Todays other indictment DOES show Trumps team sought dirt on Hillary from Kremlin

I know I have been accused of being a traitor for bring up the dirt on the democratic side, but I honestly want to see all of the corruption ended on all sides.

Given that I have made threads on Hillarys team using Russians to get dirt on Trump, its only right that I point out when the other side does it.

Enter the indictment of GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS.

www.justice.gov...

I encourage everyone to read it, but I will give a breif summary.

George was a foreign policy advisor to trump. he met a russian professor that ends up getting him in touch with a Russian foreign affairs minister. Eventually this minister says he has dirt on Hillary and thousands of emails. George contacts senior campaign people, and they tell him great job. George has meetings with russians that are undisclosed, and tries to facilitate a meeting between trump officials and the Russians, which ultimately falls through.

Oh, and he is guilty of a crime, because he lied to Mueller about this.

This guy was trying to get dirt in Hillary from Russian officials, and was talking to other Trump officials who told him thats sounds great.

This to me is the greatest link i see currently to Trump working with urssia.

However, trumps people ultimately did not make the meeting and at least in the indcitment there, did not get the dirt.

But still, this is troubling.

Note that he was dealing with teh Russian ministry of Foreign affairs. The steele dossier source a was a member of that group.

This means both trumps campaign and hillarys were getting drt from the MFA on the others.

There are two key differences.

1. Trumps team member went dircectly to the MFA for dirt, whereas Hillarys team paid a third party to do it.

2. It appears as if Trumps people never got dirt, whereas Hillarys people did.

Either way, its very shady.

a reply to: Grambler

I've got to run off to work, but I wanted you to know I am bursting with respect for you right now. You might very well be one of the most leveled headed people among us.

Does the Trump side go beyond the meeting staged by Fusion GPS??




Natalia Veselnitskaya

British tycoon to tell Senate Trump Jr Russia lawyer is linked to secretive group behind Steele Dossier
A British businessman says he will next week testify on Capitol Hill that researchers who helped produce the infamous Steele dossier, previously worked at the direction of the Russian lawyer who met Donald Trump Jr, and failed to declare they were doing so.

Fusion GPS was in the headlines earlier this year when it emerged its investigators, and a former British spy, Christopher Steele, had worked to produce a dossier of salacious, unverified claims about Donald Trump that suggested he had been “compromised” by Russian intelligence officials on a visit to Moscow in 2013. Mr Trump called the dossier “fake news”.

Bill Browder, the CEO and founder of Hermitage Capital Management, says he will testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee that the company, which was founded by former journalists, previously worked under the direction of Natalia Veselnitskaya as part of a Russian-led lobbying effort in the US.

Radical Dem Worked For Russian Lawyer Who Met With Trump, Jr.
Radical left-wing icon former California Democratic Rep. Ron Dellums was a hired lobbyist for Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with Donald Trump Jr. June 9, 2016, the Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group has learned.

Dellums, who represented liberal San Francisco and Oakland, Calif., is a long-time darling of left-wing political activists. He served 13 terms in Congress as an African-American firebrand and proudly called himself a socialist. He retired in 1996.

The former congressman is one of several high-profile Democratic partisans who was on Veselnitskaya’s payroll, working to defeat a law that is the hated object of a personal vendetta waged by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Photos: Russian Lawyer Attended Chicago Anti-Trump Rally

If this is a game being played from both sides and the end result ultimately exposes the underbelly of corruption in domestic politics and government, then I hope they ALL lose.

That can only be a win for the American people.

Firther more, Trump is tweeting today in regards to the manafort news and about Hillary connetions and there is no collusion.

Well what about his official directly contacting what he thought were Kremlin officlas for dirt on Hillary.

Now perhaps they didnt actually get the dirt.

But come on trump.

Dont be so sanctimonious; your advisor just admitted to trying to set up off the record meetings to get dirt from russia on Hillary.

Surely that may show you why people have questions.

It's a critical moment for American democracy too. The courts and the judicial process must be seen to be respected by all sides.

Otherwise the already seriously damaged faith in the entire system will be destroyed.

It's so important that Trump and the alt-right stop the attacks and deflections and maintain faith in the legal system. Without the rule of law.... anarchy.

originally posted by: Painterz
It's a critical moment for American democracy too. The courts and the judicial process must be seen to be respected by all sides.

Otherwise the already seriously damaged faith in the entire system will be destroyed.

It's so important that Trump and the alt-right stop the attacks and deflections and maintain faith in the legal system. Without the rule of law.... anarchy.

Where was the respect for rule of law summer before last?
No more of those blanket immunity deals comeys fbi was passing out like candy?

a reply to: Painterz

The courts and judicial system are deeply politicized and compromised. All hope is lost.

originally posted by: Grambler
...George was a foreign policy advisor to trump. he met a russian professor that ends up getting him in touch with a Russian foreign affairs minister. Eventually this minister says he has dirt on Hillary and thousands of emails. George contacts senior campaign people, and they tell him great job. George has meetings with russians that are undisclosed, and tries to facilitate a meeting between trump officials and the Russians, which ultimately falls through.

Oh, and he is guilty of a crime, because he lied to Mueller about this.

This guy was trying to get dirt in Hillary from Russian officials, and was talking to other Trump officials who told him thats sounds great.

This to me is the greatest link i see currently to Trump working with urssia.

I don't see where Team Trump "tried to get dirt".

Of cause, they were told there is dirt (by a third party, "the professor").

But there is the "co" in collusion missing.

PAPADOPOULOS Learns that the Russians Have "Dirt " on Clinton

On or about April 26 , 2016, defendant PAPADOPOULOS met the Professor for breakfast at a London hotel. During this meeting, the Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that he had just returned from a trip to Moscow where he had met with high-level Russian government officials . The Professor told defendant PAPADOPOULOS that on that trip he (the Professor) learned that the Russians had obtained "dirt" on then-candidate Clinton. The Profe sso r told defendant PAPADOPOULOS , as defendant PAPADOPOULOS later described to the FBI, that "They [the Russians] have dirt on her"; " the Russians had emails of Clinton"; "they have thousands of emails."

Sounds like this administration's Ollie North.

a reply to: Grambler



I thought "Opposition research" was okay now.


I'm soooooo confused!

a reply to: Painterz

I am neither alt-right nor a Trump supporter, but there's no restoring any faith I might have had in the system. That said, a pox on all their houses!

a reply to: Painterz

Finally, ATS is getting back to it's old self.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Maybe it's ok as long as your not getting it from the Russian govt?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Grambler

I thought "Opposition research" was okay now.


I'm soooooo confused!

There's nothing wrong with a bit of devil's advocate.

a reply to: Grambler

Digging up the dirt is not a crime.
Creating a fake dossier using campaign
finance and not reporting it however,
is a crime.

transition.fec.gov...

For each instance in the State where filing is required,
and to the Federal Government, an accurate account
must be declared.
At the very minimum, mail fraud is a crime as well.

P.S The laws are specific regarding foreign nationals also.

a reply to: Grambler

So the guy lied to Muller eh, and got caught . I suppose if you want the junk on your opponent and you can't or shouldn't use the #1 spy agencies (fbi/cia) you settle for # 2 ... Maybe the reform for the system would be to add the responsibility of your spy agency to publish the dirt on any and all political candidates . That would probably work better for the agency too because then they would have no need to lie and protect any of them . Does the US system have min/max sentences for liers ? Seeing that the "truth" is such a integral part of justice and one could say is probably a foundation pillar ,maintaining its integrity should come first ,but it does not .

One might get the impression that the better a lier you are the further up the ladder you get to go and if you want to go all the way to the top you are going to need help with your lies . The pee pee dossier would make a great case study . Although not all the figures are in it seems to have gone up over 10 million . Of course you would have to eliminate any truth you found in it to see what each lie was worth . Then there would be the issue of which lie was the best or biggest zinger .

Its all too early to find out the extent the "Russian" played in the election but for me the Zinger prize has to go to our good friend Mr. Pokemon . Sorry Russia we know you didn't come up with that one ...or did you Could this be a show for the public in order to get ahead of something else ?

a reply to: Grambler

It appears as if Trumps people never got dirt, whereas Hillarys people did.

Trump's team got an advantage because of the hacked DNC communications and the WikiLeaks documents. They got dirt, they just didn't get their hands dirty.

This is a good 'story' but just like everything else...who is the "campaign supervisor" who was telling him 'great job' and ' make the meetings'? If they are going to give us everyone else why would this person not be named? (rhetorical...)

It is almost as if he came on and was trying soooooooo hard to get a meeting that never came to fruition. If anything, I feel this guy exonerates Trump.

Political opposition research. Nothing illegal about it. Hillary and Russia dealings go back many years before the 2016 election.