woman awarded 100k for starbucks coffee burns

a reply to: darkbake

In the McD's case the burns almost killed the elderly lady.

Of course she should have been more careful with the coffee that was basically boiling water.

so how hot is coffee supposed to be?
im not talking what tastes the best and keeps the flavors the best..

in general how hot does coffee come out of the percolator?

your vid said it was between 180-200 and then said thats 30 degrees hotter than your home pot

the google search i did said it comes out at 180

another member said it serves up at 140

so what is the real number? im interested

there has to be some sort of general temp...im sure no matter what percolator you buy whether it is a mr coffee or a bunn or whatever the are all pretty #in close......

im interested to know.

maybe tomorrow i will perc a pot and then stick the thermometer in it..probably the easiest way to find out for sure.

also i need to let it be known that i could give a # about starbucks..they have the qwan to cover this.
i just feel that people these days do put the blame on everyone but themselves and when something happens they get sue happy.

hell it happened to me

i got my finger cut off at work a few years ago and youre god damned right i brought suit and i won too. got a nice stack.
im in pain all the time and the money is long gone but i did it.

also to be fair the company was at fault as far as guards go but i made a movement i shouldnt have made...
it was not a very black and white situation. a bit more complicated than spilling coffee on yourself but still. i got hurt and i lawyered up

a reply to: TinySickTears

I remember a thread quite a while ago that dove into this. It is surprising complicated.

The McD law suit was won because the they raised the temp to sell more breakfast foods. And then ignored the complaints-or paid them off I can't recall. But the elderly lady got burned bad, almost killed her. That is why she was awarded the millions of $.

The product has to be safe and yet have the quality (hot coffee in this case). But there is a threshold that was crossed in MD's and I image in star bucks as well. Juries usually get it right.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TinySickTears

I remember a thread quite a while ago that dove into this. It is surprising complicated.

The McD law suit was won because the they raised the temp to sell more breakfast foods. And then ignored the complaints-or paid them off I can't recall. But the elderly lady got burned bad, almost killed her. That is why she was awarded the millions of $.

The product has to be safe and yet have the quality (hot coffee in this case). But there is a threshold that was crossed in MD's and I image in star bucks as well. Juries usually get it right.

i definitely get it
if they are messing around with factory set temperatures because they want to sell more # then i totally see the problem with that

does not change the fact that people are sue happy.

you go through a starbucks and then spill coffee in your lap it is not automatically the clerks fault or a faulty lid.

what threshold do you think was crossed with starbucks?
the link said the coffee was 190 degrees and from my search that is right where it is supposed to be

a reply to: TinySickTears

Good job you didn't cut it all off otherwise your hand tattoo would say "moo"

Hot beverages such as tea, hot chocolate, and coffee are frequently served at temperatures between 160 degrees F (71.1 degrees C) and 185 degrees F (85 degrees C).

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Seems it varies

But it shouldn't matter the temperature of your coffee (unless it's so hot it's literally melting the cup), unless the shop assistant spills it over you, it should be your own responsibility once that cup is in your possession and if you spill it on yourself ? well too bad be glad you didn't spill a box knives or venomous snakes on you instead

a reply to: Discotech

yeah moo across the knucks would suck

i have a little spec of the tattoo that i lost left on the finger

i wanted to get something tattooed on the tip but it is too painful

i agree with you that you should be able to handle your # without spilling it on yourself and if you do then its your problem. also not cool for a company to mess with temp settings(if they did) to sell more joe.

a reply to: TinySickTears

I have heard that there is or isn't a glut of law suits looking to sue based on liability of a product.

Do you have anything other than a feeling that this is indeed the case?

a reply to: scraedtosleep

I was at a drive thru window. The kid handed down the iced coffee and the lid came off, spilling half of it on me. This was as I was on my way to work. Obviously had to go home to change.

a reply to: TinySickTears

Ow-eeeeee.

originally posted by: TobyFlenderson
a reply to: scraedtosleep

I was at a drive thru window. The kid handed down the iced coffee and the lid came off, spilling half of it on me. This was as I was on my way to work. Obviously had to go home to change.

i was at steak and shake last year with my daughter.
a waitress was walking by with a tray of drinks and spilled them all over me. all the drinks...i was soaked.
the entire restaurant was looking at me....
the thought of punching someone never crossed my mind.
i was just crazy embarrassed.....my daughter kept saying "im sorry daddy"

we just got up and left.

looking back on it i probably could have scored a great deal of free # if i would have made a fuss. in the moment though i was too embarrassed to say anything to management.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TinySickTears

I have heard that there is or isn't a glut of law suits looking to sue based on liability of a product.

Do you have anything other than a feeling that this is indeed the case?

my gut feeling is she was probably not getting the coffee with the plan to sue but once she spilled it on herself the plan probably started to formulate....
cant say for sure.

a reply to: TinySickTears

I would think the plan started to formulate when she got $100,000 in med bills.

I think the company got off cheap and should consider themselves lucky.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TinySickTears

I would think the plan started to formulate when she got $100,000 in med bills.

I think the company got off cheap and should consider themselves lucky.

that your gut feeling or do you know what her bills came to?

a reply to: TinySickTears

Nope it was for a combo of all sorts of things from the looks of it.

A Duval County jury on Thursday awarded the mother of three $85,000 for pain and suffering, physical impairment, disfigurement, inconvenience and loss of capacity for enjoyment of life. It also ordered that she receive $15,000 for medical bills.

a reply to: TinySickTears

You must be a better person than I.

If those drinks that were dumped on you and your daughter were 190 degrees, perhaps you'd feel different about your OP.

a reply to: TinySickTears

The situations are very different.

There is no permanent damage done by relatively "cold" food products dropped on you.

190 degree coffee can and does cause serious skin damage. If there were 4 190 degree coffees dumped all over you both, you would require medical care. And as we know in the US it is a terrifyingly expensive proposition that can have a terrible outcome. Thankfully it was only embarrassment not 2nd and 3rd degree burns.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TinySickTears

The situations are very different.

There is no permanent damage done by relatively "cold" food products dropped on you.

190 degree coffee can and does cause serious skin damage. If there were 4 190 degree coffees dumped all over you both, you would require medical care. And as we know in the US it is a terrifyingly expensive proposition that can have a terrible outcome. Thankfully it was only embarrassment not 2nd and 3rd degree burns.

i mentioned it because the one dude said someone dropped iced coffee on him and he almost punched them in the head

and awarding her 100k with 15k for medical does not mean that her bills were 100k

so i ask again

do you know what her medical bills were or is that your gut feeling?
i ask that cause you said after she racked up 100k in bills that is probably when she thought to sue

if someone dumped 190 degree liquid on my daughter i would feed them their own heart.

thats not why i mentioned it

a reply to: TinySickTears
Asked and answered

So the kid tilted the glass as he handed it to you.Was it because the lid was faulty or because the kid wasn't paying attention and put it on wrong. I'm betting you didn't sue over this right?

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: TinySickTears
Asked and answered

no you didnt

you said it was a combo of things by the looks of it and quoted the article
thats not an answer

before that you said she probably formulated her plan after she got 100k in medical bills

so you do not know how much her bills were...
that was my point