Netherlands government to counter Trump abortion funding ban

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Actually we wouldn't see a change in spending. The Mexico City policy specifically refers to NGOs that receive their funding through USAID. USAID's budget is already set for the year. So if they are unable to provide funding to the International Planned Parenthood Federation (which happened the first time the Mexico City policy was enacted) then that money will just go to a different NGO.

This policy does nothing to save money. It serves no other purpose than to try to turn the US into the world's morality police.

a reply to: windword

And I don't know how you can rationalize elective abortion (again, like I had to tell Dawnstar, I'm speaking about elective abortions, here, when it comes to my comment about generalized "abortion") as being a good thing overall.

We differ on opinion, and we always do on this topic. Move on to someone else if you want to continue this discussion--rationalize it all that you want, and then be perplexed when other people hold differing opinions about the appropriate use of tax dollars all that you want, just do it with someone else. I'm tired of this merry-go-round ride.

Just remember this--get in bed with the government (e.g.: Take their funding), you have to play by the rules of whichever administration is in office. That's the nature of making deals with the devil. I guess it's all fun and games until someone with whom you disagree suddenly holds 'the power of the pen.'

ETA: A hospital in Bangladesh shouldn't be receiving taxpayer dollars from the U.S. anyhow. Period.

I know, I know...I'm a terrible person.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

yes, just take a look at how the catholic hospitals are operating and see just how questionable that "medical necessity" becomes when it's placed in the real life world.

a reply to: Martin75

I think its called " repeal and replace"

a reply to: Xcalibur254

When, in fact, we shouldn't be funding the world to begin with, morals or otherwise. We can't even afford our own annual budgets--it makes no fiscal sense, moral sense, or any other sense.

Hell, I could go on about how immoral it is to take my income and give it to other countries without my consent, but that's another thread for another day.

Don't pretend like there is some moral high ground, here. It's all about perspective and what way you want to see the issue.

originally posted by: Fools
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Why should anyone care? The Dutch will be Muslim in 20 years.

And rightfully so? Because A Dutch minister made a proposition that doesn't affect you, Trump or the US as a whole?

Screw you man.

And there will be war before we will be muslim.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

TBH, i'd prefer it this way. Remove our government from the equation altogether. If the Dutch wanna grandstand, im ok with that. Its a good nation of good people.

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Xcalibur254

When, in fact, we shouldn't be funding the world to begin with, morals or otherwise. We can't even afford our own annual budgets--it makes no fiscal sense, moral sense, or any other sense.

Hell, I could go on about how immoral it is to take my income and give it to other countries without my consent, but that's another thread for another day.

Don't pretend like there is some moral high ground, here. It's all about perspective and what way you want to see the issue.

The only excuse I can think of? Somebody, a politician or government bureaucrat, is getting a kickback in some way.

a reply to: dawnstar

Again, now you're going off on a tangent. Like with Windword, I'm hopping off of this predictable merry-go-round ride with you, too. It never goes anywhere, and I'm too tired to argue for the sake of arguing today.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

A hospital in Bangladesh shouldn't be receiving taxpayer dollars from the U.S. anyhow. Period.

ETA: A hospital in Bangladesh shouldn't be receiving taxpayer dollars from the U.S. anyhow. Period.

So, it's money, not morality. Just say so, and stop pretending that your sense of charity doesn't have anything to do with morality.

a reply to: VinylTyrant

The Netherlands are too busy getting high to know what the he'll theure talking about.

Sure, and you do?

Drug use in the Netherlands is relatively low in comparison to other countries, like America for instance.

www.drugwarfacts.org...

Even when it comes to Marihuana.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

So you don't think the US should spend any money on any organization that provides foreign aid? For example, Doctors Without Borders receives part of their funding through USAID. Do you think we should cut off all funding to that particular organization?

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Xcalibur254

When, in fact, we shouldn't be funding the world to begin with, morals or otherwise. We can't even afford our own annual budgets--it makes no fiscal sense, moral sense, or any other sense.

Hell, I could go on about how immoral it is to take my income and give it to other countries without my consent, but that's another thread for another day.

Don't pretend like there is some moral high ground, here. It's all about perspective and what way you want to see the issue.

lol... they aren't taking your money and giving it to other countries... your money is going to pay back for what we spent a decade or more ago... they are taking your kid's money or maybe even your grandkids money...

this argument doesn't hold much water though when the administration is considering spending much more money to move their embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem just to give isreal more credibility to their claim to the city!

a reply to: windword

Its principle for some, religious for many others. Money is the facade of the argument, as the amount is miniscule within our national budget.

My objection to federal funding is principle, but i don't carry a strong enough objection to want to see it removed. Mostly because my feelings on abortion are so convoluted (i love liberty too much to try to tell others what to do, but love life enough that I hate feeling that way).

But thats at the root. Folks who object for morality are mostly religious. Everyone else objects due to principle.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I have to say that if the Netherlands can keep up this troll game it should make for an entertaining four years.

The election will be soon and chances are that Wilders will be our new prime minister, so I wouldn't expect too much leftist support.

Wilders/Trump baby!

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I am of the belief that, if such private organizations are needed and wanted in the world, that there are other ways to receive enough money to survive rather than holding out your hand to daddy government.

I mean, hell, have you seen some of the BS things to which people donate on sites like GoFundMe? There's plenty of money from private individuals and industry to support nearly anything that people want to do in this world.

I'm tired of the reliance on government to fund everything from shrimp walking on treadmills to perpetual wars in nations that have always been at war with each other since written history of the nations has existed.

We are a wasteful government with the money that it takes (through thread of criminal prosecution) from its citizenry--maybe if we'd quit wasting all of that money, lower our taxes, and leave us with more of our own property (income monies), then we'd be able to do more as individuals with our economic power and not have to discuss the "morality" of a nation's use of forced taxation to support extra-national hospitals and clinics, no matter if they offer abortion-related services or not.

a reply to: dawnstar

Ah, yes...another deflection and false comparison. This is why I shake my head every time that a response from you comes up in my inbox on threads like this.

Again, this ride is over. Seacrest, out!

a reply to: SlapMonkey

Last year USAID's budget was $27.2 billion. That means the average US citizen spent less than $100 on funding USAID. In contrast the average US citizen spent over $1600 funding the DOD. Maybe before we start cutting things that provide foreign aid we should cut those things that cause those nations to need foreign aid in the first place.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

gee, to think that I starred your previous post...
is there a way I can take it back??

no, you don't have to respond to this post, or any future posts even..
but.. don't see how you can keep me from responding to yours!

originally posted by: crazyewok
Ok well that th Netherland tax payers money.

If Netherland citizens are happy with there money being wasted abroad....good on them I guess.

Because the citizens of the Netherlands came up with this? Or were asked their opinion? No we are not happy with that.

I am sure the scummy leftwingers are delighted to pick up the bill but hopefully it is over for them soon.

People should realize we are just as divided overhere as the US is.