He went to ICE to tell agents he had gotten into college Now he and his brother have been deported

a reply to: Metallicus

Pssst...El Salvador...it's El Salvador.

Not all Hispanic countries look alike

originally posted by: Aazadan
Seems like a poor reason. That's just justifying giving the scholarship to a less qualified person. If you want America to be competitive with the rest of the world, you can't create an unfair playing field where only Americans can get an education. Rigging things in your favor is a way to lose your edge and go downhill.

Number one, you have no idea that the scholarship was given solely based on skills or merit--many scholarships take into account affirmative action based on one's race or country of origin.

Secondly, America IS competitive with the rest of the world (leading in many areas, such as medical innovation or technological inventions), so if you're basing your assessment that we are not competitive by things like arbitrary test scores and the like, move on.

In the same breath that you're saying that Americans aren't competitive with the rest of the world, you then go on to complain that it isn't fair that only Americans can get an education--which is it, are we not competitive, or do we have one of the best education systems and by following our federal laws, we're "creat[ing] an unfair playing field?" Have cake, or eat it...which one?

It's not "rigging things" by enforcing our immigration laws--Obama was rigging things by ignoring them. Just because the poor decision to illegally enter the country on behalf of these two brothers (and many others in America) is not coming back to haunt them, it's not equivalent to rigging a system or messing around with some fabricated playing field.

#ing idiots.
They should have jumped back across the border the second they realized that they were here illegally. Then they could have done things the RIGHT and LEGAL way.

DRAIN TEH SWAMP!!1

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: seasonal
Well the person was not supposed to be here.

Merit does not change immigration status.

Seems like a poor reason. That's just justifying giving the scholarship to a less qualified person. If you want America to be competitive with the rest of the world, you can't create an unfair playing field where only Americans can get an education. Rigging things in your favor is a way to lose your edge and go downhill.

lots of people come here legally to get an American education. There is a pathway just for this. These brothers did not take this pathway

Since 2009, they neither attempted to naturalize or bring their elderly relatives to the "safety" of the US, instead leaving them there in a place they describe as too dangerous for the boys.

What did they expect when they "went to tell ICE..."? Hey look at us, we are here illegally and we intend to stay!

Lets hope the parent have their bags packed so they can take care of their elders back in that dangerous place. The boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Sounds like a story meant for the silver screen; a prodigal family returning to their country and elders who they had left behind in a dangerous place, now fully grown and educated they take El Salvador by storm and rouse up the grass roots and turn the country around! M.E.S.G.A.!

a reply to: xuenchen

I would like to invite you and every other user her to go and look at the legal potential you have for becoming a citizen in any other country.

What does this tell you?

It should tell you, they've got enough of their own problems, and they don't want you. So why in the holy f*** would you try to go there illegally? What in the hell do you expect if you do?

What, are we supposed to welcome you because you got a damned college degree when you VIOLATED OUR LAWS TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Let me repeat that....

YOU VIOLATE OUR LAWS IN TO COME HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE

originally posted by: Woodcarverlots of people come here legally to get an American education. There is a pathway just for this. These brothers did not take this pathway

They came here against their will at 11 years old. They grew up here, and the country became their home. Why should they be the ones to leave and lose an education when it wasn't their fault they were here illegally?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Woodcarverlots of people come here legally to get an American education. There is a pathway just for this. These brothers did not take this pathway

They came here against their will at 11 years old. They grew up here, and the country became their home. Why should they be the ones to leave and lose an education when it wasn't their fault they were here illegally?

But it was their fault for not correcting their status by legal means.

They got sucked in by the last Administration's cheap BS.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
In the same breath that you're saying that Americans aren't competitive with the rest of the world, you then go on to complain that it isn't fair that only Americans can get an education--which is it, are we not competitive, or do we have one of the best education systems and by following our federal laws, we're "creat[ing] an unfair playing field?" Have cake, or eat it...which one?

You don't maintain your edge by rigging the system. Were they harming anyone? It sounded like they were living here, obeying the laws, working, and going to school. Exactly what we want people to do.

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

Why shouldn't they?

originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: Aazadan
Seems like a poor reason. That's just justifying giving the scholarship to a less qualified person. If you want America to be competitive with the rest of the world, you can't create an unfair playing field where only Americans can get an education. Rigging things in your favor is a way to lose your edge and go downhill.

Number one, you have no idea that the scholarship was given solely based on skills or merit--many scholarships take into account affirmative action based on one's race or country of origin.

Secondly, America IS competitive with the rest of the world (leading in many areas, such as medical innovation or technological inventions), so if you're basing your assessment that we are not competitive by things like arbitrary test scores and the like, move on.

In the same breath that you're saying that Americans aren't competitive with the rest of the world, you then go on to complain that it isn't fair that only Americans can get an education--which is it, are we not competitive, or do we have one of the best education systems and by following our federal laws, we're "creat[ing] an unfair playing field?" Have cake, or eat it...which one?

It's not "rigging things" by enforcing our immigration laws--Obama was rigging things by ignoring them. Just because the poor decision to illegally enter the country on behalf of these two brothers (and many others in America) is not coming back to haunt them, it's not equivalent to rigging a system or messing around with some fabricated playing field.

As an amarican I can't go to any country without their permission. No country would allow me in just because I want to. I have to get approval yet it seems that people expect us to act differently from the rest of the world.even Mexico doesn't allow illegals and when caught deports them. I don't get why people think we should be any different if you want to come here apply for citizenship.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

Why shouldn't they?

Because it doesn't benefit us to expel brainower, especially to send them to die as freedom fighters in a country they don't identify with.

originally posted by: Aazadan
You don't maintain your edge by rigging the system.

Again, and for the final time...nothing was "rigged," and I'm starting to thing that you're mistaken as to what the definition of "to rig" means.

Were they harming anyone? It sounded like they were living here, obeying the laws, working, and going to school. Exactly what we want people to do.

Now you're pulling in a red-herring arguments (whether they were directly harming anyone is irrelevant to the law) and you're trying to appeal to emotion.

The immigration laws are pretty straight-forward, and so to be living within the borders of America without valid permission when you're not a citizen--well, that's not exactly "obeying the laws," as you claim that they were doing. Furthermore, I'm surprised that more isn't being done about their parents, who were obviously aiding these guys who were here illegally.

The problem with your way of thinking is that you approach the situation with the idea that (paraphrased), "Well, since they weren't doing anything wrong in my opinion, we should ignore the law and leave them alone."

What you fail to accept and acknowledge is that every minute that they are in the country illegally, which, for the sake of argument, we'll say (pretend) started only when the 'stay of removal' expired some time apparently in 2013 or 2014, they have been breaking the law intentionally and overtly.

If you don't like the laws, you should be advocating to change them, but to pick and choose when they should apply based on the criteria that you put forth in your comment is a blatant disregard for the rule of law. This is one of the main issues that I have with politicians, and Obama was the king--I'd like to move away from that sort of leadership, not advocate for more of it.

originally posted by: dragonridr
I don't get why people think we should be any different if you want to come here apply for citizenship.

Because too many people think with their hearts other than their brains, and when it comes to immigration, a bleeding heart is not an appropriate organ with which to form one's stance.

More importantly, why don't people acknowledge personal responsibility and the rule of law instead of making it out to seem like these people who come here and live illegally are just victims of a rigged or unfair system.

a reply to: xuenchen

he was a,

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

They arent legally here, they have family and a home in El Salvador. They had time to apply for citizenship, instead of trying to apply for extensions every so often.

Why should they stay?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

Why shouldn't they?

Because it doesn't benefit us to expel brainower, especially to send them to die as freedom fighters in a country they don't identify with.

brainower is a terrible thing to waste

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ButterfingerThe boys are smart and educated(your welcome) so they can fix their homeland so their relatives arent in danger anymore. They will have no problem providing for family being young and full of vigor.

Why should they have to do that?

Why shouldn't they?

Because it doesn't benefit us to expel brainower, especially to send them to die as freedom fighters in a country they don't identify with.

Die?

FFS its only el salvador not bloody Syria or a Famine stricken African hell hole.

Its not the USA sure but its habitable.

What a wonderful nation we have become when we applaud cruelty, denounce empathy, and reward prejudice. These men were unable to become citizens (we wouldn't either let them or give them a path to citizenship), so for everyone lambasting them for having 'wasted' 8 years, there was no time wasted, we simply wouldn't let them become citizens.

Some of the posters above me have already touched upon the fact that deporting them effectively puts them right in the hands of transnational gangs (as this is their primary method of recruitment - disaffected young men abused by an unfair system).

I especially like how so many conservative minded folks here would rather put their relatively underperforming child in place of these young men solely because they were born here and 'deserve' it more. That seems like the opposite of a merit based system. That seems like the opposite of 'path to citizenship. That seems like the opposite of what Trump says when he remarks we want 'intelligent highly skilled immigrants'.