Refugee stabs psychologist to death

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Barn cats make very poor housepets.

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This is what we have done in America for victims of these types of crimes:

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

This office was explicitly called for in the President’s Executive Order titled, “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States,” dated January 25, 2017.

***ICE may not be able to provide information regarding certain offenders to victims of a crime with a nexus to immigration due to the information being protected by policy or law. ***

Mission Statement

With honor and integrity, we will support victims of crimes committed by criminal aliens through access to information and resources.

www.ice.gov...

a reply to: queenofswords

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

This is something I agree with. I believe most developed nations have enacted similar laws when dealing with individuals who are not citizens that have committed criminal acts—especially heinous acts committed by a refugee mentioned in the OP. In Canada, we imprison them first, and after their sentence is served in full—they get escorted right from the penitentiary onto a plane back to wherever they came from. I believe the same and/or similar procedure is followed in most developed nations.

ETA: It is refreshing to read that victims and their families are also looked after in the States and not forgotten.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: strongfp

But nothing that he mentions justifies the killing. In fact, only highlights the problem even more.

You want to open your doors to a bunch of desensitized, mentally unstable refugee's suffering from PTSD that are an incident or two away from potentially having an unhinged mental breakdown that can potentially lead to murder?

Replace the word 'refugee's' from your post and replace it with war veteran, does it change then? How many vets have gone off and murdered people or killed their families, wives, kids, themselves etc. over the years, lots.
What this man did was not right, at all. But, at least he was seeking help and obviously is extremely troubled.

originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: queenofswords

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) established the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office to acknowledge and serve the needs of crime victims and their families who have been impacted by crimes committed by removable criminal aliens.

This is something I agree with. I believe most developed nations have enacted similar laws when dealing with individuals who are not citizens that have committed criminal acts—especially heinous acts committed by a refugee mentioned in the OP. In Canada, we imprison them first, and after their sentence is served in full—they get escorted right from the penitentiary onto a plane back to wherever they came from. I believe the same and/or similar procedure is followed in most developed nations.

ETA: It is refreshing to read that victims and their families are also looked after in the States and not forgotten.

That's one of the first things the Trump administration did.

Too often we forget about the victims of these criminal acts by illegal immigrants. The debate becomes about the pros and cons of immigration, not about the victims and their families that have been impacted by the crimes.

a reply to: UKTruth

per capita is the only measure that makes sense. I don't know the actual numbers on either but if you have a choice between joining a population of 3 that has had 1 murder and a population of 1000000 that has had 2 murders, where do you think you are safer?

a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

you sound afraid, and yes, in the same way that some other people are afraid of trump.

you are all the same

a reply to: wheresthebody
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originally posted by: RisenMessiah
Psychological .. Psycho's and Logic don't mix.

False...it is a logical premise that those who fall under the spell of extremism will be seen as psycho!

originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

If we make tougher gun laws, they wont be able to kill anyone. -_-

he could have killed many more people with a gun. Much like the terrorists in London would have killed many, many more people with guns.
don't be willfully stupid.

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: theantediluvian

That's some napkin

I'm aware of all those numbers.

Like I said, you can sweep it under the rug if you want, but I won't. If I'm partisan on this issue, then so be it. I've seen enough to recognize there is a problem. I'm not saying that every single refugee is an unhinged murderer, but there is definitely a lot of bad apples among them. And like I said, I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that ignoring it isn't working.

If I gave you a pack of candy and told you that out of a 100 of these, one will be poisonous and kill you, would you give it to your kids?

that's an incredibly stupid argument. INCREDIBLY stupid. The same could be said of literally any group of people you can lump together. Literally any group.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that on the issue of police brutality, you defend the police and say that we can't paint them all with a broad brush and blame the whole for the actions of a few. And yet, when it comes to refugees, you have the opposite opinion. I wonder why that could be?
What a clown...

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: theantediluvian

That's some napkin

I'm aware of all those numbers.

Like I said, you can sweep it under the rug if you want, but I won't. If I'm partisan on this issue, then so be it. I've seen enough to recognize there is a problem. I'm not saying that every single refugee is an unhinged murderer, but there is definitely a lot of bad apples among them. And like I said, I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that ignoring it isn't working.

If I gave you a pack of candy and told you that out of a 100 of these, one will be poisonous and kill you, would you give it to your kids?

that's an incredibly stupid argument. INCREDIBLY stupid. The same could be said of literally any group of people you can lump together. Literally any group.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that on the issue of police brutality, you defend the police and say that we can't paint them all with a broad brush and blame the whole for the actions of a few. And yet, when it comes to refugees, you have the opposite opinion. I wonder why that could be?
What a clown...

I agree the numbers quoted mean little in the overall size of population and current already violent trends but we do have to be careful of people coming from these regions because they can be overtly violent already and with the lunatics from IS and various clerics calling for the use of simple but deadly acts of violence to further their cause its important that these people get as much monitoring as anyone else.

No doubt some loony lefty will label that as a bigot type post but seriously, these are the sort of people who would welcome a serial killer in to their home (because that's a truly lefty type of thing) and then blame everyone else when they get attacked..

Danger is out there, there's no harm in trying to make sure it does not affect you..

PS, when I say "can be overtly violent already" I say this because they come from pretty seriously war torn places where extreme violence, murder and visions of utter depravity can be daily, that affects people, there is also the point of which part of a faith they support, if ultra radical then violence is a daily issue.

Either of these issues makes a difference to persons seeing it from a deep psychological POV

PPS. Lets not forget that not every Syrian is a poor innocent person escaping the horrendous war FORCED upon them by all involved, I feel as much empathy as possible with them as my family were forced out of Northern Ireland by religion basically by the point of leave or DIE but not every one fleeing is an innocent like them, we have IS fighters also jumping ship and heading all over the place and I doubt there's a single person who would not condemn these folks as violent animals who no one wants, so think about that as well, I'm not justifying the OP's argument, just adding both sides with a sensible view point.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

False ... I disagree. I guess you missed the jest of it.