Jihadi knife rampage in Hamburg supermarket

a reply to: DerBeobachter

It's on the BBC news site. Pretty reliable source, I would have thought.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
The German media will likely have been ordered to downplay and soft peddle muslim violence in the nation.
. a reply to: DerBeobachter

Was waiting for that.
But believe me, if there is any simple chance to turn something into a "muslim terror attack", "our protectors" would use that chance. You know, people need an enemy and have to be scared, anxious, so that the rulers can rule.

I bet the only reason that this didn´t turn this into a "muslim terror attack"(isn´t it terror if it isn´t muslim???) and didn´t tell us that big brother needs to grow, because of such incidents, is the simple reason that there were too much eye- amd earwitnesses on-site.

a reply to: CulturalResilience

I bet the guy is actually a white drug addict that simply said allah akbar to divert attention. Yall do realize it is easy to throw out a false description of yourself??
For example, somebody can commit a crime with a few lossely practiced phrases from a different language. Lets say Spanish. Someone hears spanish during the crime, then BAM! People are looking for a spanish guy and begin to drum the immigrant debate.

Someone could wear dark clothes and a ski mask and simply color his exposed skin darker. Now everybody is looking for a black man. Or some idiot could just yell allah akbar and everybody immediately is searching for another reason to justfiy hating Muslims.

Try to understand when your mind is being played for pgy-ops reasons and two minutes hate. It may help you understand the world better.

originally posted by: CJCrawley
a reply to: DerBeobachter

It's on the BBC news site. Pretty reliable source, I would have thought.

But i watched the main, tax sponsored MSM news, Tagesschau, on ARD, here in germany. And nothing about Allahu Akbar or similiar. The report on Hamburg finished some minutes ago, i watched the news just because of that, to look if they turn it into a "muslim terror thing" to grow big brother.
But nothing, and if "they" can use something to grow big brother, they will use it, as we learned the last years, decades.

originally posted by: tribal

genuine question...i have been debating this in my mind alot.



just curious, what do you suppose the value is in publishing or spreading these stories? Do you think they will ever generate enough outrage for people to do something or do you think its basically just "fear porn" ?

Pretty much fear porn, and it also inspires certain folks to get a reaffirmation of their world view. Note that this stuff was not posted, much less mentioned:
This is something to be afraid of, and you don't have to go to Europe to get it:

HALF MOON BAY — One man is dead and another is in custody following a fight near Fernandez Park inHalf Moon Bay, the San Mateo County Sheriff’s Office said. Deputies were called at 7 p.m. Thursday to the 800 block of Main Street after the report of a fight. They found two men on the ground in front of a residence with “visible injuries,” said Detective Sal Zuno. Zuno said one man was bleeding heavily from a stab wound to his neck. Sheriff’s deputies and Cal Fire personnel gave him CPR for a “significant amount of time,” but he died at the scene. The second man was taken into custody. Neither of their names was released and it wasn’t immediately clear what they were fighting about, but Zuno said both men were in their 50s.

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SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Police are looking for an assailant and witnesses after an attack left two men injured in a shooting and possible stabbing overnight in downtown Salt Lake City. Salt Lake police Lt. Dave Cracroft tells KSL-TV that officers responding to reports of gunfire on West North Temple found a man with a gunshot wound a few blocks west of Interstate 15. He was taken to Intermountain Medical Center in critical condition. Cracroft says another man with an apparent stab wound was admitted in serious condition after he was driven by friends to a nearby hospital.Police questioned a man found running from the shooting scene, but Cracroft says he's an apparent witness and not the assailant.

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Or that no one ever mentions that 35, 000 Americans died from firearms last year.
Google "how many people got shot today," and keep up with all the really exciting statistics!
Toll for the last 72 hours: 91 Citizens of the US have died in gun violence, and 178 injured!
Place you bets now for who will win the big news poll tomorrow - a single crazy guy in Europe who is a Muslim, or the roughly 1,000 or so Americans who will try, with great overall success, to kill their fellow Americans?

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
has the "not related to terrorism" lie been broadcasted yet?
a reply to: pavil

No. They just said that at they can´t say anything about the motives of the attacker, even if he got arrested. And that they can´t say if it was a terror attack or nor. Nothing more!

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CulturalResilience

I bet the guy is actually a white drug addict that simply said allah akbar to divert attention. Yall do realize it is easy to throw out a false description of yourself??
For example, somebody can commit a crime with a few lossely practiced phrases from a different language. Lets say Spanish. Someone hears spanish during the crime, then BAM! People are looking for a spanish guy and begin to drum the immigrant debate.

Someone could wear dark clothes and a ski mask and simply color his exposed skin darker. Now everybody is looking for a black man. Or some idiot could just yell allah akbar and everybody immediately is searching for another reason to justfiy hating Muslims.

Try to understand when your mind is being played for pgy-ops reasons and two minutes hate. It may help you understand the world better.

Let me explain something. I work in national security and I can assure you that the threat from Islamic terrorism is being downplayed to massive degree for reasons that you would probably not like, or refuse to believe. So there is a bit of accurate information to help you better understand the world.

The first online newspaper i checked, because of that alleged Allahu Akbar yelling, says:

""Zum jetzigen Zeitpunkt ist eine Einschätzung seriös nicht möglich", sagte Polizeisprecher Zill zu einem möglichen Terrorhintergrund. Es werde in alle Richtungen ermittelt. Auch Berichte, wonach der Angreifer "Allahu Akbar" gerufen habe, konnte Zill nicht bestätigen."
Spon

Zill is the official police spokesman of Hamburg.

"At this time there is no serious assessment possible to be made", said Zill to a possible terror background. The investigations are going on into all directions. Reports that said that the attacker yelled "Allahu Akbar", couldn´t be confirmed by Zill.
(Sorry for my translation... xD)

a reply to: starviego

Just read about this online.

To tell you the truth, I've been waiting to hear about the next attack since the last one.

Supermarkets aren't a safe place now, not with kitchen knives on display! It's true though... any one of these idiots can easily walk into a supermarket and take a few knives off the shelf.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CulturalResilience

I bet the guy is actually a white drug addict that simply said allah akbar to divert attention. Yall do realize it is easy to throw out a false description of yourself??
For example, somebody can commit a crime with a few lossely practiced phrases from a different language. Lets say Spanish. Someone hears spanish during the crime, then BAM! People are looking for a spanish guy and begin to drum the immigrant debate.

Someone could wear dark clothes and a ski mask and simply color his exposed skin darker. Now everybody is looking for a black man. Or some idiot could just yell allah akbar and everybody immediately is searching for another reason to justfiy hating Muslims.

Try to understand when your mind is being played for pgy-ops reasons and two minutes hate. It may help you understand the world better.

Let me explain something. I work in national security and I can assure you that the threat from Islamic terrorism is being downplayed to massive degree for reasons that you would probably not like, or refuse to believe. So there is a bit of accurate information to help you better understand the world.

a reply to: CulturalResilience
no, you don't work in national security. At most, your a beat cop. Prove it otherwise mister internet super hero!

I am not a member of any police force. If you think you can bait me into posting information to prove my credentials on an internet site then you really are stupid.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CulturalResilience

I bet the guy is actually a white drug addict that simply said allah akbar to divert attention. Yall do realize it is easy to throw out a false description of yourself??
For example, somebody can commit a crime with a few lossely practiced phrases from a different language. Lets say Spanish. Someone hears spanish during the crime, then BAM! People are looking for a spanish guy and begin to drum the immigrant debate.

Someone could wear dark clothes and a ski mask and simply color his exposed skin darker. Now everybody is looking for a black man. Or some idiot could just yell allah akbar and everybody immediately is searching for another reason to justfiy hating Muslims.

Try to understand when your mind is being played for pgy-ops reasons and two minutes hate. It may help you understand the world better.

Let me explain something. I work in national security and I can assure you that the threat from Islamic terrorism is being downplayed to massive degree for reasons that you would probably not like, or refuse to believe. So there is a bit of accurate information to help you understand the world.

But why does the majority of the people feel like it is the exact other way around?
I try to understand that, really!
Is it maybe your job that let´s you think like you think?
I know somebody working for a german secrret service, and they say that there are allegedly way more prevented terror attacks(he never said muslim, right- or leftwing terror, just terror) than the people know about. That is at least what "our protectors" say(and i love to have verbal fights with this guy, because of his job...xD).

We know that rulers only can rule if the people are in steady fear. We all know what the western people have to be feared of since 9/11, since the first cold war ended, the USSR, the "commies" couldn´t be used as the bogeyman anymore:

The muslim terrorists, that btw are for the most time not even religious people. At least here in europe. But little homegrown criminals known by the "protectors", under observation by the "protectors", etc.

For me it feels like everything, really everything that could be used to keep the people in steady fear, because of muslim terror, would be used to keep that fear up. To excuse the next big brother measures, the growing police- and surveillance state, that even people like Orwell couldn´t dream of. And it feels like if on 9/11 a button was pressed, to present the new, "best enemy" that makes ruling easy as possible, for the rulers.

Maybe people like you are more feared by what the propaganda wants you to be feared of, and people like me are feared of the propaganda, the agenda of the actual rulers?

I could never say that "they" would downplay something they could use for their agenda, because it doesn´t feel like this. They rather would blow up a fart to a thunderstorm, to create a muslim terror attack, from whatever. Even if a bag of rice topples over, in China, it´s a muslim terror attack here...

That´s only what i could observe over the last years, decades, since the USSR fell apart and after 9/11.

a reply to: CulturalResilience
Extremist Islam is certainly a threat to America and the world, about as much as Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist extremism. But Islam in general, as practiced by the millions of regular Muslims living here, not so much.
As I browse regular local news affiliates from state to state, there are significantly more cases of men and women killing their own children on behalf of God's orders (usually in their head) than any Islamic crimes against us.

Now of course, none of those headlines ever go national. They are stuck within the states they occur. In fact I read just one the other day. if you would like, I can dig up about a dozen articles at lest of Parents killing heir Children because God told or ordered them too.

Do you think we should end Christianity yet?

I am not following your meaning very well I'm afraid, but your attempt to discuss this complex subject in a language that seems not to be your first is very good and I appreciate it.

I can only really speak from my own experience and there are as many different reasons for downplaying the Islamic threat, as there are for overplaying it. One reason, which is far from the only one, is the possibility of retaliatory acts by vigilantes. I hope that goes someway to answering your question.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

Today another terrorist attack in Hamburg due to rotten-failed EU policies, lack of concealed carry of firearms among citizens. Lack of 2nd amendment.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

It does feel like our collective tolerance is being tested.
Monitoring our threat responses.
Fight or flight...or just acceptance?

Its not a pleasant feeling...but then again I'm just paranoid.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CulturalResilience
Extremist Islam is certainly a threat to America and the world, about as much as Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist extremism. But Islam in general, as practiced by the millions of regular Muslims living here, not so much.
As I browse regular local news affiliates from state to state, there are significantly more cases of men and women killing their own children on behalf of God's orders (usually in their head) than any Islamic crimes against us.

Now of course, none of those headlines ever go national. They are stuck within the states they occur. In fact I read just one the other day. if you would like, I can dig up about a dozen articles at lest of Parents killing heir Children because God told or ordered them too.

Do you think we should end Christianity yet?

Actually I do. Modern organised Christianity has not been fit for purpose for some considerable years, but a great deal fewer terrorists acts of violence are committed in its name than in the name of Islam.

Some more details being released:

www.n-tv.de...
--According to police, the suspect is a 26 year old born in the United Arab Emirates.
--The newspaper "Tagesspiegel" reported that the suspect was known to the police as an 'Islamist.'
--Multiple witnesses claimed the suspect yelled out "Allahu akbar" during the attack.
--Police corrected the first accounts, that reported a second attacker was being sought who is alleged to have hid out in Fuhlsbütteler Street, near the attack site.

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
I am not following your meaning very well I'm afraid, but your attempt to discuss this complex subject in a language that seems not to be your first is very good and I appreciate it.

I can only really speak from my own experience and their are as many different reasons for downplaying the Islamic threat, as there are for overplaying it. One reason, which is far from the only one, is the possibility of retaliatory acts by vigilantes. I hope that goes someway to answering your question.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

I am sorry, but sometimes i want to say someting like i would say it in german, and it is not easy to translate complex german into english, sometimes. I even use Linguee for the missing words... xD

I have to ask my buddy the next time i see him, what kind of terror attacks are prevented most, but stay hidden for the public. Only thing i know is, that he works against rightwinger extermism/terrorism there. I have to ask him why he never said which kind of terror attacks(religious, right- or leftwing, or whatever) are allegedly prevented that often.

And what their reasons are to not go public with all those allegedly prevented terror attacks and why they don´t use those allegedly successful prevented attacks to make the people feel more secure than they feel now(some of them, only a few are feared in reality of muslim terror, here in germany. We have real problems that hit us everyday, all of us, and that are nor muslim terror attacks)?

If i would be the "allmighty protector", i would go public with every successful prevented terror attack. Just to show how good my agencies work. And that the big brother measures really are FOR the people, and not against them. And why all that big brother stuuf really is necessary. Maybe even people, that think like me, would rethink everything again then.

But this doesn´t happen, somehow. We only hear about the prominent MSM terror attacks, that only could happen because of "flops, failures and fumbles" of "our protectors", which get rewarded with more anti democratic rights, more money, more power for the growing surveillance- and police state, after every single of their fails. That doesn´t raise the trust of the people in "our protectors".

Why do average people know the term "false flag attack" nowadays?
Before ten, twenty years nobody except some "conspiracy theorists" knew this term...

You are right, retaliatory acts could be one reason.
Another one could be that "they" don´t want to fear the people too much.
But wait, we all know that "they" only are able to rule because the people live in steady fear.
Hmmm...