Dutch embassy and consulate in Turkey sealed off as diplomatic row escalates

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: 23432

A minister has no diplomatic immunity and she was on dutch soil.
The threats towards the Netherlands but also the intent for a massive manifestation meant that the dutch government had no other options but to refuse entry.
Turkey has simply damaged itself by acting in this way and they continue to do so with their insults and threats.
The dutch turks in the Netherlands are first and foremost dutch citizens, however, if they prefer Erdogan, they are free to move to and live in Turkey. Their choise.

You think this is just a neurosis of Turkish politics but reality is not that simple .

There is a Globalist vs Nationalist Conspiracy going on , right before OUR eyes .

Turks will be attacked in Holland and Dutch Government will blame Erdogan as a culprit of these attacks .

The game is being played on both nations but at least Erdogan tells it as it is .

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I really like you your like a more educated version of myself; saying your guy says it like it is. You know some people could argue Trump says it like it is.
I'm not even going to argue the importance of Erdogan (I wouldnt even be able to get his name right unless your comment was right above mine) in your political system. Turkey's place on the global stage has long been that of polarized constituency and a melting pot.
This thread,
alluded to Turkey's growing influence on Europe because of that position of the established difference of west vs east; the fact that two days before an election, after the proper channels told the state their officials were not welcomed continued down the path with a determination and uncharacteristically deceptive manner, I mean a motorcade of cars would work for a car thief in this part of the world, but to even think you could hide a political character in one of them so far from home, Turkey really deserves a part in the EU.

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Turks will be attacked in Holland and Dutch Government will blame Erdogan as a culprit of these attacks .

Actually it is the other way around, it is turks against Dutch turks.
The dutch don't lower themselves to such a level.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: 23432

Turks will be attacked in Holland and Dutch Government will blame Erdogan as a culprit of these attacks .

Actually it is the other way around, it is turks against Dutch turks.
The dutch don't lower themselves to such a level.

I wonder if you realize how brain washed you sound ?


This clip tells you the naked truth .





You know that horse you are sitting on soooo high that it is sure to be painfull when you fall off.

I mean that horse is so high , you probably aren't even hearing anything I say .

Maybe if I shout , it might work :

HOW MANY REFUGEES YOU WANT ?
THERE ARE 60 MILLION TO GO , PROBABLY MORE TO COME TOO.

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No question of sitting on a high horse, just the observation of what is happening.
It isn't the Netherlands that is insulting and threatening with holy wars even, nor are the dutch threatening turkish citizens.
The opposite however, is happening, even some of our politicians of turkish descent quit their job due to threats out of the pro erdogan corner.

As for the clip which you posted, i (like everyone else i think) would love to see Turkey do well economically.
It did well until 2015, the IMF has nothing to do with it because that was fulfilled in 2012.
The decline is because of Russian sanctions which were laid up on Turkey after the Russian jet was taken down and the pilots killed.
Of course the attacks also have had and will continue to have effect on toerism in Turkey.



The Netherlands is by far the biggest investor in Turkey, Europe as a whole is, and Turkey is simply talking about holy wars on Europe, insulting and nagging every day.
Placing sanctions on the Netherlands in idiotic areas where it doesn't affect us nor themselves in any way.

So what game is being played?

originally posted by: BeneGesseritWitch
a reply to: 23432

I really like you your like a more educated version of myself; saying your guy says it like it is. You know some people could argue Trump says it like it is.
I'm not even going to argue the importance of Erdogan (I wouldnt even be able to get his name right unless your comment was right above mine) in your political system. Turkey's place on the global stage has long been that of polarized constituency and a melting pot.
This thread,
alluded to Turkey's growing influence on Europe because of that position of the established difference of west vs east; the fact that two days before an election, after the proper channels told the state their officials were not welcomed continued down the path with a determination and uncharacteristically deceptive manner, I mean a motorcade of cars would work for a car thief in this part of the world, but to even think you could hide a political character in one of them so far from home, Turkey really deserves a part in the EU.

Erdogan is from the heart of Byzantine District of Istanbul ; he gained his phd of humanity on the back alleys of Byzantine , Contantinapolis , istanbul.

So the car business is an easy set up .
Turks are parting ther ways with European Union and it's long overdue indeed .
European people aren't really use to regard the Non Europeans as their equals and in it's current form the EU is a non working Club which doesn't really benefit all the members but a few .

You see the irony of the situation is highlighted absurdly when in fact I can travel from London to Peking , just speaking Turkish and I would be just fine .

Turks could have saved the EU and Ukraine & Russia would have joined too but that concept is a bit too much to handle for the Judeo-Christian Heritage of originally pagan Europeans.

Year 2017 will be interesting indeed , especially now everyone has gathered around the gates of Armeggeddon.



Thank you for the compliment ; I like you back .

I don't think there is a way for the Dutch to look good at this at the end of the day ...

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: 23432


So what game is being played?

World is bigger than 5 is the name of the game that Erdogan is playing .




Why is injustice and oppression goes on and how to create a better World by Erdogan .





Erdogan speaks for 1.7 billion people worldwide ; better to take what he has to say seriously and most importantly , stop throwing stones while living in a " Glass House " .

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While i was very opposed to EU politicians in Ukraine, this is in no way the same.
It was about an association between the EU and Ukraine which ignited the orange revolution when Yanukovych stepped away from it.
So the EU was a party in it, yet, Ukraine has the right to self-determination.
Although it was far to late for any meddling at the time the Politicians were in Ukraine, they should have sought contact with Putin and Yanukovych in the early stages and have a joint statement to the people.
This would have prevented much bloodshed.


The Netherlands is no party in the pending Turkish domestic referendum, the dutch turks are dutch citizens.
Eventhough, there was no problem with the turkish minister coming to the Netherlands, but the threats made in the media towards the Netherlands and the intent to have a massive manifestation meant that the Netherlands had no other option then to retract the landing rights and declare his visit unwelcome.
Later in the day, another minister drove into the Netherlands unannounced despite the Turkish authorities had said that there would be no other visit.
It was simply provocative, misleading and with total disrespect to the Netherlands.
Without threats and having a normal meeting with turks in big hall or at the Turkish ambassy, there would have been no problem, Turkish institutions in the Netherlands are quite capable to spread flyers in order to reach every dutch turk with a double pasport.

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The permanent members.
Russia, China, US, UK, France.

Non-permanent, elected every two years. 2017-2018
Bolivia 2018, Egypt 2017, Ethiopia 2018, Italy 2018, Japan 2017, Kazakhstan 2018, Senegal 2017, Sweden 2018, Ukraine 2017, Uruguay 2017.

Turkey was part of the counsil in 2009 and 2010
Pakistan 2012 and 2013
Nigeria 2014 and 2015
Azerbaijan 2012 and 2013
Bosnia 2010 and 2011
India 2011 and 2012
Lebanon 2010 and 2011
Malaysia 2015 and 2016
Morocco 2012 and 2013

Saudi Arabia was scheduled to be part of the UN security council in 2014 and 2015, but they declined due to not being in the position to take the seat. that is what the letter from Saudi Arabia to the UN council states.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: 23432

The permanent members.
Russia, China, US, UK, France.

Non-permanent, elected every two years. 2017-2018
Bolivia 2018, Egypt 2017, Ethiopia 2018, Italy 2018, Japan 2017, Kazakhstan 2018, Senegal 2017, Sweden 2018, Ukraine 2017, Uruguay 2017.

Turkey was part of the counsil in 2009 and 2010
Pakistan 2012 and 2013
Nigeria 2014 and 2015
Azerbaijan 2012 and 2013
Bosnia 2010 and 2011
India 2011 and 2012
Lebanon 2010 and 2011
Malaysia 2015 and 2016
Morocco 2012 and 2013

Saudi Arabia was scheduled to be part of the UN security council in 2014 and 2015, but they declined due to not being in the position to take the seat. that is what the letter from Saudi Arabia to the UN council states.

So you are in agreement with Erdogan ?

a reply to: 23432

Yes and no.

Yes, because it is always good to look at old formats.

No, because muslim countries are members of the UN security council, albeit non permanent which means there is a roulation between members of the UN.
There is an absence of a permanent member of the African continent.
So the permanent base could be broadened.

A vote is always with either 15 members of the current council, or broad on important resolutions (60 members)
So there is no question of listening to 5.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: 23432

Yes and no.

Yes, because it is always good to look at old formats.

No, because muslim countries are members of the UN security council, albeit non permanent which means there is a roulation between members of the UN.
There is an absence of a permanent member of the African continent.
So the permanent base could be broadened.

A vote is always with either 15 members of the current council, or broad on important resolutions (60 members)
So there is no question of listening to 5.

You do realize that we are talking about 1.7 billion people who are not represented in the permanent council of UN .

I would not have the audacity to usurp the democratic rights of these muslims .

a reply to: 23432

" Infestation " , eh ?

Yes.

So officially get invited by Dutch Government to help build Netherlands up to what it is and get referred as " infestation " .

Yes, you were called "gastarbeiders" or "guestworkers". Guests should go home eventually. You know the saying, "guests are like fish, they begin to stink after a few days."

Especially if they don't actually work.....

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I don't live in Holland but I could if I wanted to because the Law gives me a " Right " to do so .

The first thing we need to do is get rid of this double nationality. If people like you are so damn proud of their beloved Turkey then they should all go live there and give up their Dutch nationality.

I also like my smokes but that is besides the issue .

Can't smoke your smokes in Turkey?

I have number of citizenships and I vote in number of Countries . Why should I give up my " Right " to vote ?

Why should we have foreign elements that have no allegiance to our country vote in our country. Like I said we need to change the law to stop foreign elements like you.

originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: 23432

" Infestation " , eh ?

Yes.

So officially get invited by Dutch Government to help build Netherlands up to what it is and get referred as " infestation " .

Yes, you were called "gastarbeiders" or "guestworkers". Guests should go home eventually. You know the saying, "guests are like fish, they begin to stink after a few days."

Especially if they don't actually work.....

Infestation is a term used to de-humanise a segment of the population .
One day , don't get surprised if the same term is used to de-humanise you and your family.

As for the guest workers issue ; if they are not needed the governments who invited them should un-invite them .

originally posted by: WaxingGibbons
a reply to: 23432

I don't live in Holland but I could if I wanted to because the Law gives me a " Right " to do so .

The first thing we need to do is get rid of this double nationality. If people like you are so damn proud of their beloved Turkey then they should all go live there and give up their Dutch nationality.

I am proud of lots of different places and different peoples of earth , including the Dutch allthough I am not a citizen of Netherlands .For the record I don't have a double citizenship ; I am a proud citizen of 4 nations .
You are just a provincial individual who doesn't understand and therefore fear me.

I also like my smokes but that is besides the issue .

Can't smoke your smokes in Turkey?

I smoke wherever my heart desires , including Istanbul ,NY , London , Moscow and Amsterdam . I think I call this act of smoking a freedom issue above all ; nothing to do with nationalism nor religion.

I have number of citizenships and I vote in number of Countries . Why should I give up my " Right " to vote ?

Why should we have foreign elements that have no allegiance to our country vote in our country. Like I said we need to change the law to stop foreign elements like you.

You want to take away the rights of people ?
Good luck with that approach of " papers please " method of " freedom " ; enjoy it while it lasts because the path you are taking up leads to a microchipped population where the control is at the hands of your overlords .

What we need to do is to change the Law but not how you want it to be ; otherwise Europe is going for a 100 years of wars against one another and you are claiming that the gasoline you have in your hand is for extinguishing the flames .

Oh , the irony !!

What have these people ever done to you ?

Why would you attack their civil rights and proclaim that you are only doing for their well being ?

Slowly regressing yet unable to understand what is happening to your own thought processes ; it must be difficult .

Italy, Germany, France and the Netherlands under direct political order of Renzi, Gentiloni, Macron, Merkel and Rutte are plotting a coup against Erdogan for this summer. They are hoping to create a provocation that leads Turkey into a war with what the west calls Kurdish people in Norther Syria. In the chaos that such an event would create, the EU would support Turkish opposition into overthrowing Erdogan.

All Turkey has to do, is not to attempt any invasion of northern Syria. That will deadlock the west in an unprecedented manner, in a ridiculous situation.

The dutch government has ordered already since the 70s to have all buildings in the WTC "Zuidas" area in Amsterdam rigged with explosives since their construction! Al the buildings in Amsterdam's WTC use emergency demolition systems,
based on explosive charges that are ready to go off at the push of a button!

This is the way the west deals with buildings they don't like apparently.

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