Burn the House to Kill a Fly - Notre Dame grads don't know the meaning of Sacred

a reply to: TheRedneck

Well, I used the word stoop on purpose to fit with your POV.

I think you would be justified, it would be the same thing but neither would be "wrong".

The only thing that changes is ones opinion on the appropriateness of the act.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I agree on the disruption. It's absurd. If you don't want to hear the speaker, don't go. No need to try to ruin it for others or make a scene. I would have gone to hear pence and I would have laughed at and heckled those making a scene. "Different views are so scary! Run, hide, find your safe space!"

a reply to: daskakik

I think 'stoop' would be accurate. But I disagree about bring justified. There is no justification for violence.

But I would probably do it regardless, in that situation. I'm not going to deny that.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

If you are talking violence then that is a lower level than just walking out.

I thought you would just talk and let them know they were "wrong".

a reply to: TheRedneck

You hit the nail on the head with this one. Indeed, they took something only from themselves, by their actions. I can't imagine going to all the trouble to get through school, especially at a big nae place, and just walking away, because I didn't like the speaker. These people will end up totally unable to function in the real world. Imagine them at a workplace, and having a disagreement with a boss. What, they'd walk out, and demand the boss not disagree??

To me a real disruption, disrespectfulness and disturbance (and perhaps dumbass) would belong to Antifa at Berkeley.
Sorry don't mind me.
At least it was a respectful and peaceful protest.

a reply to: TheRedneck

A disruption like the one we're discussing at my commencement would have been disgusting for me. I would probably have given every one a piece of my mind afterward, to the point of risking the night in the slammer.

Thusly, 20 pages in we finally find out the motivation of this OP. You got offended by them walking out. . They offended you. Period. It's their decision, let them eat it.

You need to sort your thinking of why, not digging through 20 pages to figure it out. I gotcha back bro, but there is something else lurkin here.

a reply to: TheRedneck

They did not ran, they walkout, they felt strongly about their positions, they didn't hackle, or booed ,but sitting through a speech by Ponce who they regard as disingenuous, is the best move they
could make.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: jjkenobi
Years later...

Kid: Who spoke at your commencement dad?
Parent: The Vice President of the USA
Kid: Wow! You got to see the Vice President? How was it?
Parent: I don't know, I walked out of my own graduation.
Kid: Oh.

Kid: So why did you walk out Dad?
Dad: Because this Vice President stands for EVERYTHING that I am against. Because I refused to be loud or obnoxious and disrupt the speech and ruin it for everyone else. Because I wanted him and everyone around to know that I was willing to sacrifice my own personal pleasure of attending my graduation in order to stay true to my convictions, rather than to sit quietly like a meek little mouse, or a sheep. And because I wanted to be a future role model for you on how you protest with class and grace.
Kid: Wow. That's cool. So you ran away?

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: TheRedneck

A disruption like the one we're discussing at my commencement would have been disgusting for me. I would probably have given every one a piece of my mind afterward, to the point of risking the night in the slammer.

Thusly, 20 pages in we finally find out the motivation of this OP. You got offended by them walking out. . They offended you. Period. It's their decision, let them eat it.

You need to sort your thinking of why, not digging through 20 pages to figure it out. I gotcha back bro, but there is something else lurkin here.

Awesome huh. All under the guise of other stuff.
Sounds pretty psycho to risk time in jail cause someone walked calmly out of a place.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: TheRedneck

They did not ran, they walkout, they felt strongly about their positions, they didn't hackle, or booed ,but sitting through a speech by Ponce who they regard as disingenuous, is the best move they
could make.

And thereby displayed their intolerance to the rest of the crowd including the 3000+ fellow students, many of whom boo'd them as they left then applauded the VP.

EDIT: Apparently they did boo the VP as he was starting to speak, then they walked out. Can't allow themselves to hear even one word that might hurty their precious widdle feewings.

I can't believe this ridiculous thread is still going.

Basically a bunch of members got triggered at college students protesting something by not torching cars, not vandalizing anything, not assaulting anybody, but by simply walking out of a building. Our very own OP has admitted that he would "risk a night in the slammer" so he could give the students a piece of his mind, over their choice to exit a building.

Excuse after excuse has been crafted, along with completely irrelevant imaginary conversations, to somehow paint the students into a corner where the only acceptable thing for them to have done would've been to disrupt or stop the commencement altogether (but we'll call it a "dialog") as if somehow you'd all be applauding them for shutting down their own commencement as they attempted to "dialog" with Pence.

I don't think some of you folks realize just how strikingly similar you sound to Antifa and their tactics. Or maybe you do realize it but since the perceived "offense" happened to your guy, it's okay to act like Antifa.

The irony is beyond measure

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I can't believe this ridiculous thread is still going.

...

The irony is beyond measure

Indeed.

Invoking their right to peaceful protest... ugh. What was their purpose, really? What was their end game? It was simply to disrespect him. What poor character. Love or hate, never lack respect for authority. It'll bite you somehow or another.

"I am not scared of alligators and snakes, but I respect them."

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: TheRedneck

They did not ran, they walkout, they felt strongly about their positions, they didn't hackle, or booed ,but sitting through a speech by Ponce who they regard as disingenuous, is the best move they
could make.

They did run from it. They easily could have turned their backs on him or all plugged their ears, and that would have sent a louder message. Even failure to applaud... Nope, turned tail and left. Yellow bellies

a reply to: cenpuppie

Thusly, 20 pages in we finally find out the motivation of this OP. You got offended by them walking out. . They offended you. Period. It's their decision, let them eat it.

20 pages in, you finally figured it out. It was right there in the OP all along.

Yes, disrespect offends me. Stupidity offends me.

You need to sort your thinking of why, not digging through 20 pages to figure it out. I gotcha back bro, but there is something else lurkin here.

My thinking is clear on this.

Notre Dame is a respected University, a place of higher learning. It exists to help students become more than they are, to give them the knowledge we have so they can expand upon it. These students were given something precious, something priceless, and they had such little respect for those who gave them that, those who supported them, and those around them, that they couldn't be bothered to show a smidgen of respect for a few moments to a man telling them how wonderful they are.

I have been a supporter of Bernie Sanders basic idea of free tuition... but this makes me think differently. Maybe we need to restrict education for those who actually appreciate it, lest we risk turning our institutions into older versions of gang-run, drug-riddled, under-performing, baby-sitting public schools.

I love knowledge, and I am offended by anyone who considers knowledge worthless.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TinySickTears

Awesome huh. All under the guise of other stuff.
Sounds pretty psycho to risk time in jail cause someone walked calmly out of a place.

Hahaha, you need to brush up on your insults, friend. I've been called worse than 'psycho' by actual psychos.

Back when that shooter killed those little girls in an Amish school, I was driving a truck for a living. I was sitting outside of York, PA, in a truck stop, when the news broke that Westboro Baptist Church planned on protesting one of the funerals. 30 minutes later, myself and at least 20 other drivers had all called in and demanded a day off in York. We had a convoy assembled to block all entry into that area. No one was getting through to that funeral. No one. Every one of us was ready to move into a jail cell if need be.

Luckily for everyone concerned, Westboro called off their protest.

The point being, there are still people in this world who will stand up against injustice. You can call protesters heroes all you want, cry about their rights all you want, but at some point people will stand up to them. This walkout was not violent, true, but it was disruptive and it did take something sacred from the other students. I'll support their right to oppose anyone's policies, but not some imaginary right to disrupt others in doing it. Keep your protests where they belong.

TheRedneck

a reply to: filthyphilanthropist

They did run from it. They easily could have turned their backs on him or all plugged their ears, and that would have sent a louder message. Even failure to applaud...

Failure to applaud would have sent a very clear message. Most speeches are written with timed pauses to essentially ask for applause. An absence of such results in the speaker losing his sense of timing. The news channels would have picked up on that quickly, Pence would have gotten the message, the ceremony would not have been disrupted, and no one would be disgusted by a bunch of spoiled brats.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: filthyphilanthropist
Invoking their right to peaceful protest... ugh. What was their purpose, really? What was their end game? It was simply to disrespect him. What poor character. Love or hate, never lack respect for authority. It'll bite you somehow or another.

"I am not scared of alligators and snakes, but I respect them."

My wife has a very subtle and sublime set of communications that, after 20 years, i've learned to pay attention to. At first (like most young husbands) i saw it as histrionic, and her complaints as "nagging". The breakthrough was when I realized it was more like she just had a subtle communication style, and her "nagging" was more that she was expressing frustration or concern that i'd only quell by listening and acting.

Anyway, my point here is that those kids took an action that, to them, meant something. To you and I its just kids playing dumb histrionics. And I bet that a good portion of them will one day regret the action for various reasons (especially the ones who acted out of youthful solidarity instead of real passion).

a reply to: TheRedneck

I guess it was an insult and I'm sorry. I stand by my opinion. Being bothered so much by a peaceful action that has no bearing on your life to the point you would risk jail to do or say something about it is kind of psycho to me.

And I'm with you on knowledge. It's power. Them walking away does now affect it though