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originally posted by: chrismir
originally posted by: 23432
A women minister with a diplomatic immunity have been prevented illegaly to go her own merry way i.e the Turkish Embassy which is a Turkish Land according to internationla agreements .
After the minister of foreign affairs was not allowed, they sent the minister of family affairs, who happened to be in Germany. They used multiple colones on various routes to mislead the Dutch authorities. The Turkish consulate ensured the mayor of Rotterdam no further events were planned and no more visits were expected, while they knew the minister of family affairs was on route. Again misleading in the dirtiest way. She had only one sneaky intent to go there, ignoring the Dutch governement completelly and have their rally.
This is not about freedom of speech/travel. This is about who can make calls on what happens on our soil.
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Judging by your remarks on the Turkish genocide of Armenians and imperialism I am forced to conclude that it is not just your rudimentary grasp of the English language that is causing you to display such poor comprehension and delusion.
This thread is about freedom of travel and freedom of speech .
Nice try but please stop trolling and flaming .
Engaging in open discussion is neither trolling or flaming.
Backward Country argument is a well establish flame initiator and the Armenian issue is out right trolling .
You are also ignorant about few things pertaining to Turks it seems.
The truth is the fire that burns hottest.
originally posted by: 23432
You seem to be under the impression that freedom of travel is subject to current governments interpretation.
Lawfull thing to do would be the arrest and charge the individual concerned with a crime .
She does have a right to ignore the Dutch Government's unlawfull and illegal orders .
At the end of the day an individual with a valid passport and diplomatic immunity has been prevented from travelling .
I repeat the Turkish Embassy is NOT your land according to agreements signed .
Many Dutch Turks are angry too.
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
Judging by your remarks on the Turkish genocide of Armenians and imperialism I am forced to conclude that it is not just your rudimentary grasp of the English language that is causing you to display such poor comprehension and delusion.
This thread is about freedom of travel and freedom of speech .
Nice try but please stop trolling and flaming .
Engaging in open discussion is neither trolling or flaming.
Backward Country argument is a well establish flame initiator and the Armenian issue is out right trolling .
You are also ignorant about few things pertaining to Turks it seems.
The truth is the fire that burns hottest.
Truth is you are ignorant and also go around adhering to stereotyping in the worst way possible .
I repeat the Turkish Embassy is NOT your land according to agreements signed .
VIDEO: Man raises Turkish flag at Dutch consulate in Istanbul Twitter Link— Hürriyet Daily News (@HDNER) March 12, 2017
originally posted by: antoinemarionette
Turkish Riots in the Netherlands
This is a fair estimate of what is going on in Holland by one of YouTube's better researchers Stephen Molyneaux.
originally posted by: CulturalResilience
So do you deny that Turkish people murdered thousands of other people because of who they were and what they believed? Because that is the absolute height of ignorance. What stereotypes exactly do I adhere to?
originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: 23432
I repeat the Turkish Embassy is NOT your land according to agreements signed .
And yet a person raises Turkish flag at Dutch consulate who took down the Holland Flag and replace it with. How that action is acceptable under the treaties signed ? I never saw anyone from the Turks say how wrong that was. Also where was the Police ?
VIDEO: Man raises Turkish flag at Dutch consulate in Istanbul Twitter Link— Hürriyet Daily News (@HDNER) March 12, 2017
Peace
It is obvious that Erdogan is attempting to create an international incident.
BREAKING Turkish Deputy PM Kurtulmuş: Turkey bans Dutch ambassador fm entering Turkey, diplomatic flights, high-level govt meetings. Twitter Link— CNN Türk ENG (@CNNTURK_ENG) March 13, 2017
originally posted by: Seed76
a reply to: antoinemarionette
It is obvious that Erdogan is attempting to create an international incident.
Yes, and that is because of the referendum. He is trying to say to the Turks, that the "big bad EU", who harbors "terrorists", are trying to fight him. In other words Erdogan needs a get away card in case the Turks vote "NO".
Just an update :
BREAKING Turkish Deputy PM Kurtulmuş: Turkey bans Dutch ambassador fm entering Turkey, diplomatic flights, high-level govt meetings. Twitter Link— CNN Türk ENG (@CNNTURK_ENG) March 13, 2017
Second link by RT: Turkey bans Dutch ambassador, suspends diplomatic flights and high-level govt meetings - Deputy PM
Peace
originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: antoinemarionette
Honestly, I really don't see Turkey remaining in NATO much longer. Especially after incidents like this. Plus, Erdogan all but blamed the U.S. on the possibly faked coup. Nato allies don't act like that. I think Erdogan is un-hinged.
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: antoinemarionette
Honestly, I really don't see Turkey remaining in NATO much longer. Especially after incidents like this. Plus, Erdogan all but blamed the U.S. on the possibly faked coup. Nato allies don't act like that. I think Erdogan is un-hinged.
Without Turks , there is no NATO .
Erdogan is not hinged he is a pious muslim who wants muslims to unite .
The leader of the Coup resides in USA and supported and operated by CIA since 1960's.
Turks don't need Nato for their defence ; on the contrary Nato needs Turks to secure the southern eastern bloc of Nato .
Dutch wants Turk to provide security but they think that Turk is inferior to them because of religion and/or skin colour .
Turk ain't playing that game .
I am using the original Zildjian , are you sure you've not been had with the ones you are relying on ?
Dutch wants Turk to provide security but they think that Turk is inferior to them because of religion and/or skin colour .
originally posted by: Wookiep
originally posted by: 23432
originally posted by: Wookiep
a reply to: antoinemarionette
Honestly, I really don't see Turkey remaining in NATO much longer. Especially after incidents like this. Plus, Erdogan all but blamed the U.S. on the possibly faked coup. Nato allies don't act like that. I think Erdogan is un-hinged.
Without Turks , there is no NATO .
Erdogan is not hinged he is a pious muslim who wants muslims to unite .
The leader of the Coup resides in USA and supported and operated by CIA since 1960's.
Turks don't need Nato for their defence ; on the contrary Nato needs Turks to secure the southern eastern bloc of Nato .
Dutch wants Turk to provide security but they think that Turk is inferior to them because of religion and/or skin colour .
Turk ain't playing that game .
I am using the original Zildjian , are you sure you've not been had with the ones you are relying on ?
I'm sure the U.S. has had involvement in staging coups in the past (Arab Spring), and perhaps there was some possible influence/connection. But the whole thing seemed shady. I don't claim to know the answers, because I don't. A lot of theories flying around on that one. One of them being a staged Coup by Edrogan himself.
However regarding this quote -
Dutch wants Turk to provide security but they think that Turk is inferior to them because of religion and/or skin colour .
Yeah, that's BS. Here in the U.S. the liberals say that nonsense all the time in order to push their own liberal agenda. When in fact the whole "racist" mantra going on in the U.S. and globally is nothing more than a boogeyman that does not exist en mass like the liberal media tries to teach us constantly.
People simply do not want a radical and violent ideology ultimately leading to Sharia Law within western culture. That needs to stay in the middle east, and it's NOT "racist" to have a strong stance on it.
Good luck in your campaign for the Turks.
pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca...:+ blogspot/OUjWN+(Penny+for+your+thoughts)
Turkey was manipulated into NATO to take advantage of it’s geographical location with the encouragement of Kurdish agitation/ors Yes, that's how long the Kurds have been proxies for NATO/UK and Russia. As was covered in Caroll Quigley’s book: Tragedy and Hope.
Turkish authorities have sealed off the Dutch embassy and consulate, sources at Turkey’s foreign ministry have said, in the latest incident in a tit-for-tat row between the two countries over Turkish campaigning in Europe. Turkey also closed off the residences of the Dutch ambassador, charge d’affaires and consul general as tensions between the Nato partners escalated after the Dutch government barred Turkey’s foreign minister from flying to Rotterdam.