Ticks and Lyme disease 06/10/17

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: rickymouse

This aiming at lipid membrane makes my mind roam around many antibacterial fat-soluble substances.
Like cannabinoids! Major immunomodulators. Along with herbs like Brahmi and Skulcap brewed in milk/Coconut oil,Linseed oil,
Walnut oil (juglone) for brain, Avocado oil (unsaponifiables) for cartilage...
BTW. Linseed oil consumed with a curd is said to cure many types of cancer for some reason.

You need to watch the essential oils, they are powerful medicine. I am presently doing research on the Endocannabinoid system in humans and it is actually pretty impressive how important it is. Looking for blockers, inducers, receptor blockers and unblockers, and stuff that stimulates the excretion or blocks the excretion of endocannibinoids is complex. This system is very important in the body and some foods block it, so too much of those foods can actually negatively effect long term health. Too much cannibus can shut down the P450 enzymes and other enzymes in the body which are important. So a little occasionally may be good but too much can cause side effects metabolically.

Most of the information on oils of different kinds is correct but much of it seems to be misapplied and it appears almost purposely in some cases. We cannot avoid omega sixes, without them we would have issues. We need a good balance of the various oils. Some saturated, some monosaturated, and some of the unsaturated. These need to be balanced and match the amount of specific enzymes you can make genetically.

I know a lot about the various oil chemistry, but only enough to make me dangerous. I probably know about as much as most who consider themselves a specialist on it. That to me is not good enough for myself, if I start telling people more than I am sure is correct, I will feel bad about it. When I learn enough to feel really confortable with evaluating all different symptoms, I will maybe start a thread. Half the stuff about oils that is going around is not correct, other dietary factors need to be considered as with genetics. I do not believe in the cholesterol tests, those are not much more than a scam because there are various reasons these levels could be elevated.

The heart runs on lipids or ketones, not sugar from what I have read. That is important because many issues with the heart can occur from not enough of these oil chemistries. If you do not get enough, the body will scavange the muscle cells to acquire the muscle fuel. This leads to a lowering of muscle mass. Muscle food is most always drawn on when a person fasts or diets first, after a certain point of muscle death, then the fat is pulled from reserves in fat cells.

There are two types of lipids of importance in coconut oil, one is the lauric acid and the other one is the myristic acid. The Myristic acid is a psychotropic oil, it attracts humans. It has some good points but may lead to higher cholesterol. But in the case of coconut oil, the good properties of the whole oil, even refined, outweighs the bad by a long shot. en.wikipedia.org...

National Institute of Health has a well buried research finding for us Lyme Disease sufferers. Things like this very much get me to consider the big pharma money scheme conspiracy might be actually true.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

originally posted by: tigertatzen
a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

The very best way to avoid them is to place mothballs around the perimeter of your lawn...or your flat or whatever. They hate the scent, and so do ants, spiders, crickets, mayflies and just about every other insect out there. And they don't lose their potency over time either, but I recommend replacing them once a month.

However, something bothers me...particularly the joints, chronic fatigue...that doesn't sound like Lyme. I thought I had the same thing, only it went on for years, and every test was negative. It turned out to be systemic lupus. Lyme disease is not a chronic condition, and there would be circular lesions on your skin. That's why I thought I had Lyme, actually. Turned out it was enormous hives caused by my immune system attacking itself and perceiving ordinary things as allergens.

One medicinal piece of advice from me is, detox your body by consuming organic apple cider vinegar mixed with distilled water at least once a day, and get some black cumin seed oil. Take one to two teaspoons twice a day...it tastes like oregano...and stick to the regimen even if you don't see immediate results. That little seed put my lupus, which I've suffered with for going on twenty years, into complete remission. And it happened in less than two weeks. It's one of the most powerful anti-inflammatory substances on the planet, and I promise you it works. I don't make promises lightly, by the way.

Thanks for posting this information. Any chance you can do a separate thread on this?

We'd love to hear the whole story.

Thanks RT

I didn't expect so much from this thread. Great info, new tools, new hopes.
We don't even have an idea how bad it is. These pathogens can live in blood that is stored for donation, they can be sexually transmitted.link This, in my eyes, makes it No.1 pandemic and it's getting worse.

a reply to: rickymouse

I'll remember your insight from now. Feel free to name some essential oils. My favorites are those unsafe, containing thujone like Tansy, Salvia, Wormwood.
Maybe it's a good idea to eat a drop with every consumed fat? Or maybe it's useless like using too little of antibiotics and we are slowly developing new resistant strains

originally posted by: Relentless

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Relentless

According to quite a few studies I read monolaurin will kill lyme disease. But you need to lessen the slime on it.

www.ppt-health.com...

Ummm..... this

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www.ppt-health.com...-1-antibacterial-and-viral

I hope no one missed this link.

On the other hand it seems almost unaffordable to get all those supplements. My bet is still on dissolving the biofilm followed by the thermotherapy along with some strong herbal antibiotics. Fever or induced hyperthermia IS killing it. It doesn't cost hundreds or thousands of bucks. It makes antibiotics and the immune system much more efficient. And you can do it in your tub if you have a thermometer and maybe someone to look over you. Yes, it can be dangerous and the feeling sucks but 30 minutes daily for a few weeks should do the job once and for all (if the Herxheimer reaction won't disable you). Trying new teas for years seems like a hobby. If someone feels sick after a hot bath there's a good chance it has killed something which then released toxins.

originally posted by: Relentless
a reply to: rickymouse

Well, I'm sitting here with my jaw hanging open from everything you posted. I've been involved in support groups, research groups, activist groups, legal groups & medical professionals in the trenchs on this for as long as I can remember, and I've yet to come across anything you have described (least of all an area where a shot is acknowledged as best practices). What does MI know/have that the rest of us are left here sitting out in the cold. One of the groups I follow, people are posting the rashes on a new bite, and are told GET TO THE DR NOW, only for us to be told, the Dr saw it and said wait until you feel sick??? (I'm wondering if you can tell me exactly what antibiotic is in the shot and at what dosage, because the rest of the world is not aware of a one time prophylactic.

As for the substances you have posted about, how could we not know about this either? The only thing I can fathom is it's under the radar, because it works? (Therefore, people who have the benefit of it do not end up in the groups floundering for answers?) In fact I spent yesterday catching up on research about the ticks themselves - what's new? - and one of your articles describes the Osp's in a way I have never seen before. It just sounds too easy, but I've definately got my research laid out for me today. Do you know anyone who actually used these things?

Appreciate the new insights!

It is better to use what I say as preventative medicine, have a pineapple around in the summer. Remember, real butter already contains monolaurin. So does milk. I like real butter. I am trying to find recipes that actually would boost monolaurin from lauric acid, I figure our ancestors knew how to do this, not that many of them got sick off of ticks. It is because their diet contained more of this chemistry, lauric acid is a saturated fat. People have been avoiding it. My question is how long ago could someone have known the properties of some good saturated fats, is there any conspiracy behind some group steering us away from it other than the usual "slam anything to make what you sell more desirable" scam?

A half a grapefruit for breakfast three times a week followed by something containing coconut oil for lunch or a snack. I like pot made popcorn, I use coconut oil to cook it in. My wife volunteers at the local theatre for plays and stuff and they make popcorn like they did back in the fifties and sixties, made with coconut oil. It is an attractant. When an attractant is good for you it is a miracle.

I drop about a quarter teaspoon of coconut oil in my coffee a couple times a day. I get the refined stuff, organic of course, and I think it calms me when I eat a little. Better than putting butter in the coffee, but coconut oil does not contain Butarate which has many benefits too.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
I didn't expect so much from this thread. Great info, new tools, new hopes.
We don't even have an idea how bad it is. These pathogens can live in blood that is stored for donation, they can be sexually transmitted.link This, in my eyes, makes it No.1 pandemic and it's getting worse.

a reply to: rickymouse

I'll remember your insight from now. Feel free to name some essential oils. My favorites are those unsafe, containing thujone like Tansy, Salvia, Wormwood.
Maybe it's a good idea to eat a drop with every consumed fat? Or maybe it's useless like using too little of antibiotics and we are slowly developing new resistant strains

thujone is actually in some foods and spices we eat in small amounts. I actually avoid food chemistry high in this, it blocks my ability to think for a whole day. I seem to be able to eat a small amount and I actually feel good but too much dopes me. I like sage in soups, but I do not put much. I actually have some genetics that lower my ability to make P450 enzymes is any quantity so I just need a little to feel good and too much negatively effects my thinking. I can't do much nutmeg chemistry, that actually gives me some bad side effects.

As far as antibiotics go, the resistance is developing mostly because of antibiotic chemistry being extensively used in agriculture and the meat industry. It seemed common sense flew out the door a long time ago when greed and fear of losing money took over our country.

a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Please do not take Essential Oil internally, it is dangerous.
They react with the body in a wholly different way to their 'native' state as in original plant material.
I cannot advise you about herbs, but I can when it comes to Essential OIls as I am a ClinicalAromatherapist.

Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: rickymouse


As far as antibiotics go, the resistance is developing mostly because of antibiotic chemistry being extensively used in agriculture and the meat industry. It seemed common sense flew out the door a long time ago when greed and fear of losing money took over our country.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

The nonsense that resistance is from overuse in humans (which the medical profession bought hook, line and sinker), plays a large part in why so many have been denied antibiotics while they were still easily treatable. It's insanity, especially when the drug of choice is Doxycycline, handed out like candy to adolescents with acne. Once Lyme hits the later stages (it's estimated as little as 6 - 8 weeks post infection) it can become impossible to eradicate.

a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

See, in Australia, Vegemite is the key to being bug safe......,

By eating it of course, not rubbing it all over, though that may work.

originally posted by: Relentless

originally posted by: rickymouse


As far as antibiotics go, the resistance is developing mostly because of antibiotic chemistry being extensively used in agriculture and the meat industry. It seemed common sense flew out the door a long time ago when greed and fear of losing money took over our country.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!

The nonsense that resistance is from overuse in humans (which the medical profession bought hook, line and sinker), plays a large part in why so many have been denied antibiotics while they were still easily treatable. It's insanity, especially when the drug of choice is Doxycycline, handed out like candy to adolescents with acne. Once Lyme hits the later stages (it's estimated as little as 6 - 8 weeks post infection) it can become impossible to eradicate.

I recognized the shot they gave my granddaughter from your post. Doxycycline. www.nejm.org...

A single shot within seventy two hours seems to work from that post.

This is the first time that I heard of anyone getting a shot if they got a tick just in case. It was a deer tick though, so I suppose they did not want to take any chances.

Actually humans make a natural tick repellent, but we take a lot of showers and are constantly washing it off. That is life though. I use deep woods off when I go out into the woods or work in the yard, it does keep the ticks from biting, the deet does work. It is nice to know that there are some alternative remides out there that we can use. I actually ran across one that used a combo of coconut oil and a natural lipase to make a salv but it said the salv only lasted for about a day or two after you made it before it completely broke down. I should try to find out what was the other ingredient in that salv, it said to apply it for a couple of days to the site of the tick bite and it was effective at killing the lyme if it was done before the bacteria spread. It said it lessens the chance, I suppose it all depends on how fast the bacteria spreads.

Another article I read stated that there are some people who have an immune system that kills this bacteria. The problem is that how do you know if you have the ability or not, and we often eat foods that dampen our immune system. So that might be unreliable too.

I am not going to go to the doctors every time I get a tick on me, that would be expensive, I would have to pay the twenty five dollar copay for the doctor each time and the twenty dollar copay for the meds. I get about three ticks a year on me. I check as often as I can during tick season, I was just planting in the garden and I have to still check for ticks. We have a lot of birds this year and they are constantly eating bugs in the yard and we have some toads and tree frogs in the grass....I should say green weeds in the yard. All those weeds make flowers too and they are pretty. I use the riding mower in the spring with a frog spotter so I do not kill the tree frogs and toads, the tree frogs are a rare type around here, so I do not want to kill them. They will sit on our window screens and peak in to watch tv or us quite often. I can't understand any other reason they are always on our screens. We also have millions of spiders around outside, some actually eat ticks. I usually haul spiders out of the house if I can and tell them not to come back in.

a reply to: rickymouse

What do you mean by natural repellent humans are washing off the skin? I've mentioned some products of sweating but animals like horses have much more pungent body odour and it doesn't seem to protect them from ticks.
Do you mean fat from the glands? If it worked I'd have no problem covering myself in vasoline. If ash worked I'd dust-bathed like saddhu

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: rickymouse

What do you mean by natural repellent humans are washing off the skin? I've mentioned some products of sweating but animals like horses have much more pungent body odour and it doesn't seem to protect them from ticks.
Do you mean fat from the glands? If it worked I'd have no problem covering myself in vasoline. If ash worked I'd dust-bathed like saddhu

The articles I read on that mentioned that we make natural repellents. They were scientific articles and one addressed the fact that soap does remove the natural chemistry. I can't remember if they were oil based or latex based, I wasn't that interested in the exact chemistry when I was doing that research. The articles said natural insect repellent, I can't say for sure it protected against ticks but assumed it did. I think I was researching citrinella chemistry when I ran into that info and got sidetracked to see if it was real. I remember one other thing, it seems if we eat certain foods and avoid others the chemistry is stronger, but I can't remember what it is.

www.nbcnews.com...

It's hard to find articles on this on the net without exact wording that narrows down the field. This is all I could find within five minutes now, all I pulled up was sales pitches for insect repellents. I suppose maybe if I went to page ninety I might be able to find the old articles, buried in the web.

most times I do not need insect repellent, but after a shower I always do. If I drink sugary drinks I also get bugged by some types of bugs.

a reply to: rickymouse

Well, Sunlight is good,Coconut is good. I think I'll make some coconut oil based sunscreen now. I've read lyme is mostly in the skin.
Once I'll find a working combo I'll update this thread. It has to be oil based. It's not the cheapest butter out there but whatever. Tick can't breathe in oil and borellia won't like coconut skin either.

Thanks everyone for participation. For now. I've got enough for a new trial. However feel free to keep it going. I'll be checking it

Edit:I hope it's an attractant only for humans, the Coconut

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
a reply to: rickymouse

I think I'll make some coconut oil based sunscreen now. I've read lyme is mostly in the skin.

Where ever you read that, you can pretty much throw out anything else they said.

There seems to be a lot of "this is no big deal" misinformation anytime Lyme is discussed.

May I introduce you to some new information, (once it goes past acute) anything and everything up chronic body wide muscle and joint pain, neurological problems (Alzheimer type and MS type), cardiac arrhythmias, up to and including heart block (leading to cardiac arrest). Then you put a few of these together, as you watch all quality of life vanish, and nobody can make it stop, and then you have depression up to and including suicide. In the worldwide Lyme support communities therre are deaths reported on a fairly regular basis (like monthly). Many are flat out medical from the Lyme, and way too many are suicides.

The medical community, led by the CDC denies most of this, regardless of the medical studies done over the past 20 - 30 years proving it. There are studies showing most Alzheimer brains contain BB spirochetes. There are studies showing live spirochetes after the longest runs of antibiotics in some people. There are studies showing transmission from mother to child in utero, and through breast feeding. Sexual transmission between partners. I could go on all day. All to cowtow to the Insurance industry so they don't have to cover treatment, (and possibly due to some serious conflicts of interest regarding patents related to Lyme, and the failed Lyme vaccine).

The reality for the 10's if not 100's of thousands who cannot fight this off with their own immune system, is if you found a cure, (and you will only get medical help on your own dime. The majority of chronic sufferers are financially destitute.). you pretty much know you are really only in remission, and any strain on your body (another disease, virus, severe emotional pressure, an accident - A FREAKING VACCINE), AND IT'S OVER.

I probably should have said more as this thread progressed, but here it is now.

THERE IS A LOT ABOUT LYME "THEY" JUST WON'T TELL YOU.

a reply to: Relentless

And here's today's reported death....

Ya, take some celery and coconut oil - are you kidding me?

www.legacy.com...

a reply to: Relentless

Copy that. However, we shall keep trying right? I don't expect the system to take care of me. (not in a good way (lol)).
When I see a new research, a new approach I'll always add it to my existing knowledge. My existing knowledge of herbs, vitamin D, boron, hyperthermia, etc, etc. Don't underestimate nature.
Body and mind are your first and ultimate tools. Your own immune system is the best antibiotic. Medicine is just another power structure and control mechanism, a money mine, a medieval church like science cult. They've got their superbug and they know they are helpless and useless anyway. They can't even compete with Streptococcus mutans causing tooth decay. Lyme you had a year ago is not the same lyme you have today. I'd say it's not one strain or seven strains. Maybe they are countless syphilis mutations.

I gotta come back to this thread. I found this site where someone collected a bunch of information about the subject of monolaurin and coconut oil. I was actually researching to find if toxoplasma gondii could be killed by coconut oil, if done right it can. So cat owners who experience behavioral changes from this parasite found in cats can just drink milk or use coconut oil and it should get rid of this parasite. Remember, the parasite is always going to keep reinfecting so maybe some grass fed organic milk added to your diet would be good or simply start eating more coconut oil. Real butter also has appreciable amounts of lauric acid, but margarine has none. Those eggs that we were told were not good for us also contain it. Remember lauric acid is a saturated fat, low fat milk has less. Seems that consensus created by corporations trying to increase their market made us more susceptible to lots of diseases. Kellogg and other cereal companies spread this deceit long ago and they have a working relationship now with another corporation that deceives people, Monsatan.

Check out this link. www.ra-infection-connection.com...

Here is another good source for health information I found. www.uofmhealth.org...-2817009-uses On the left side are other options like interactions and dosage. This is very useful that someone has evaluated dose. Also the fact that it boosts the effective of some antibiotics is interesting.

You can look up all sorts of stuff on this UofM site.

a reply to: Relentless

Just wanted to say that I have apparently had Lyme Disease for at least 30 years, completely undiagnosed until about 18 months ago. I just lived with various symptoms such as joint pain, dermatitis, memory issues, ect. It was when I was informed that my adrenal glands weren't functioning any longer (for idiopathic reasons, of course-meaning we don't have a clue why) and told I was going to be on steroids for the rest of my life that I started searching.

I was fortunate to find a functional medicine doc whose wife has struggled with chronic Lyme. So, here I am now after 2-3 month rounds of antibiotics. I feel better and the mental fog has lifted, but I still have joint pain, extremity neuropathy, and organ damage including my heart. I am also a nurse and still too ill to work.

I want to thank everyone who has posted, and to hope for improvement for everyone affected. It is a long and difficult road, but we can travel it together and share some of the burden.

a reply to: StarWitch

Good to hear you feel better but remember that in chronic stage it's difficult to reach spirochetes living in connective tissue with antibiotics and some of them use to go dormant and wait until the antibiotics are gone. Prisoners are able to ferment a wash with cooked bread because of similar survival mechanism of yeast.

Hyperthermia is a must IMO.

For this, the patient lies down inside of a special thermal chamber similar to a large incubator. It heats the body’s tissues to 41.6° Celsius (or 107° Fahrenheit). It takes two hours to raise the body to this temperature. Once there, the body is maintained at this temperature for two hours. After the treatment, it takes two more hours for the body to cool down, which means that the patient’s temperature is elevated for a total of six hours.

How to do it at home? I believe you don't need a a special thermal chamber. A tub is good enough. You don't even need to lie down there two hours if you raise your body core temperature prior to the procedure with exercise and a warm tea of your choice.

I'm just a bit afraid of the risk of a stroke when someone has clogged arteries as the elevated temperature is thinning blood. Adding anything thinning blood and it could dissolve too much.

What about lecithin? Liposomal vitamin C? Lecithin - lauric acid combo?