Our Callous Congress Forgot To Renew CHIP - 9 Million Children Could Lose Healthcare.

a reply to: Aazadan

lol....
what healthcare reform..
the danged republicans couldn't agree with each other on it and instead of trying to bring in some dems, they decided to coddle the far right.... non-rinos.... I guess.. and try to pass something that only the far right could accept!

originally posted by: Willtell
It’s amazing how we complicate what’s so simple.

IF people would just stop being greedy, selfish and I hate to say
RACIST


If you noticed Europe, nor Canada, nor any developing third world country is ever debating about giving their own citizens health care, particularly children...they don’t have these problems.

They don’t have these problems because they don’t have what’s equivalent to what America has: a Republican party

Cool, move to Europe if it's so great. Or Canada, or any other developed third world country.

They can afford these programs because their GDP isn't being swallowed by their militaries being the world's police force.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Aazadan

lol....
what healthcare reform..
the danged republicans couldn't agree with each other on it and instead of trying to bring in some dems, they decided to coddle the far right.... non-rinos.... I guess.. and try to pass something that only the far right could accept!

Basically... shrink the government through inaction. It's the long term Republican strategy. They don't need to defund anything, all they have to do is be so dysfunctional that they can't renew anything, and they eventually win.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Xtrozero
yes, just a handfull of republican rinos who refused to allow their vote to be bought off via the typical wheeling and dealing that happens in congress all the time because they believed that the passage of the healthcare bills that they were being bribed to vote for was gonna harm far too many of the people they were voted to represent....

are you saying that there are only just a handful of republicans that have any integrity in congress??

Wow lol ok...

So unless the Republicans do what the Liberals want they are bad?... ACA is a failure, the liberals knew that from day one. It has hurt more than it has help and soon we will all pay the piper on that bill if we do not replace it with something. What do you want? Sanders bill would increase EVERYONE's taxes by 80% to cover it, is that the answer for you? The system under the insurance umbrella is broken and not affordable for the Government.

All this is not on Trump...he has said he has pen in hand waiting...

The Republican Party can almost be analogous to ISIS, not literally, since as bad as they are their not that bad, but in terms of antiquated, sectarian, selfish, greedy, backward, ignorant thinking, they are as much a menace to human development as ISIS is.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Well assuming the Republicans forgot, he could have reminded Congress he needed money for CHIPS. He could have shown them the letter from Utah HHS reminding him of 60,000 Utah children.

I don't buy they forgot.

originally posted by: Throes

originally posted by: Willtell
It’s amazing how we complicate what’s so simple.

IF people would just stop being greedy, selfish and I hate to say
RACIST


If you noticed Europe, nor Canada, nor any developing third world country is ever debating about giving their own citizens health care, particularly children...they don’t have these problems.

They don’t have these problems because they don’t have what’s equivalent to what America has: a Republican party

Cool, move to Europe if it's so great. Or Canada, or any other developed third world country.

They can afford these programs because their GDP isn't being swallowed by their militaries being the world's police force.

No body said Europe was a paradise. All I said was at least THEY HAVE THE BASIC COMMON SENSE AND DECENCY TO GIVE ALL THEIR POPULATION SOME LEVEL OF DECENT HEALTH CARE.
America doesn't even have that

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Xtrozero
yes, just a handfull of republican rinos who refused to allow their vote to be bought off via the typical wheeling and dealing that happens in congress all the time because they believed that the passage of the healthcare bills that they were being bribed to vote for was gonna harm far too many of the people they were voted to represent....

are you saying that there are only just a handful of republicans that have any integrity in congress??

Wow lol ok...

So unless the Republicans do what the Liberals want they are bad?... ACA is a failure, the liberals knew that from day one. It has hurt more than it has help and soon we will all pay the piper on that bill if we do not replace it with something. What do you want? Sanders bill would increase EVERYONE's taxes by 80% to cover it, is that the answer for you? The system under the insurance umbrella is broken and not affordable for the Government.

All this is not on Trump...he has said he has pen in hand waiting...

It was the way it was because the GOP didn't want to give ANY health care in 2010. NOT ONE voted for a health care bill

They didn't have the votes to get a great ACA because too many democrats were acting like Republicans.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Also, do you have any source that states that medical facilities will let children die or deliberately kill children because of government not funding a program?

Are you hearing yourself right now? It sounds like you're saying we should force doctors and hospitals to treat people for free.

Forced, uncompensated labor.

Helping kids is good, making sure those who help kids get paid is good too.

You do know that there is a law that says hospitals cannot refuse treatment, don't you?

originally posted by: Willtell
The Republican Party can almost be analogous to ISIS, not literally, since as bad as they are their not that bad, but in terms of antiquated, sectarian, selfish, greedy, backward, ignorant thinking, they are as much a menace to human development as ISIS is.

And one wonders why the middle is so empty....

I guess when you talk healthcare one needs to ask why is healthcare in America the most expensive in the world, by far...When I get an MRI while in the hospital and it cost 15,000 and the same MRI with the same tech as an outpatient costs 4,000 one just says WTF. When meds cost 10 times than across either border one just says WTF. When a simple visit to the doctors cost 600 one just says WTF...

The system is broken and we nor the Government can pay for it...

a reply to: Xtrozero

Funny thing is, the government is the one that sets the prices due to Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement.

If hospitals and doctors charged less, they wouldn't get reimbursed.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
You do know that there is a law that says hospitals cannot refuse treatment, don't you?

They still get paid, just not by that person they're treating.

Most of the states have enough in their matched federal funds to last through March 2018.

There is probably a redundancy factor somewhere that is being examined.

efficientgov.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Republicans control the House, the Senate, the White House, and 82% of elected seats in the country. As the article points out, some states will begin running out of CHIP $$$ next week. Children will start suffering and selfish/callous Republicans will be the reason why.

Democrats will score a lot of points as Chuck Schumer sheds tears. But because they remained silent about the impending Sept 30th expiration of CHIP funding, there's willful neglect on their part, as well

What could the Democrats have done? The Speaker of the House is the only one who can bring any bill to the floor in the House of Representatives, and he's a Republican. The Senate Majority Leader is the only one who can bring any bill to the floor in the Senate, and he's also a Republican. And clearly the Republican President doesn't care, seeing as he's too busy tweeting about the NFL & NBA.

And like you said, apparently Republicans control 82% of the elected seats in the country. The responsibility lies on them. The vast majority of districts in this country are under Republican leadership. They control the majority of the country's Governorships and State Legislatures, both Chambers of Congress, the Presidency, and the Supreme Court, yet they still can't get proper legislation passed or existing programs renewed. So if they forgot about their own constituents, supporters, neighbors, and families, that's their own fault.

At this point, I can't decide if it's gross incompetence or completely intentional. After all, many people on the right are in favor of shutting down the federal government & greatly reducing the size of the federal govt. In fact, the actual strategy is called "Starving the Beast".

I did a little research of my own, and indeed this is on the Republican leadership. Democrats and Republicans had actually hammered out an agreement to extend CHIP several weeks ago. But the Republicans simply never brought it to a vote. Here's an article from Sept 13 about it:

Senate Republican and Democratic bargainers reached agreement late Tuesday to extend financing for the children's health insurance program for five years, a pact that if approved would avert an end-of-month cash crunch for the popular program.

In a concession to Republicans, the agreement would phase out extra federal funds that have gone to states for the program since the additional money was mandated as part of President Barack Obama's 2010 health care law.

Money for the federal-state program is due to expire at the end of September. The program provides health coverage to around 8 million low-income children and pregnant women.

It was initially unclear how the agreement would fare in the Senate and the House.

But the two negotiators — Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, and that panel's top Democrat, Ron Wyden of Oregon — work closely with party leaders. In addition, having embarrassingly failed in this year's attempt to repeal Obama's health care statute, Republicans and President Donald Trump are eager for an accomplishment and would be unlikely to stymie the continuation of such a widely supported initiative.

Senate reaches deal on extending children's health insurance program

a reply to: Xtrozero

like I said, at least obama tried, there were many hearings, how long did it take for them to hash out that plan...
compared to the republican's let's push it through before we end up having to expect any dems to go along with the plan??
what's their plan now?? to shelve the whole idea and let things go to hell and use it to tell their base that they need a super majority in congress to get anything done???

how about they both lay their danged politics at the door, come together, think out of the box, since in the box seems to be a complete failure, and try to come up with solutions? INSURANCE isn't the solution it's part of the problem...
that would be a good starting point...
and why the heck is it that the gov't programs will pay for a mother to bring in her kid for something as simple of a runny nose... because she wants to wants to be assured it's just a cold....
but someone can be laying in a bed with a broken ankle and be told that sorry, unless you have an insurance card or a $2000 down payment you are out of luck, nope, aint gonna do the surgery for you?? the healthcare system has sucked for a long time.. mainly because everyone wants a cut in the action, all those middle men, who quite frankly do nothing really to treat people, but most often make far more money that anyone actually producing the meds, treating the sick, or nursing them to health! that is where the problem is, that is where they should be focused! getting rid of the middle me, like the insurance companies, or at least making it less profitable for them. getting the cost down to an affordable level!!
instead, all we do is argue over who should and who shouldn't be given the healthcare...
like we are here, oh ya, they are children, we all know that they should be given all the healthcare in the world.
who cares about the adult with broken bones, or is finding hard to come up with the money for their insulin...
mothers of those young children, oh, ya, we should be concerned about them getting the care they need...
the dad's though, not so much so, huh??
it's insane!!!
it's insane when an employee goes to their employer and asks how much it would cost to add their kid to the health plan and instead of getting a quote are told to just go child health plan because the employer knows full well that health plan would eat up most of their earnings.
it's insane when a big store chain like walmart does a study to see just how much a small cut in food stamps will affect their bottom line.
not only it is insane, but it's a sign that there is a much bigger problem that seems to be ignored by most everyone.

we have gone far too long with too many ways to cover up the actual cost of living in this country. from easy access to credit to gov't programs, to insurance gimmicks, people have been allowed to go through their daily lives living on paychecks that don't really provide the needed essentials to live.

we would need ten year, or twenty year, maybe even longer before we could cut even the working class out off these programs. and we would need to be looking at the entire picture, not just this little segment or that one to come up with that plan. and we needed to start working on that plan a decade or so ago. now it's probably too late.
so, well, ya, send the working class into poverty, and watch the whole economy collapse... I am sure you think that you will escape unscathed.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

my understanding is,as late as last week both the senate and house voted to delay the vote for funding.
i would like to see the vote count on that to see just who and what way they voted.

that there would tell the tale of who voted for what and why a established bipartisan program's funding was allowed to lapse. i doubt that the vote followed party lines.
regardless it falls on both.


ETA: i can't find the articles i read them in, i thought they were The Atlantic and The Hill, if anyone cares to look for them.

or it could be thing are starting to get a little blurry due to the 12 oz curls this afternoon.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

the tax cuts should come first ya know...
those rich tycoons have waited far too long..

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Well, I can't really comment on that until I see what you're talking about. However, the OP's own link says the following:

What happened? The simple answer is that congressional Republicans’ last harebrained attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act got in the way. A funding bill for CHIP seemed to be well on its way to enactment until a week or so ago. That’s when the effort to pass the egregious Cassidy-Graham repeal bill sucked all the air out of the legislative room.

Agreement on a bill had been reached in mid-September by Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). “Momentum was building,” says Bruce Lesley, president of First Focus, a children’s advocacy group in Washington. Then came Cassidy-Graham, and “we couldn’t even get a meeting,” Lesley says. “No one was even taking our calls.”

and more importantly this (remember that Hatch is a Republican):

Utah sent a warning Sept. 15 to Medicaid administrators that the state would have to roll up CHIP starting immediately if funding wasn’t enacted by Saturday. Utah’s senior senator is Hatch, who co-founded CHIP with Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) in 1997 and has called providing children’s healthcare “a moral responsibility,” but couldn’t manage to move a funding bill to the floor in time.

It also adds this, which has even more significance now that Price resigned:

By the way, if you’re wondering why Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price hasn’t bothered to sound the alarm about CHIP funding, which falls within his bailiwick, consider that as a Georgia legislator he voted twice against expanding the program in his state.

And this is from the OP's own link.

a reply to: dawnstar

what's their plan now?? to shelve the whole idea and let things go to hell and use it to tell their base that they need a super majority in congress to get anything done???

Nailed it.