God creates us and loves us but if you're gay you go to hell?

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: auto3000

Sorry I am going to need proof that this is Jehovah's will. Not some uptight clerics

My Gods are less uptight, and as a consequence, expect you to own your own mistakes, not rely on amorphous little laws.

sounds like your Gods are subject to you, that speaks volumes.

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

which "claimed absolute" would you be referring to?

God

This god is not an absolute to me...

in fact i believe it is false god, or a creation of man...

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: auto3000

10 “‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. 11 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his father’s wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 12 “‘If a man has sexual relations with his daughter-in-law, both of them are to be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads. 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. 14 “‘If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you. 15 “‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he is to be put to death, and you must kill the animal. 16 “‘If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Why are you singling out homosexuality. All sexual morality has the same consequence. This doesn't show that homosexual intercourse is any different than premarital intercourse or incest. They are all sexually immoral acts. They all are a sin, and yet they can all be forgiven thru Christ.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

which "claimed absolute" would you be referring to?

God

This god is not an absolute to me...

in fact i believe it is false god, or a creation of man...

it is evident that you don't believe it now how would we know rather it's the case or not?

a reply to: auto3000

evidence of which is in the texts...

the OT god is nothing like the God Jesus describes... not even remotely similar

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

evidence of which is in the texts...

the OT god is nothing like the God Jesus describes... not even remotely similar

by what standards?....give me an example?

a reply to: Noinden

That's why there are soooooo many religions. Man doesn't like the rules of Jesus/God so he creates a religion to follow that's more fitting. Swingers choose to be Buddhist because you can do whatever you want as long as it feels good and doesn't hurt anyone and your safe, 7 Day Adventists reserve Saturday as the sabbath so if they praise on a Saturday and change their diet they are safe and everyone else isn't, Mormons , Jahovah Witnesses, there are so many with so many different rules but none of these will get you into Heaven. In the beginning they're was GOD, nothing else, no religions, no rituals, no other gods. You just need to research your claims. Then we can talk.

a reply to: TAECOLE7

Yeah you are speaking from an orifice other than that which evolution gave you.

I'm a Pagan, and I am monogomous. Yet many early Christian sects were "swingers".

Try again. I know a great deal more about the various religions, than you do it appears.

a reply to: auto3000

It appears you have comprehension issues. My Gods expect me to take responsibility for my own actions. Not blame devils, or the wiles of women, for my own screw ups. I don't need a saviour, I can fix my own problems, or not, that is my problem.

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

evidence of which is in the texts...

the OT god is nothing like the God Jesus describes... not even remotely similar

by what standards?....give me an example?

what standards?

By the words of the very book we're speaking of...

Heres an old thread of mine

Jesus vs the Imposter

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: auto3000

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: auto3000

evidence of which is in the texts...

the OT god is nothing like the God Jesus describes... not even remotely similar

by what standards?....give me an example?

what standards?

By the words of the very book we're speaking of...

Heres an old thread of mine

Jesus vs the Imposter

oh nooo, let me guess, you love facts don't you?......so you only understand God's outer knowledge?....I didn't know that before but that's ok.....it doesn't have to be seen as a bad thing, I just didn't know.

a reply to: auto3000

So if you do not know, you can not prove it. It is simply a shared Gnosis you have. Not eídein. Thus you are speaking an opinion, not a fact. QED

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: auto3000

So if you do not know, you can not prove it. It is simply a shared Gnosis you have. Not eídein. Thus you are speaking an opinion, not a fact. QED

false but nice attempt, if the evidence of all things known is that they are proven then that would mean either a person only knows facts or they believe that both fundamental dimensions of reality are subject to human reasoning therefor making them absolute which is a fallacy.

a reply to: auto3000

Neighbour, you need to prove it to be false. You've shown yourself to be impartial, and biased .This Hitchens Razor shall be applied, least you provide proof.

You have yet to demonstrate you are speaking little Jehovah's will, let alone a universal truth. If you understood the history of the attitude you are exposing, you would not be so glib.

a reply to: auto3000
What is your agenda?

originally posted by: TAECOLE7
a reply to: Noinden

That's why there are soooooo many religions. Man doesn't like the rules of Jesus/God so he creates a religion to follow that's more fitting. Swingers choose to be Buddhist because you can do whatever you want as long as it feels good and doesn't hurt anyone and your safe, 7 Day Adventists reserve Saturday as the sabbath so if they praise on a Saturday and change their diet they are safe and everyone else isn't, Mormons , Jahovah Witnesses, there are so many with so many different rules but none of these will get you into Heaven. In the beginning they're was GOD, nothing else, no religions, no rituals, no other gods. You just need to research your claims. Then we can talk.

Ummm... Buddhism is 500 years OLDER than Christianity.........

The three wise men whom travelled across the desert following the star of Jerusalem to give gifts to Jesus were..... Astrozorian.

All the other religions you speak of are offshoots of Christianity. So they are still..... Christianity.

The most original and intact churches are the ones like the Ethiopian Orthodox whom practise something that resembles a true successor to Judaism.

Your point is very vague and without any solid basis.

originally posted by: Noinden
a reply to: auto3000

Neighbour, you need to prove it to be false. You've shown yourself to be impartial, and biased .This Hitchens Razor shall be applied, least you provide proof.

You have yet to demonstrate you are speaking little Jehovah's will, let alone a universal truth. If you understood the history of the attitude you are exposing, you would not be so glib.

NO sir, anything that is proven are only those which are subject to a person, a man doesn't arrive at knowing that he was created by a sovereign source by that source first revealing himself in accordance to the reasoning of the creation. That's like a parent being subject to the desire of the child so that the child will realize the position of the parent. The question to ask oneself is this: are we lacking belief over what we're not convinced of or what we don't want? Now concerning my attitude, because we are not in front of each other, our body languages cannot be observed so if you're getting a negative impression that reminds you of the same historically my apologies. I believe you are a smart individual.

originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: auto3000
What is your agenda?

*note* Satan wondered the same thing about Jesus, he recognized much of his speeking but, he could not perceive where it all was really heading. What would have happened if the adversary would have known about the plan? Those who followed Jesus were ones seeking the truth not seeking anything else.

Does god hate Gays? I don't think he does......

As adults lets stand back and consider that if God hates people due to moral or sexual practice then there are far worse fetishes, practices and kinks not to mention adultery before we even get to the point of "man on man" love or "woman on woman" love.

It is all about preaching hate not preaching religion .....usually by people who see themselves as being morally above everyone else and quite grandiose if truth be told. They use fear which is induced by manipulating and interpreting the scriptures in a way they can use it to influence people. Its just another form of mind and people control.

If your a minority your going to sooner or later be a target from these people.

At the end of it all , live your life. Be honest don't commit theft or murder, treat others how you like to be treated and try to help others when you can. That should be more of a concern than whether someone is Gay

and anyway does God hate Gays? ............well we wont know till we meet him.......if there is a God

a reply to: CHONGO

I disagree with that statement, because at the beginning of these religions, all of them, at the beginning they all seen to be about teaching the ignorant masses how to live moral, descent, and clean and healthy lives. Then somewhere along the way those that were in the church realized what they had and began to use it to their will, and eventually evolved into the monster that it is now.