Christ and Capitalism

a reply to: Woodcarver
Society has changed, yes. Human nature hasn't.

a reply to: Revolution9

He is using parable to explain, what god want's is an increase in goodness and faith not an increase in money.

God's kingdom is not a capitalist society, it is also not a socialist society though it does have far more in common with the latter.

It is a divine monarchy but beyond that everyone is a prince, a king in there own right.

If your brother has no coat and you have two give him the one you are not using - it does not say give him the better one but if you love your brother dressing him should be as important to you as dressing yourself so why not give him the better one as surely that would be more in keeping with the meaning of the message.

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Do unto other's as you would have done unto you.

Who is my neighbor - parable of the good Samaritan BUT love your enemy's and bless those that hate you - BE the good Samaritan.

Go Sell all you own, give it to the poor and come and follow me.

The son of man has no place to lay his head - Jesus was homeless on the world he actually own's but of course he does have his kingdom NOT OF THIS EARTH so NOT CAPITALISM think about that.

Capitalism especially when it get's big is driven by anti Christian system's.

Greed

Covetousness

Exploitation

Selfishness

And it goes hand in hand with

Lies

Corruption

War

Slavery


Don't offer a strange fire to God because that is not the God you are claiming to worship, it is someone whom is a stranger to him.

In heaven you are free, the work you shall do shall be done out of love not greed - you shall never be thirst, never hungry, never have to be tired though you may sleep if you choose to, never sick because your maker will heal you, never unclothed because he cloth's you, in heaven God is the one making the investment he just want's to see his children grow up to be more like him and NOT like the devil.

The Devil
Come worship me and all these thing's I shall give unto you
The Capitalist
OK
The Christian
NO

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Woodcarver
Society has changed, yes. Human nature hasn't.

it could be argued that books like this and people's desire to judge others by it, have stalled the ability for many to accept better standards for themselves and therefor society as a whole. Far too many are willing to "put their lives in god's hands" instead of educating themselves and putting forth the effort to better themselves, or demand better for those around them. The book, as a whole, is a bad example for how to live and treat others. Why not take all of the good lessons from all religions and make another book based on our new and modern understanding for how to run a society? One that leaves out the magic messiah and focuses on hard data.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Why not take all of the good lessons from all religions and make another book based on our new and modern understanding for how to run a society?

Sounds like a great project ...Maybe Scientology or agenda 21 or 31 or what ever .Christianity wouldn't really be much of a threat because the main tenant is to cause no harm .

originally posted by: LABTECH767




In heaven you are free, the work you shall do shall be done out of love not greed - you shall never be thirst, never hungry, never have to be tired though you may sleep if you choose to, never sick because your maker will heal you, never unclothed because he cloth's you, in heaven God is the one making the investment he just want's to see his children grow up to be more like him and NOT like the devil.

The Devil
Come worship me and all these thing's I shall give unto you
The Capitalist
OK
The Christian
NO

Christians are not exempt from greed or any other quality you don't like.

Since you don't actually know any of this and certainly can't prove any of it, statements like this can easily be dismissed as poetic wishfullness. It does no one any good to pretend like heaven is a real place.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

Why not take all of the good lessons from all religions and make another book based on our new and modern understanding for how to run a society?

Sounds like a great project ...Maybe Scientology or agenda 21 or 31 or what ever .Christianity wouldn't really be much of a threat because the main tenant is to cause no harm .

Why scientology or agenda 21? Is that the best your sarcasm can come up with? Christianity's main tenet is to believe in jesus, causing no harm is not what the bible teaches. In the stories, Jesus literally sicks a bear on some kids. Tells slaves to obey their masters, levels entire cities, drowns the entire world, states that gays, and unruly children should be killed, and much more. Who cares what else he says? We wouldn't take advice from charles manson, even if it was good advice.

The point is that these stories are old and written by people who lived a different type of life. They felt like they needed these stories to control people and keep them in line. We no longer need to look at these stories for guidence. In modern western society, our nature has changed. Look at parts of the world where these stories are still held in reverence. They chop heads and subjegate women. They kill gays and imprison men for talking to women. Rapists are free to rape and their victims are punished. Western society has taken the Bible out of our government, and replaced it with rational laws.

a reply to: Woodcarver

We wouldn't take advice from charles manson, even if it was good advice.

Some people would even if it was bad advice . The US constitution was written at a different time but it has a timeless quality to it . Context is king in all writings and especially important when delving into ancient writings . I hear that even the Romans used animals to attack people but it was a kind of sick entertainment but even that could be a good lifes lesson .

a reply to: Revolution9

I guess flexing the biblical muscle is cool. But what would Jesus say about capitalize today?

Just take textile manufacturing. Go to any walmart or fill in the blank retailer and look at the supply chain.
The new master will not even give a worker (servant) a penny to invest. The workers are modern day slaves that were better off when the industries were not exploiting them.

I don't think your Bible verse applies in 2017 like you are trying to insist.


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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

We wouldn't take advice from charles manson, even if it was good advice.

Some people would even if it was bad advice . The US constitution was written at a different time but it has a timeless quality to it . Context is king in all writings and especially important when delving into ancient writings . I hear that even the Romans used animals to attack people but it was a kind of sick entertainment but even that could be a good lifes lesson .

There is no magic or talking animals in the constitution. It has been amended many times since it's original inception and can still be amended.

Yes the Romans did use animals, they were also barbaric. That is why we no longer look to the Romans for advice. We took what good we could find from their culture, and left what was not. Nobody claims that Romans are the standard for everything moral like they express that the Bible is. I don't see anyone quoting homers Odyssey like they do the Bible.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

We wouldn't take advice from charles manson, even if it was good advice.

Some people would even if it was bad advice . The US constitution was written at a different time but it has a timeless quality to it . Context is king in all writings and especially important when delving into ancient writings . I hear that even the Romans used animals to attack people but it was a kind of sick entertainment but even that could be a good lifes lesson .

some people? You can find "some people" who will advocate for anything.

Some people are racist. Some people are murderers. Some people are rapists. That is why we have rational laws to punish those who cannot or will not control their actions. The Bible is not a rational book, and should not be touted as the standard for rational thought and processes by which we govern our society.

a reply to: Woodcarver

I think that is why they separated Church and State and why most Christians can see the value in it . Christians know that if they break the law then they could or should go to jail . Most Christians I know are very careful to not break the law . But most Christians I know will actually take it a step further in that even if something is legal it does not mean that it is beneficial and will choose to abstain from such things .

a reply to: LittleByLittle

Anti trust laws need to be applied. This is no guarantee that these corps that have huge teams of people doing nothing but strategizing getting around taxes and laws still won't dominate their chosen industries.

This is why a flat tax should be applied. You think a person making $30,000 is going to bark at a 15% tax? Imagine a billionaire having to fork over 15%. This is why it won't happen.


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a reply to: seasonal

This is why a flat tax should be applied.

Which harkens back to Ross Perault .Forget about a Bernie Saunders ,Ross was the man .

a reply to: Woodcarver

causing no harm is not what the bible teaches.

The 1st commandment is to love God and the second is to cause no harm to anyone. You really need to brush up on your Christian theology .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

causing no harm is not what the bible teaches.

The 1st commandment is to love God and the second is to cause no harm to anyone. You really need to brush up on your Christian theology .

those rules originally came from hammurabi. Perhaps you should bone up on your world history and not just focus on this one cult.

a reply to: Woodcarver

those rules originally came from hammurabi.

So hammurabi commanded to love God with all your heart and all your might ? Do you have the link to the exact text ?

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

I think that is why they separated Church and State and why most Christians can see the value in it . Christians know that if they break the law then they could or should go to jail . Most Christians I know are very careful to not break the law . But most Christians I know will actually take it a step further in that even if something is legal it does not mean that it is beneficial and will choose to abstain from such things .

Most "people" know that breaking the law comes with consequences. I don't think being "christian" exempts anyone from commiting foul acts. I think it is the consequences from our peers and our penal code that plays the bigger role here. There are plenty of "christians" in prison.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Woodcarver

those rules originally came from hammurabi.

So hammurabi commanded to love God with all your heart and all your might ? Do you have the link to the exact text ?

Would you like me to post of the entire book in this thread? Where in the Bible does it state loving God with all your heart and all your might? I think you're adding words that aren't there.

a reply to: Woodcarver

I think it is the consequences from our peers and our penal code that plays the bigger role here. There are plenty of "christians" in prison.

I can only speak for myself and say I stopped lying cheating and stealing after I became a Christian but know others that make the same claim . There are actually prisoners who become Christians while in jail too .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: seasonal

This is why a flat tax should be applied.

Which harkens back to Ross Perault .Forget about a Bernie Saunders ,Ross was the man .

Do you mean Perot? He was crazy, the media told me so. /sarc