About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: Vasa Croe

My thoughts too....particularly as he was into real estate and apparently regularly bought properties to let

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: Vasa Croe

My thoughts too....particularly as he was into real estate and apparently regularly bought properties to let

I'm leaning more towards this guy being anti system and true anarchist.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'd say his houses were a way for him to make more money from his gambling. If looked back on, the time from purchase to sell would be an indicator. Capital gains are no longer paid after 2 years of residence and if he bounced between them each long enough to trick the system into believing they were primary residences he would basically have his gambling money back out with no taxes in 2 years.

Oh my goodness! I didn't even consider that aspect, but it sure makes sense. It fits right in with the whole professional gambler mindset -- at least as I understand it. Tricky tricky!!!

a reply to: DBCowboy

As someone who used to eat 50mg of valium for breakfast every day, I can assure you that diazepam can change a person in very strange and very dark ways.

(ETA, 16 years clean :-) )

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'm leaning more towards this guy being anti system and true anarchist.

This reminds me of something I was told by my son's counselor when he was in high school. Sometimes when people figure out "the system," and even more important, figure out how to beat that system, they become quite contemptuous of any/all systems and feel quite superior to the system -- and those involved. It becomes a challenge to them to beat any and all systems, to constantly prove their own superiority. And the more they beat the system, the more they need to beat the system, because that's now where their self-worth comes from....

Maybe the video poker lost its challenge and Paddock needed to up the ante.

a reply to: MerkabaTribeEntity

(ETA, 16 years clean :-) )

Congrats and good luck to you

Here's A Moment-By-Moment Breakdown Of How The Las Vegas Shooting Unfolded

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired
10:12 p.m.: Officers arrive on the 31st floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel and report that the gunfire is coming from directly above them
10:15 p.m.: Final shots fired
10:17 p.m.: First officers arrive on the 32nd floor
10:18 p.m.: Security guard tells officers he has been shot and gives them the gunman's room number
10:26 p.m.–10:30 p.m.: Additional officers arrive at the hotel and begin checking rooms for injured people
10:55 p.m.: Officers arrive in a stairwell near the gunman's room
11:20 p.m.–11:27 p.m.: A SWAT team finally breaks into the shooter's room
11:58 p.m.: Officers inform the public that the shooter is "down"

More details at the link.

I just found a new video that shows the song being preformed before the long first "volley" of shots -

The first shot is at 3 seconds and there are about 5-6 kind of spaced out. The echo is very clear as well. The first "volley" starts at 0:41 seconds. Compare the sound of the first few sounds and then the ones from the rapid fire at 0:41 seconds.


This video really shows the difference between what an echo sounds like vs what over-lapping gun fire, or a second position sounds like. This is also better b/c it is while people are quiet so there is less background noise to hear the rounds better.

What Did The Note Stephen Paddock Leave Behind Say And Why Are They Hiding It?

My best guess at this point is that the note implicated others, and that's why its contents are not being released in order to not tip off accomplices to what they know or don't know.

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LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

After a series of fully-automatic gunfire popped off and people started getting struck by flying rounds a team of law enforcement officers and another ‘element’ stormed the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay it was feared that there was an additional shooter on the 29th floor.

“We have a four-man team up here and we have another element moving to us. We will need the 29th floor,” one officer said. “It sounds like it’s confirmed, there are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons.”

I'm posting this for information only -- this confirms only that in the heat of the moment, amid all the panic and chaos and confusion, they believed there was another shooter. Doesn't confirm there was one.

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Revealed: Las Vegas gunman shot at aviation fuel tanks almost sparking a potentially massive and deadly explosion on top of festival carnage

Two bullets that the 64-year-old fired did hit the tanks but did not pierce them, sparing an explosion... The tanks were located about 1,100 feet away from the Route 91 Harvest Festival

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'He had to have help at some point': Las Vegas gunman's level of planning, firearms and ammo point to an ACCOMPLICE, police say - as they search for mystery woman he was seen with in his last days

Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said he was confident Paddock had planned to flee but didn't give details... He also said Paddock would need superpowers to pull off his elaborate scheme without an accomplice... However, he said they were open to the possibility that he acted alone... Sources told NBC News that police are looking for a woman Paddock was seen with in his last days... Lombardo also said that there was no suicide note, despite a sheet of paper visible in a crime scene photo... Cameras set up by Paddock in the hallway, doorway and inside the hotel room were not recording anything

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Las Vegas gunman booked hotel rooms overlooking Chicago Lollapalooza festival two months ago where Malia Obama watched The Killers, Charli XCX and Muse

Hotel is located across the street from Lollapalooza festival area... Rooms were booked on the dates of the festival, overlooking the area... TMZ says Paddock, 64, never showed up for his bookings at the hotel.

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originally posted by: toysforadults
I find it weird that he escaped for ten years and only served 1 year following his capture...

Yes, I thought that very odd. Perhaps he was put to use by the gov. in some way.

People are probably being led by the nose on this and we are not seeing something else that is happening. The original reports, as usual, are very different already as far as the Mans personality and life.

Maybe the close approaches all month are more important.
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Thank you for posting!

I confess I'm totally stupid about this stuff -- echos, reports, sonic booms! -- so I can't really form any opinion with confidence. But it's good to know and keep in mind.

a reply to: SeaWorthy

The original reports, as usual, are very different already as far as the Mans personality and life.

They sure are! I found the brother's early interviews very very strange, starting with the fact that he consented to be interviewed to begin with. If one of my siblings had done this, I would be pissed. Absolutely furious. And I sure wouldn't have anything to say that could be repeated for public consumption.

But this brother sure downplayed it all. And you can't tell me he doesn't know the mental health history of his father, and quite likely himself and his brothers. And he had to have known that his brother was, um, at least a little on the antisocial side...

I can't tell anyone how to react to something like this, but this brother's whole schtick just doesn't sit right with me.

So far, everything supports my theory that this guy was a professional gun runner. He was the straw purchaser with a clean record who buys weapons for people who either can't buy them legally (ie, criminal record) or who don't want a paper trail leading back to them. His high-roller lifestyle (with planes and multiple houses) is easier to explain if he had illegal income, and his supposed track record as a successful gambler is much easier to explain if this was his method for laundering his illegal income.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: DigginFoTroof

Thank you for posting!

I confess I'm totally stupid about this stuff -- echos, reports, sonic booms! -- so I can't really form any opinion with confidence. But it's good to know and keep in mind.

I just find it odd that in 4-5 days, this is the first I've seen it.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Boadicea

Sheriff said no evidence of him recording himself.

Was for monitoring when anyone approached room... watching briefing.

This needs to be repeated, because there's a lot of disinformation floating around and I'm sure much of it is deliberate.

16 Unanswered Questions About The Las Vegas Shooting

1 -- Photos of Stephen Paddock’s hotel room have been leaked, and one of those photos appears to show a suicide note. Why hasn’t the public been told what is in that note?
2 -- Were there additional shooters?
3 -- Why were law enforcement authorities discussing “another suspect on the fourth floor”
4 -- It would have been impossible for Stephen Paddock to kill and wound 573 people in less than five minutes of shooting with the kinds of weapons that he is alleged to have used. So why won’t law enforcement authorities acknowledge this fact?
5 -- How in the world did Paddock get 42 guns and “several thousand rounds of ammo” into his hotel room without anyone noticing?
6 --How did someone with “no military background” and that wasn’t a “gun guy at all” operate such advanced weapons?
7 -- Why was one woman telling people in the crowd that they were all going to die45 minutes before the attack?
8 -- Why did it take law enforcement authorities 72 minutes to get into Stephen Paddock’s hotel room?
9 -- Why did Paddock wire $100,000 to the Philippines last week?
10 -- Why was Paddock’s girlfriend, Marilou Danley, in the Philippines when the attack took place? Did she know what was about to happen?
11 -- Was Paddock on antidepressants like so many other mass killers in the past have been?
12 -- Why was ISIS so eager to take responsibility for this attack, and why was the FBI so quick to dismiss that connection?
13 -- Apparently Paddock had earned millions of dollars “through real estate deals”. If he was so wealthy, why would he all of a sudden snap like that?
14 -- Why did he move so frequently? It is being reported that Paddock had 27 different residences during his adult life.
15 -- Why were nearly all of the exits out of the concert venue completely blocked?
16 -- Why was a country music festival chosen as the target? Was the goal to kill as many Trump supporters and other conservatives as possible? And is there evidence that Stephen Paddock was connected to Antifa in any way?

Some of these questions are more pertinent than others in my opinion... and some are not pertinent at all. There's more at the link. Just posting for informational purposes at this point.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
So far, everything supports my theory that this guy was a professional gun runner. He was the straw purchaser with a clean record who buys weapons for people who either can't buy them legally (ie, criminal record) or who don't want a paper trail leading back to them. His high-roller lifestyle (with planes and multiple houses) is easier to explain if he had illegal income, and his supposed track record as a successful gambler is much easier to explain if this was his method for laundering his illegal income.

That would be consistent with the missing gun -- the one he bought in Mesquite right before going to Vegas, but was not found in his room, his vehicles, or his homes. If he was the straw purchaser, he could have handed it off already. I'll be watching to see if any of the rounds found in the investigation are identified as coming from that firearm. But I won't be holding my breath. If we're supposed to believe it was just a lone gunman, that info won't see the light of day.

I am interested to hear more on the Security guard that was shot.

a reply to: DigginFoTroof

It is rather... um... uh... curious how some videos are so promoted that they become unavoidable while others are virtually lost in cyber space.

Things that make us go "hmmmmm"...

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
So far, everything supports my theory that this guy was a professional gun runner. He was the straw purchaser with a clean record who buys weapons for people who either can't buy them legally (ie, criminal record) or who don't want a paper trail leading back to them. His high-roller lifestyle (with planes and multiple houses) is easier to explain if he had illegal income, and his supposed track record as a successful gambler is much easier to explain if this was his method for laundering his illegal income.

That would be consistent with the missing gun -- the one he bought in Mesquite right before going to Vegas, but was not found in his room, his vehicles, or his homes. If he was the straw purchaser, he could have handed it off already. I'll be watching to see if any of the rounds found in the investigation are identified as coming from that firearm. But I won't be holding my breath. If we're supposed to believe it was just a lone gunman, that info won't see the light of day.

There was a stairwell right outside his room... I bet the 308 is on the roof or at a higher vantage point in the hotel. Unless someone found it and it hasn't been turned over yet

ETA- I'm not suggesting that law enforcement hasn't considered that yet