I have been contacted for a think group to help with hotel security after LV shooting.

a reply to: camain

no the problem really is more are simple than that. It is called SIN nature. all men have it. with the type of media programing and movies today they are literally being programed to carelessly do such atrocities.

There are many trying to think out this mans mind and seeking to now why. One thing I am not hearing is he motive could have been after seeing constant division in the US over the last few months, maybe his idea was motivated to try and show and bring America together.

A bit extreme, but for a man who may have been a sociopath/psychopath this might be just as viable diagnoses of his reasoning as any other. Use his suicide and the death of others to united then who had been divided.

JMHO.

Well, I guess I won't be checking into any Hotels in Vegas if they put that policy into place, and also if it goes country wide in some chains, I will be avoiding those too. I kind of look a little like a big biker, I am not into getting shot.

Now I got a good reason for us to save money, we don't trust the Hotel security anymore. That is going to be a good thing, the wife and I don't like to go traveling anymore, we have done enough in our lives already. A vacation will wear us right out.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Why should hotels be responsible?

Supermarkets, too? How about malls, put put courses, and all Arby's locations?

Let's have all these legal military grade weapons free for psychopaths to own and have private businesses monitor them. That makes sense.

originally posted by: Look2theSacredHeart
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Why should hotels be responsible?

Supermarkets, too? How about malls, put put courses, and all Arby's locations?

Let's have all these legal military grade weapons free for psychopaths to own and have private businesses monitor them. That makes sense.

Meth, coc aine, heroin are all illegal, yet people still get the substances all the time.

So tell me, do you think legal or otherwise, people who want something won't be able to find a way to get it?

I have a question for ya. You mentioned that the police response was quick but I read it was 70 minutes after the first bullets were fired before SWAT blew the door. Was that quick for this type of situation?

originally posted by: Rezlooper
I have a question for ya. You mentioned that the police response was quick but I read it was 70 minutes after the first bullets were fired before SWAT blew the door. Was that quick for this type of situation?

Yea, that is pretty quick, all things considered.

Usually, SWAT situations drag on for hours before any entry is tried as they usually go for negotiations first.

There were no negotiations in this instance, and they went in pretty blind. From the first bullet, to getting police dispatched, figuring out where the shooter was, requesting SWAT, having SWAT members assemble, get geared up, transport, move in, get door wired for entry.. That time frame is pretty quick. (There might be additional steps I am forgetting in the above list, too).

The security in a Las Vegas casino,is on par with the NSA,they have face recognition,you don't think they knew he had guns?,that is #1 in security,if they can do half of what they say,detecting guns is basic as can be,machines don't make mistakes humans do,anyone who has gone thru an airport knows this,and in house security isn't real quick on bringing insiders

The security in a Las Vegas casino,is on par with the NSA,they have face recognition,you don't think they knew he had guns?,that is #1 in security,if they can do half of what they say,detecting guns is basic as can be,machines don't make mistakes humans do,anyone who has gone thru an airport knows this,and in house security isn't real quick on bringing insiders

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Here's a sure fire solution: Turn back the clock to the era when the mafia ran Vegas. The asshole would have been dealt with well before 72 minutes had elapsed, that's for damn sure. The mob, for all of the crimes and associated problems, ran a tight ship and kept it largely out of the concerns of John Q. Public. Unless you were cheating the house or decided to butt into things that weren't your business, the average American could enjoy a fairly safe and enjoyable trip to Vegas (or Atlantic City or Chicago, for that matter.)

Best suggestion so far!

a reply to: Look2theSacredHeart

seems none of his weapon were military grade. He modified all his weapons himself and so far he had planned this for some time to modified so many weapons as he did.

He was rich and he could afford top of the line rifles, and he had to learn how to install and use the bump stop with a rifle.

Our meeting today was good, it mentioned some of the things we had suggested, I was not the only to come up with idea of trained armed security that could be utilized as police department in case of war, riots and others situations not just as ones like this in LV.

He studied this hotel out, he knew people they knew him he was not one their watch lists as someone of interest to them or to be monitor. The conclusion he has been thinking of this and planning for well over a few months.

I did get a hit from one of the leaders of our groups for this thread as being questionable. As part of our agreement made a few years ago I have to reveal all the websites I frequent which are few. ATS is one of them, and they watch this site anyway, they said they wouldn't have but the idea to get civilian input Ideas they thought was a good one. I usually only participate in what interests me here which is religion and beliefs for that is what my interests is more than all others. A changed life event back in 1989 really changed me and a few years later I got saved. But those things in my past is what makes me more compatible for this sort of thing.

I mentioned that we seldom take the time to hear or listen to those who could be the soft target themselves i.e. the average Joe in the street not just military, police but form doctors and nurses and even gun owners and hunters have ideas that could very well add to a final idea on what best to stop events as this or terrorist event. with properly trained gun owner could be able to be of use in any of these situations. Though any of us at anytime could be put into a soft target situation. It is how we are prepared and how we act at those times that is of importance.

Being overly prepared is better than under prepared. One man with training to keep cool and calm can be of more help than 15 who have to get equipped to get to the sight even when it is on their own grounds. What limits us with using the computer options are the privacy acts already in place in the govt. But we must give up something to get something. If you want more protection then certain rights must be forfeited. But those rights that are limited will be only to certain things for a very limited time.

Are we willing to let the places we go protect us when we arrive onto their property so we don't need to carry concealed weapons. Obvious small institutions would not have the funds and abilities but larger one do. Apple has one of the best security systems both in a private police force and computer security on and for their employees. But yet gave up many of their copyrights and patents to China which also included computerized military devices.

All ideas on how to stop this is not banning but training and placement of some sort of on sight force to immediate confrontations and to assist in large attacks say by domestic or foreign terrorist.

Ok there was an idea which through in retrospect does not seem as the best course of action but was accepted by a majority of the group as a viable course of Action for future firearm sales and current legal firearm owners. This page maybe totally erased either I or ATS may be forced to comply to erase this thread or post. But I hope many will read this before that happens.

An Idea was presented by a gun manufacturing representative. His idea is about having all firearms created with a computer GPS and activation of use chip or AUC. It seems that it is already in production. If passed by congress in a closed session of course, all new firearms will be made with these chips.

The chips allow the weapons to be allowed to be tracked and activate for firing. i.e. at home you will have a certain code given you by the FBI to activate you firearm for home defense (of course it does not prevent home suicide use), once out of range of the home the chip deactivates the firing ability of the firearm. If you go to a range via a port or wifi an activation code for firing is downloaded to allow the gun to fire. Once away from the range it automatically disables the firearm. This will be on all new firearms. All registered firearms will be by law required to have a GPS chip placed in the firearm for tracking. They say in case of theft but it could be used for tracking the gun at all times.

If these newer guns have either the Anti-firing chip or GPS chips disabled by magnetic or a hack the gun is locked and cannot be fired. Rendering the gun useless for any purpose in home or out of home. The older ones will still be able to fire even if the GPS chip is hacked or corrupted.

The fact that this type of advanced tech is already in production without public knowledge is frightening.

I expect this post will be required to be removed from outside pressures to ATS or I will be forced to remove it my self.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

So do your "alphabet agency" friends know you are posting this for the public? Or is this all made up? As someone who has held a security clearance previously.... You sign confidentiality assurances when you undertake these sorts of thing

a reply to: Noinden

I have some security clearances I bet you can't pass?

For example I can legally own an automatic weapon. 10 to one says you can't.

But I can't just walk into the white house either.

I can go into places at the airport you are not allowed because of my clearance, and I can go onto area 51 in Nevada where you can't. But even there I can only go so far and see so much. No aliens I guarantee you, if there are I didn't see any evidence them. But I did seen some really unusual aircraft that were quite unique.

a reply to: ChesterJohn
I will take that's s an admission of this being a fantasy then.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Was this a dream you had?

a reply to: Noinden

Yes they do, I stated that in the OP nothing, I shared is top secret we are just a group of men and women who are part of a think group. I can't give you the name because it would give away my identity. I was warned though not to give away to much info


That is why I use general statements of what was discuss and try not to give to much info. I did give a suggestion that was sent to me via the PM here on ATS.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Call me a cynic. But no. This is one big fantasy. As shown by Your gun thread. The only "alphabet agency" you are likedly in contact is one that has a program that is duodecimal.

a reply to: Noinden

jealous much?