The Looked Left when Trump went Right. the Wall BEGINS

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It appears while fighting healthcare reform bills on Obamacare, they Democrats lost sight of Trump's plans to Build a Wall and failed to act.
Meanwhile Trump supporters managed to pass a Titanic Cash Cow to his Military and Wall, which allowed him to make good on both his claim to make the US military the most powerful in the world and his campaign to build a wall.

Interesting.

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Doesn't this have to go to Congress now? Also, isn't that "wall money" already set aside for the current wall/fence repairs and upgrades, and not for building Trump's wall, per say?

a reply to: Catscratch


How dare he start to secure the border from "illegal" entry.....


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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Catscratch


Doesn't this have to go to Congress now? Also, isn't that "wall money" already set aside for the current wall/fence repairs and upgrades, and not for building Trump's wall, per say?

Yes. This isn't a law yet. The Senate still needs to take it up and pass it.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Catscratch


Doesn't this have to go to Congress now? Also, isn't that "wall money" already set aside for the current wall/fence repairs and upgrades, and not for building Trump's wall, per say?

You're correct.

But that doesn't make Trump look like some crazy like a fox 4D chess player.

originally posted by: Catscratch
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It appears while fighting healthcare reform bills on Obamacare, they Democrats lost sight of Trump's plans to Build a Wall and failed to act.
Meanwhile Trump supporters managed to pass a Titanic Cash Cow to his Military and Wall, which allowed him to make good on both his claim to make the US military the most powerful in the world and his campaign to build a wall.

Interesting.

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The house approved the spending. Now the bill has to pass the senate. Then the president has to sign.

The $1.6 billion would be specifically allocated for physical barriers in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas and in San Diego, Calif.

The Hill Anyone familiar with the actual budget process knows that when the house "allocated" any funds, that does not mean squat. The congress then has to "appropriate" those funds for any money to be spent.
In short, many projects have had allocations, but no appropriations. In most instances, the appropriation is very small at first, and if things work out well, later appropriations are made. But, a multi-year project like the Wall is subject to politics, so they could get some Wall "seed money," then the mid-terms roll around, another party gets in, and the funds are cut off.

Appropriation is a law that authorizes the expenditure of funds for a given purpose.

A bill that specifies how much money can be spent on a given federal program. Reviewed by Appropriations subcommittees in both the House and Senate, appropriations bills must also be approved by the full House and Senate before being signed by the president to become law.

Federal Glossary

a reply to: Catscratch

Well, it's not really surprising they would do that, since those promises got them elected.

Peace and security are only possible from a position of strength, so a strong military is critical to survival. Only the fringe is opposed to a strong military and even many if not most on the Left are for a strong military. It would be suicidal to not be in that camp. It's irrational to be against that, no matter what side a person is on.

The Wall is debatable. It may or may not be the best way to control the border, that remains to be seen. It is also rational though to want to protect against terrorists, human traffickers and drug cartels. Drug cartels are out of control and human trafficking is said to be on the rise, so the old status quo is not exactly working and that screams that something needs to be done.

The highest priority of government is to protect it's citizens is it not? I think this is the wrong thing to be against. It's at the very least the least logical thing to be against. To be opposed to this is to be opposed to doing something about drug cartels, human traffickers and a secure country. It's hard to see it any other way.

While I did not support Trump and my opinion of him just keeps going down, I'd never fault anyone in office for making national security and the security of citizens a priority. There are dangerous people going back and forth across the border and the world is not even remotely a safe place. The idea of a weak military is not rational.

a reply to: slider1982

Right... because they don't make and sell ladders in mexico.

Or can figure a way over the wall.

Yeah your right, leave it open why bother. Gets us cheap slaves and good heroine. Who needs borders, just more MS13 cultural enrichment!a reply to: grey580

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I don't think anyone lost sight of the NDAA. There's not much to resist in it. The funding wasn't for Trump's wall but the already existing pieces of physical border we have.

ETA: Looks like I was wrong about the wall.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Catscratch


Doesn't this have to go to Congress now? Also, isn't that "wall money" already set aside for the current wall/fence repairs and upgrades, and not for building Trump's wall, per say?

You're correct.

But that doesn't make Trump look like some crazy like a fox 4D chess player.

Read the transcript of his speech to the Boy Scouts. That's not the talk of a chess player/strategist.

A lot of us left-wingers knew about this budget item but it's not up for vote right now. We do know that there's been some marking of land by the Army Corps of Engineers and at least ONE attempt by one of their contractors to clear land in a designated environmentally protected zone here in Texas.

Obamacare, however, is the active issue for now. When this comes up in the budget debates, you can expect to see more noise from us.

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Or like every other country in the world you come down hard in the real criminals. The employers.

Real mystery there. If they can't work they stick out pretty badly. And then get deported.


So now we have 12-20 million. Time to naturalize the ones willing and deport those not. Deporting that many is impossible.

So close the boarder start confiscating employers wealth and use it to naturalized the people who own homes and have been working here and are willing to become us citizens.

Let me guess your willing to double your grocery bill to get rid of them all..

a reply to: Blaine91555

Our best defense on the border... legalize prostitution and drugs.

You can bet that every dollar that gets spent on the mexican border is part of Trumps promise

a reply to: Kali74

Legalizing it won't stop the black market trade. Just look at the reality of legalized recreational weed in some States. The prices drive the users back to black market drugs, as they are cheaper.

I actually agree with legalizing those things, but I'm under no delusion it would stop the illegal trade. It won't.

a reply to: Blaine91555

Actually the black Market in Colorado was almost crushed. About 25 percent use it compared to 100 in non legal states.

Any way you cut it your math doesn't work.

Even 90 percent black market is a cut correct?

Trump lied. AGAIN!

He said he'd make them pay for it. Now, it looks like we'll pay for it. Pay extra for healthcare bad. Pay extra for border wall good.

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I get the arguments against the "Wall", but is a weaker military considering the state of the world reasonable when our enemies are ratcheting up their own?

Believing peace only comes through strength in a divided world is a very rational position in my mind.

originally posted by: slider1982
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How dare he start to secure the border from "illegal" entry.....

And "illegal" exit too...

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Blaine91555

Our best defense on the border... legalize prostitution and drugs.

Why stop there? Let's just go ahead and legalize anything that's proving difficult to enforce laws on or has a contingency of left-leaners who are sympathetic to the plight of current criminals. Rape? Make it legal... Theft? That's a tough nut to crack, so best to just adopt a Chinese auction style law that allows folks to grab whatever they want. Corruption and bribery? Hell now, we all know politicians and people in power are gonna grift, why fight the tide of the river?

No, all of this is ridiculous BS. Our best defense on the border is to ACTUALLY DEFEND THE BORDER. The Wall is a good idea to incorporate into that defense, as would be stationing national guardsmen along that wall, armed and ready to resolve illegal crossings with a degree of force which will ultimately serve as the best deterrent known to mankind.