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originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: rickymouse

I don't think social healthcare is a good idea at all. That is exactly what the NWO and Democrats want. They want citizens to be totally dependent on the government.

Actually, it's nothing quite so nefarious. We simply want people (all people) to be able to go to the doctor/hospital when they are sick, and be able to purchase their medications.

It's really that simple. No underlying motive.

a reply to: angeldoll

Actually, it IS that nefarious, and they admitted it.

Robert Creamer, one of the writers of ACA, said:

the Democratic Party could win a permanent majority in Congress by doing the following:

passing a national health care bill, thereby turning more people into wards of an ever-expanding government, and of the party that works to grow government;

Creamer draws lessons from decades of experience on the radical left, including the teachings of arch-radical Saul Alinsky

Clinton Thug Robert Creamer Planned Obamacare in Jail

And it was not just his idea.
Robert Creamer Visited Obama’s White House 340 Times

And: The 2013 Index of Dependence on Government
There is too much to quote from this article, but it is a good analysis of the impact of Obamacare on the expansion of dependence of citizens on the government.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Robert Creamer -

Robert Creamer has been a political organizer and strategist for four decades. He and his firm, Democracy Partners, work with many of the country’s most significant issue campaigns. He was one of the major architects and organizers of the successful campaign to defeat the privatization of Social Security. He has been a consultant to the campaigns to end the war in Iraq, pass universal health care, pass Wall Street reform, change America’s budget priorities, enact comprehensive immigration reform, promulgate new employer overtime rules, and pass the Nuclear Agreement with Iran. He has also worked on hundreds of electoral campaigns at the local, state and national level -- and served as a consultant to the DNC and President Obama's campaigns in 2008, 2012 and 2016 -- and is heavily involved in "the Resistance". Creamer is married to Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky from Illinois. Arianna Huffington calls his book, Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win, a master’s class in electoral politics.

Your American Thinker description of him comes from - wait for it-' Breitbart. They accuse him of plotting violence, as well as trying to arrange voter fraud. They accuse everyone who is not alt-right. It's their goal in life.

As far as visiting Obama, why wouldn't he? As seen above he served as a consultant to the DNC, and Obama's campaign in 2008 and 2012.

ACA was based on Mitt Romney's "Romneycare" in Massachusetts, if you recall.

a reply to: angeldoll

The point is - Creamer designed the ACA with the intention of making people dependent upon the government. He believed that would give more power to the Democrats.

For the same reason, he encourages amnesty for illegal aliens.

The point about visiting Obama was to show that he had Obama's ear, as your quote also demonstrates.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: rickymouse

I don't think social healthcare is a good idea at all. That is exactly what the NWO and Democrats want. They want citizens to be totally dependent on the government.

Maybe if our government had to pay for all of our healthcare, they would start investigating some of the chemicals added to and put on our food so that we don't get sick. Chemicals often made by the companies or subsidiaries of the companies that make the drugs to counteract the side effects. The FDA is a puppet of Pharma and big chemical companies. There is a conflict of interest in all of this.

But that is where my interest in socialism ends. I think true pure communism is better than Socialism. But no pure communism or Socialism exists in this world in anything bigger than a small community as far as I know. There is always greed and desire for power in humans and this makes these two systems impossible to function correctly. It would never work in this country, we have been conditioned to be self centered by society. The church did not do that, but some people in the church are not following what Jesus taught as good.

The Democrats want more than universal healthcare, they want us all dependent on the doctors and Pharma which they can control. I think our modern medicine is turning into a scam, one that is sucking people dry. There are some good doctors out there, but there are a lot of doctors pushing meds we do not need. There are natural ways to fix a lot of things.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: angeldoll

The point is - Creamer designed the ACA with the intention of making people dependent upon the government. He believed that would give more power to the Democrats.

For the same reason, he encourages amnesty for illegal aliens.

The point about visiting Obama was to show that he had Obama's ear, as your quote also demonstrates.

I agree, the Democrats want us dependent on them for healthcare. Look at the people who fear losing it now. It is not affordable at all, look how high our national debt has gone.

a reply to: angeldoll

A real beauty Creamer is.

In 2005, Creamer pleaded guilty to tax violations and $2.3 million in bank fraud in relation to paying checks with insufficient funds, to fund his public interest group in the 1990s. He repaid the funds, and was convicted and sentenced to five months in prison at Terre Haute and eleven months house arrest

visit the wiki for more outstanding achievements.

a reply to: BlueAjah

You've quoted false material. Creamer was released from prison, after serving five months for writing bad checks in 2005, and I think, tax evasion of some sort. In other words he was released from prison three years before Obama was elected, while the ACA was just a dream of his. It was Glenn Beck who made the false statement that he "wrote ACA while in prison". That is ludicrous.

As far as inciting people to riot against Trump, it was discussed getting a group to wear Duck Costumes and wear them up and down the elevator at Trump Tower, to remind people he had not released his tax returns. (I don't get it really, but that is what was discussed.)

I'm curious as to why you continue to insist Creamer "designed the ACA".

The Affordable Health Care for America Act (or HR 3962)[1] was a bill that was crafted by the United States House of en.wikipedia.org... in November 2009.

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: BlueAjah

The point is - Creamer designed the ACA with the intention of making people dependent upon the government. He believed that would give more power to the Democrats.

Okay. So Creamer is a dirty dog who is a criminal and all around creep who can't be believe or trusted except when he said the ACA would give more power to the democrats. That one statement was true, and agreed upon by all democrats.

Gotcha.

Who Actually Wrote Obamacare?

It was Robert Creamer

Creamer is now credited for writing 628 pages of Obamacare while he was in prison. Creamer is a senior Democratic operative who defrauded banks in order to keep his Marxist/Communist community organization afloat by engaging in 16 counts of bank and tax fraud. Creamer’s book is entitled, Stand Up Straight: How Progressives Can Win.

Many left-wingers say that Creamer’s book has inspired them in their progressive fight to turn America into socialist Europe. Creamer’s work has received support and garnered an endorsement from a surprising source. Or, maybe it is not so surprising after all. Former White House Senior Adviser, David Axelrod, described Creamer’s book as a “blueprint” for future progressive victories. Creamer has stated that in order to impose socialist healthcare on an unwilling nation, it is necessary to deceive the people.

Creamer is the husband of Marxist Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, an Illinois Democrat who demands a “single payer” healthcare delivery system. Creamer’s book calls for the “democratization of wealth”, and the “progressive control of governments around the world”.

Creamer says that Democrats could win a permanent majority in Congress “by passing a national health care bill, turning more people into wards of government, that works to grow government; and by giving amnesty to all illegals, thereby creating, virtually overnight, a large new constituency of Democratic voters”. With 50% of the country on some form of welfare, Creamer’s plan has progressed at a very rapid pace.

We can credit him with the destruction of the Democratic party too.

www.thecommonsenseshow.com...

a reply to: angeldoll

Do you really think they just dreamed up the ACA all at once right before it because law?
They worked on it for years. Creamer was one of those who designed the plan.

I remember when we dissected the darn bill here in ATS for weeks before it was passed, the funny thing is that it was no even read by most that voted for it.

And after it was voted and passed big pharma still have a say so on the final drafting too.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: angeldoll

Do you really think they just dreamed up the ACA all at once right before it because law?
They worked on it for years. Creamer was one of those who designed the plan.

The ACA was Obama's baby. I don't think it was designed in a prison three years before he was elected. Do you?

Please stop reading so much Breitbart. Spread your wings!

a reply to: angeldoll

The ACA was not written or conceived by Obama. It was a democratic party creation, which Obama endorsed and signed.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: angeldoll

The ACA was not written or conceived by Obama. It was a democratic party creation, which Obama endorsed and signed.

He has made the statement that finding a way to provide healthcare to all citizens of the U.S. was the reason he wanted to become President. Reagan wanted it, Clinton wanted it, and Obama accomplished it. And not surprisingly, it's still in effect.

here's the thing though....
before obama was even elected though...
employers were dropping the coverage for their employees, people couldn't afford their coverage, the deductibles and rates for their coverage was getting higher and higher, and here's the kicker...
bush decided to divert a portion of the gov'ts obligation over to the states for the cost of medicaid and that forced many of those states to increase their taxes and various fees... which about led to a danged tax revolt...
what, none of yous remember that one?? if my memory serves me right, the states didn't really get any relief from that till housing market started booming and driving up the property values and thus, the property tax revenues. which, of course, now, we realize was all a scam that led to some rather unpleasant results. the markets crashed, the banks failed, and those who had invested in those toxic bundled mortgages lost a crap load of money, whole countries, like iceland crashed, pension plans went bust....
and.....
at least one life insurance company went belly up because they were heavily invested in the crap!! ironically, the building that they owned was recently bought by a healthcare conglomerate...

but, could it be that maybe, some of these health insurance companies were also invested in the crap also, and well, obamacare was just another bailout by another name???

a reply to: BlueAjah

Let no forget that Obama dream was no far from that of Hillary that once upon a time back in the 93s wanted to do the healthcare reform but the mandate was for the employers only, but darn nobody wanted to hear her back then and as for Obama dream it was just a dream, he wanted a single payer bill, but big pharma is too big break down into giving away their profits.

a reply to: angeldoll

obama did not accomplish it... mandating everyone have health insurance and helping some get it... at the expense of others who ended up losing it... wasn't the goal...
enabling people to afford the health care... not health insurance was the goal...
and having insurance that comes with insane deductibles doesn't help much if you don't have the money to pay for the premiums and the deductible while still being able to have a roof over your head and food on the table..
and I will remind you that I went close to a year with no income whatsoever, and was out of luck when it came to healthcare!

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: angeldoll

The ACA was not written or conceived by Obama. It was a democratic party creation, which Obama endorsed and signed.

He has made the statement that finding a way to provide healthcare to all citizens of the U.S. was the reason he wanted to become President. Reagan wanted it, Clinton wanted it, and Obama accomplished it. And not surprisingly, it's still in effect.

Of course Obama said that. That's because the Democrats already had the ACA planned before he became president. Of course he knew of its existence. One of the things on his agenda was to forward their plan. Their agenda is complicated, and it has been in the works for many years. Clinton was the next step in their plan to forward their agenda, which was why they are freaking out about Trump.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: angeldoll

The ACA was not written or conceived by Obama. It was a democratic party creation, which Obama endorsed and signed.

Changed your mind about Creamer writing it while in Prison? (Consider your source, I beg of you.)

MIT professor Jonathan Gruber, a well-known architect of President Obama's Affordable Care Act, tells CNN that the law known as 'Obamacare' is working exactly as intended.JONATHAN GRUBER:" Obamacare's not imploding. The main goal of Obamacare was two-fold. One was to cover the uninsured, of which we’ve covered 20 million, the largest expansion in American history. The other was to fix broken insurance markets where insurers could deny people insurance just because they were sick or they had been sick. Those have been fixed, and for the vast majority of Americans, costs in those markets have come down, thanks to the subsidies made available under Obamacare..."

www.realclearpolitics.com...

If you choose to believe ACA was a political ploy to gain control of the people, that it was sinister and corrupt, I'm sorry. It wasn't. It was devised with the best intentions. There are people who still actually have those. (Good intentions) See above.

eta: Now I have to go watch CNN's special on Scientology.
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