be punished with a 10 year jail sentence ??? My ass !!! I feel no respect for anybody who remotely endorses this kind of thinking.

This world is getting sicker by the minute.

originally posted by: trollz

originally posted by: UKTruth
The girl should not be charged, but the parents should.

Yeah, ok. How would you like it if the police showed up at your door and said "Sorry, your kid did something stupid today. You're under arrest."

It happens all the time.
If your child violates truancy laws, you can be jailed for it.
I don't believe a parent should be charged in the circumstances laid out in the OP, but it does happen.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Sometimes I wonder what has happened to common sense. Or decency. Heck, even empathy. Not just in the legal system, but in everyone.

I’ve raised 3 children, and although I think they have a fair amount of sense now, I could tell stories of stupid things they did that would surely get my husband and I arrested if some people (*cough, coughUK, cough, cough*) had their way. Kids don’t THINK. Teenagers aren’t really great at understanding consequences yet. That’s part of the whole growing process.

I, too, don’t see this going to trial. But they have succeeded in sending a message. And changed the girl’s life forever.

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: trollz

So the little girl will possibly go to jail and become a pedophile for doing exactly what society has taught her to do. Sounds about right.

I read about some 10-year-olds selling their own pictures to pedophiles online. Once money comes into it who knows where all of this will lead. So easy to take your own picture and easy to make some $$ selling to strangers you think you will never meet in person.
A sad world nowadays.

originally posted by: Lolliek
Kids don’t THINK. Teenagers aren’t really great at understanding consequences yet.

Well, let's be fair here, they DO think, just not with long-term consequences of choices in mind. Teens are very much pros at short-term thinking for quick benefits/fun, not so much as further than a week or two out. It explains why so many of them when I was one had a nude Polaroid of their girlfriends/boyfriends tucked away in their wallets/purses. In the short-term, it was a very gratifying, couple-y thing to have of their juvenile other halves. They didn't (and still don't) see that as a bad thing as far as the law is concerned. Short-term thinking there.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: intrepid

I don't think anybody has argued that sexually explicit photos of a minor is not CP...?

I think, and others may correct me if I'm incorrect, the problem that most people have is that she's been charged with a felony under a law who's purpose is

It is the policy of the legislature in enacting this section to protect minors from the physical and psychological damage caused by their being used in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involves minors. It is therefore the intent of the legislature to penalize possession of pornographic work depicting sexual conduct which involve minors or appears to involve minors in order to protect the identity of minors who are victimized by involvement in the pornographic work, and to protect minors from future involvement in pornographic work depicting sexual conduct.

And for some reason this prosecutor seems to think that the best way to prevent this minor from taking pictures of herself is to charge her with a felony that carries up to seven years in prison as a penalty.

Decades ago, doing any kind of photography distribution work would have involved heavy investment of cash to rent suitable premises (or owning a home), setting up cameras, tripods, lighting, backdrops, reflectors, camera film, a developer room, printing press, a distribution network. Then it was easy to create legislation that would prosecute the people doing the creation and distribution of illegal work. Now, the functionality of a smart-phone with a HD digital camera, auto correction mode and wireless connectivity has eliminated the need for all that technical expertise, so that it only needs the person taking selfies.

The same thing happened with bootleggers of Betamax and VHS movies. In the 1990's, special teams of police would work on shutting down illegal bootleg video factories. Criminals would rent a warehouse, install banks of stolen commercial VCR copying equipment, print out cheap color photocopies of box labels, and manufacture bootleg videos by their thousands then distribute them for sale at car boot sales. Now videos are simply downloaded from P2P networks.

a reply to: trollz

It sounds like she's been humiliated by the boy passing them around, the school's involvement and then the courts are involved and social media. She's a kid ffs.

The girl made a couple of small mistakes in thinking the guy could be trusted and that nude selfies are a good way to flirt. That's the only thing she's done wrong, right? Enough is enough. A sit down and chat would have been enough of a consequence instead of crushing her with the legal machinery.

Same thing has happened in the UK this summer with a teenager being put on the sex offender's list for sending a girl his own age a nude selfie. She passed them around too.

Something fundamentally wrong in this world. It's hard to put the puzzle pieces together. The best I can surmise is this world is an experiment and as any experiment goes things sometimes go awry.

Our thoughts will be readable soon. And what happens when somebody gets a snapshot of your thoughts and distributes them on the interwebz for all to see? Thought control here we come.

Life will be different in the future. Imagine being born in a nursery, literally. There won't be families in the future. There might be family-networks or quasi-families. Just picture in your mind a hybrid family-ish system. Healthcare will assume control of childhood development.

I feel sorry for anybody growing up in these systems. Not because life will be bad but because they won't understand history at all. It'll be so far removed it'd be like trying to understand gibberish. Oh they'll have explanations for history, no doubt about that. But genuine understanding will escape their numerous attempts. Ultimately, we'll be archeology.

a reply to: trollz

The prosecutor should be fired.

Out of a cannon.

I've warmed my nephew about this very thing.
If you get a nude pic of a girl sent to you, burn it to your memory and delete it.

originally posted by: UKTruth
The girl should not be charged, but the parents should.

You don't understand how this happens. Just had problems with an 11 year old girl sexting and using sexual explicit language at a school bus stop. First total denial! someone else did it when I was at home supposedly sleeping. I don't know how it happened during class time at school but I didn't do it. Discovered by parents and the school took back the Chromebook and now she can only use it at school. No computer access at home allowed. No smart phone. She argued she would never get raped because she knows how to say NO. She had been told not to do these things by both her parents and the school but adults know nothing about SEX. She knows more than anyone else!

I don't think the parents in this thread should be charged unless there is a lot more to the story than we have been told. There are irresponsible parents but many are not and kids do dangerous and stupid things way more than we like to believe.

How many copies of this girl's picture have now been made by our "justice" system?

How many adult lawyers, cops, judges, have leered over this 14 year old's nudes?

A bunch I'd bet.

The real perverts and sickos are sitting in seats of power with their "legal" kiddie porn.

originally posted by: intrepid
This has come up in the past. It IS child pornography. I seriously doubt she'll see a jail cell though.

Is this real lol? If two 14 year olds have sex is that child porn? If the act isnt illegal then a damm picture of should not be illegal.

WTF???

How does something like this even get into our justice system? You have to have someone that cares enough to report it, then a prosecutor willing to charge her, a cop willing to go arrest her .

I have 0 faith in our legal system a cop can blast a crying magn begging for his life and walk. But a girl takes a pic of her junk and.........................who knows..

Something is backasswards.

originally posted by: notsure1
If two 14 year olds have sex is that child porn?

If they record their activity it is.

More retarded people in positions of authority, they want to protect her from herself by jailing her, what a bunch of morons.