Helicopter and plane collide over Waddesdon Manner...Rothschilds SA?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Gotcha..

Some more info -

Horror in the skies leaves four dead: Light plane and helicopter take off from flight training school moments apart only to smash into each other 1,000ft above the Rothschild family's Buckinghamshire estate just 15 minutes later

a reply to: Xcathdra

With an altitude drop like that, I'd be willing to bet they were doing spin recovery training. Depending on the school, you'll either do at most one rotation, or you do a full spin, which can result in an altitude drop of 1500+ feet. My sailplane training saw an average of 1200 feet in the aircraft that could do full spins. And that was only in 3 rotations.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Xcathdra

With an altitude drop like that, I'd be willing to bet they were doing spin recovery training. Depending on the school, you'll either do at most one rotation, or you do a full spin, which can result in an altitude drop of 1500+ feet. My sailplane training saw an average of 1200 feet in the aircraft that could do full spins. And that was only in 3 rotations.

I have no experience with this stuff. When doing stall training do they usually do it at low altitudes?

I just find it weird a plane hit a helicopter...

a reply to: Xcathdra

Straight stall training can be done at a few hundred feet. As long as you stay on top of the aircraft, you'll lose 30-40 feet on average. It's a slight nose drop, then you pull the nose back up and are flying again.

Spin training is done higher. Our minimum was 2,000 feet, but we were more comfortable with 2,500. It depends a lot on the airspace around them. If it's uncontrolled up to a certain altitude they can work up to that altitude, but usually 2,500-3,000 feet is plenty.

Helicopters, especially small ones like this, are very hard to see from any kind of distance. Usually when there's a collision between the two, the plane hits the helicopter.

Reports are saying Lord Rothschild was killed in the "accident".

a reply to: Xcathdra

I haven't been able to find anything but that they're trying to trace the next of kin.

One witness said he heard the plane sputtering before the crash.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Reports are saying Lord Rothschild was killed in the "accident".

Rothschilds were definitely at the manner as there is one quoted as hearing the explosion.

Any link to where you're seeing one was in the crash?

a reply to: Vasa Croe

The only place I've found it is at this site, which also claims four other people were with him, which is not possible.

www.worldnews.easybranches.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The only place I've found it is at this site, which also claims four other people were with him, which is not possible.

www.worldnews.easybranches.com...

It says he and 4 others died between the 2 craft. Do they each only seat 2? I don't know as I don't know much about either.

Weird...why is my post bolded?

edit on 11/17/17 by Vasa Croe because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Both are two seat aircraft, yes. The helicopter was a Guimbal Cabri G2, and the plane a Cessna 152.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Reports are saying Lord Rothschild was killed in the "accident".

Rothschilds were definitely at the manner as there is one quoted as hearing the explosion.

Any link to where you're seeing one was in the crash?

Just random bits off twitter.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So far, no comment on Lynn de Rothschild's Twitter account.

There is a new thread about potential Rothschild casualities :

Lord Rothschild Feared Dead After Plane Crash In Buckinghamshire

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Both are two seat aircraft, yes. The helicopter was a Guimbal Cabri G2, and the plane a Cessna 152.

Gotcha...thanks for the heads up.

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: Xcathdra

So far, no comment on Lynn de Rothschild's Twitter account.

There is a new thread about potential Rothschild casualities :

Lord Rothschild Feared Dead After Plane Crash In Buckinghamshire

Thanks

It would appear now that both aircraft were doing training flights. No names have been released, but it's believed the helicopter pilot was a highly experienced instructor, who flew for the military before becoming an instructor.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

This is a lengthy yet interesting read and thought you might enjoy it.
www.veteranstoday.com...

Is this whos next? His social media sites are interesting if so...

How could this change the face of the world as we know it? *Qanon*

en.wikipedia.org...

If it was their Mansion, I can guarantee you that no one ever flies over it and if they did the school would have been bought out and shut down.

You are talking about people that are among the most powerful in the World. Do you really believe they would want such things happening over their property? An annoying plane(s) flying over them at various hours when they are probably wanting peace and quiet?

There are no accidents like this over places like this.

a reply to: SR1TX

Planes fly over the property all the time. It's not "the school" at Wycombe. It's actually a quite busy general aviation and glider port.

It seems that the ATC had a bulletin issued for November as below,

A Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) had previously been issued warning pilots that the air field’s air traffic control services would be closed during three 30-minute periods on selected days between November 7-30 due to a ‘staff shortage’