Nazi Germany, overhyped?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah. That was a major blunder thinking that you could just terrorise the UK, all it did was piss us off. It had the opossite effect.

Actually ithink the bombing of civilian targets actually prevented the UK for seeking a negotiated peace as it pushed the public into a frenzy for revenge.
Pretty much the same way the terror tactics backfired in Russia.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
The jeep units weren't combat units. The U.S. had a horrendous supply line. Out of curiosity, how many carriers did the U.K. have during the war and how old were they? I can only recall The Ark Royal and wasn't she rather out of date?

Jeep units still waged war and carried aircraft.

The Royal Navy had roughly 20 mainline carriers throughout the length war. Not all were in service at the same time but it was more than anyone other than the United States.

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
I believe that British aircraft carriers would be an asset, of course. Turn the tide? Only if the tide was ready to be turned. If the current Chinese know where the U.S. carriers are, and they do, those carriers are at far more risk than the intended targets inland. JMO, though.

The tide was already turned after the Battle of Britain, Germany could not keep up production of aircraft to match the British.

I doubt that the tide was turned until the arrival of the Rolls-Royce powered P-51Ds and escorted the bombers all the way to Germany. That is what cut German production, not the Battle of Britain, per say.

.problem was Germany could not replace the loses from the battle of Britain and fight in Russia and Africa.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Yeah. That was a major blunder thinking that you could just terrorise the UK, all it did was piss us off. It had the opossite effect.

Actually ithink the bombing of civilian targets actuall prevented the UK for seeking a negotiated piece as it pushed the public into a frenzy for revenge.
Pretty much the same way the terror tactics backfired in Russia.

If you have read Shirer's Rise and Fall of the Third Reich he attributes this aspect of the war as the greatest contributor to Germany's eventual defeat. It truly was one of the most pivotal battles in history and the good guys won convincingly.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey no it's your fault that you didn't understand he/she/it was referring to Bolivia.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I will have to add it to my list.

I have a rather dreary book about the SS next

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Hey no it's your fault that you didn't understand he/she/it was referring to Bolivia.

Go figure. In a conversation about Germany we were supposed to know he really meant Mongolia.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I will have to add it to my list.

I have a rather dreary book about the SS next

It's possibly the best book on World War II ever written. It's loaded with declassified information from all the major powers and it details, in very critical fashion, how Hitler lost the war almost single handedly. The guy was a tactical moron.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Quit bragging...

Luck play a factor in that victory as well and you know it...

What I really think made the difference was the Germans bombing civilian targets while the British mostly assaulted military and manufacturing targets. The Germans failed to impact Britain's ability to produce war material and further enraged the populace while Britain crippled Germany's aircraft manufacturing abilities and combined with the number of aircraft lost prevented the Germans from recovering their airforce's capabilities.

Exactly. Goering who promised no bombs would ever fall on Berlin. The Brits did so. That's the political turning point. Militarily, the Mustang P-51D. Small nod to Rolls-Royce.....

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Exactly. Goering who promised no bombs would ever fall on Berlin. The Brits did so. That's the political turning point. Militarily, the Mustang P-51D. Small nod to Rolls-Royce.....

Yeah, in the book I mentioned above this point really infuriated Hitler. It details how he personally commanded Air Marshal Fat Ass to have the bombers divert to civilian targets.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: crazyewok
I will have to add it to my list.

I have a rather dreary book about the SS next

It's possibly the best book on World War II ever written. It's loaded with declassified information from all the major powers and it details, in very critical fashion, how Hitler lost the war almost single handedly. The guy was a tactical moron.

I somewhat feel sorry for hitler.

He clearly had mental health issues, at the very least bipolar but most likely schizophrenia and he pretty ended in a job well outside his skill level.

Almost feel sorry for him.......killing millions is pretty hard to ignore.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I somewhat feel sorry for hitler.

He clearly had mental health issues, at the very least bipolar but most likely schizophrenia and he pretty ended in a job well outside his skill level.

Almost feel sorry for him.......killing millions is pretty hard to ignore.

He is possibly the worst military leader of all time. Eff him.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Exactly. Goering who promised no bombs would ever fall on Berlin. The Brits did so. That's the political turning point. Militarily, the Mustang P-51D. Small nod to Rolls-Royce.....

Yeah, in the book I mentioned above this point really infuriated Hitler. It details how he personally commanded Air Marshal Fat Ass to have the bombers divert to civilian targets.

I still think Goering should of won a allied medal for helping the British war effort before we hung the incompetent lard arse. Well attempted to hang him anyway.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: crazyewok
I somewhat feel sorry for hitler.

He clearly had mental health issues, at the very least bipolar but most likely schizophrenia and he pretty ended in a job well outside his skill level.

Almost feel sorry for him.......killing millions is pretty hard to ignore.

He is possibly the worst military leader of all time. Eff him.

What you get for having a nut as your commander in chief I guess.
If only he had got into art school!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

So much the worse, then. Mongolia can't do much with their navy because HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR DRESS UNIFORMS?!? Good god those can't be cheap.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Estimate is that is we had lost the battle of the Atlantic Britain would have been forced to surrender in under a month as we only had about 4 days worth of food in the country, the alternative would have been starvation so a deal would have been made on the NAZI's term's most likely, even then the war in Russia would have dragged on, likely though with our technical advancement's then added to there own the Nazi's would have defeated Russia barring a few hold out's simply because of it's vast size by 1944 and also without us provided them with as much logistical aid as we could in the form of the arctic convoy's the Russian's would also have been pushed back much further than they were even if they later rebounded.

France COULD have continued to fight for another year or even longer and they capitulated faster than anyone expected which was why the war took that turn, also Hitler mysteriously stopped his general from crushing our army in France which gave them time to evacuate or it is possible we would have been forced to surrender or come to term's that benefited the NAZI regime even then but God as they way work's in mysterious way's.

They were able to fight off England Europe and Russia, they were pretty powerful.

They might have won if they had figured out how to make a nuke first.

a reply to: LABTECH767

also Hitler mysteriously stopped his general from crushing our army in France which gave them time to evacuate

My reading of that has always been that Hitler was demonstrating magnanimity towards Britain. A sort of "I could have crushed you, but I chose to let you retreat unmolested."

And he definitely could have shredded us, we were sitting ducks.

He was probably still hoping for a peace with Britain, as he had all along. But in this, as in so many other things, it turned out to be a big strategic mistake.

You won't be finding the truth about WW2 on ATS - maybe once upon a time, but not now.

a reply to: crazyewok

Not overhyped at all. I wish they were.
They made mistakes like all countries did. True.
But operation paperclip is just one example that indicates how far advanced they were. Without the nazis the USA would not be the superpower they are today.
And by the way: in the end the Germans always win. Look where they are today.
Discipline, hard work, quality products ... strongest country ... not a coincidence ...