Trump Supporters/ Alt Right Turning To Occultism - ""Meme Magic"" and Pepe

Let me Preface this! By saying I do not claim any truth value or belief in the validity of these sorts of practices. However you will see soon that there is an element within this alt-right movement that does believe in them.

1. The "Pol" forum on the sites 4chan and "8ch" are the "hub" of the alt right movement. The site 8ch proclaims itself as "The Darkest Reaches of the Internet".
The Pol forum essentially has an "Anything goes" policy and looking at it you will find anything from pornos to antisemetic rants and people "doxing" the information of public officials. The chaotic environment and high volume of posts is important to note.


Every now and then, you will see posts like, "Should I get into paganism?" or, "Explain the meaning behind the Black Sun?". And sometimes you'll find a post like this:





Hmm now what is he talking about? Meme magic? Transhumanism? What the crud is that?

Now surely... this is a comedy site, this guy must be Trolling and joking around...?



2.

Now you don't have to watch this whole 40 min video (but feel free to). At first I thought this "Red Ice" channel was some sort of conspiracy theory network, so I decided to take a look. It turns out though!! They are self-styled White Supremacist Occultists! Here is some of the stuff they mention:



An ancient Egyptian Deity, Kek or Kuk. From the Wikipedia page (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kek_(mythology) ), "the deification of the concept of primordial darkness". Represented as a frog. Yes, It's that frog. The Trump meme frog or whatever....




A meme of the Pepe frog as the Deity "Kek".

They also go deeper into this "Meme Magic" stuff-- The guy being interviewed, StyxHexenHammer666, a self styled Occultist who posts YouTube videos on the subject-- claims it's a form of "Chaos Magick", that the spreading of memes which talk about Kek or Kuk or the frog is summoning up power to "invoke" this deity.


Now this is crazy right!! These guys have to be nuts! I don't know what kind of "power" they're tapping into but I want nothing to do with it. They also claim that they're members of the "Alt right" and that they're pushing some sort of racial supremacy crap.


3. Knowing that there is in fact serious discussion going on about this stuff among the Alt Righters, I decided to pay another visit to that pol post...







I don't know, what do you guys think of this stuff?

The Alt right is a huge thing right now in the media&politics, and who knows if any of this crap they believe in is true, but do we really want these people and their message to get this much exposure?

4. See for yourself. "Pepe", "Kek", and "Cuck" are the three biggest memes among the Alt right community (and much of the internet at large!)

Pepe - knowyourmeme.com...

Kek - knowyourmeme.com...

Cuck - knowyourmeme.com...

Meme Magic - knowyourmeme.com...

And it so happens that these are all related to the "diety" Kek? Man. Wow. Keep me out of it!


And you gotta wonder... 95%, 99% of people who use these memes... Do you think they know the purpose behind them?

The alt right racism is a shill plant by HRC CTRs because the meme magik was getting too strong.

Research 'tulpas' to get an idea.

Most who were there from the start will back me up on the racism.

Is the magik real? Donald Trump is the POTUS... That is more unbelievable than magik.

Sorry for all the abbreviations I'm going to sleep.

a reply to: lorge

Haha S&f for an interesting read. My brain hurts now so I'm out haha.

a reply to: and14263

So you participate in this stuff? Could you explain it a little more for us? I know I probably wasn't clear on some of it.

a reply to: lorge

Now surely... this is a comedy site, this guy must be Trolling and joking around...?

You should have stopped right there. No one, aside from a few very confused people, think that kek won the election for Trump by using its' powers. kek is in no way believed or worshipped, it is merely a flag for trolling under.

You've got to go back and lurk more.

i think we should keep this stuff off of ATS.

theyre doing fine were they belong.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Top kek.

Never mind

If there's any sort of quasi-mysticism at work, then while perhaps being (wittingly or unwittingly) exploited for influence or dissonance by certain interests, I think much of it is subconscious personally. That said... I do believe "something" is happening at the moment, percolating at the periphery of the internet, but increasingly winding its way into the heart of it... and spilling over into real life.

I used to think the "lel/kek" movement (to the extent it is one - it's more like memetic emergent behavior) was just happening in gaming communities. I thought it was just trolling. But these days I'm not so sure.

I certainly don't believe it's an occult movement by any stretch of the imagination (though I think a small number would like us to believe it is... because the capacity to wield fear of darkness - whether it's really there or not - is power, as Bannon recently alluded to.) But I do think it's a manifestation of a sea change in the zeitgeist, or parts of it. When things happen that are unseen but bear visible manifestations, it can be confusing and shocking, whether by design or merely as a byproduct of the underlying dynamics.

Perhaps it's the principle, albeit largely invisible, mechanism for what I was getting at here. The visible manifestation appears strange and chaotic, hence the trickster. But underneath, those ice bergs connect to a vein of equally chaotic discussion and memetic transmission, which I think is in part what you've described in this topic. Just remember though, that just because it looks mystical, doesn't mean it is. There are two sides to every coin. The stark, empirical side of this coin is sociology. The darker, secluded, more amorphous side of it, is mysticism. (Or the intended perception thereof.)

Archetypes and memes can be very powerful symbols, but they are not themselves the power or the entities... unless you believe they are. Then maybe, for brief periods, as some believe, while literally inanimate, they can functionally act like entities and even effect changes in reality. But it's really just us, all along. (Or is it?) Take your pick.

Disturbing either way? I'd say yes, personally. In either case, misanthropy has been made cool and acceptable and increasingly normalized. Rage - no longer merely outrage - is ascendant.

Peace.

a reply to: ksiezyc

On reddit you don't need to speak in tongues. Right at home.

a reply to: lorge

I did not encounter "Transhumanism" in any of the quotes or links from the op, I only saw "post-human". Although the terms are related, they carry very different meanings. Transhumanism is a type of Posthumanism, but Posthumanism is not Transhumanism. Your op has nothing to do with Transhumanism.

I travel within the social circles of occultists, and I must say, occultism knows no political bounds. To declare occultism as an Alt-Right trend is a complete fabrication, for I have met more occultist from the Left, the Democratic Party, and the Liberal Movement than I have from the Right, Alt-Right, or Republican Party. Although this is my own experience and observation, I reiterate that occultism knows no political bounds.

a reply to: lorge

Can confirm meme magic is real.
Shadilay!
777

originally posted by: lorge
Let me Preface this! By saying I do not claim any truth value or belief in the validity of these sorts of practices. However you will see soon that there is an element within this alt-right movement that does believe in them...

You have explained the principles of kek perfectly. Not in what you have said, but in what you have done.

Top kek is had when normies try to understand what kek is.

Kek is nothing. Getting people to write posts claiming that kek is actually something, is top kek.

The more extravagant or ridiculous the explanation of what kek is, the toppier it is.

Shadilay!

a reply to: odzeandennz

Heh I'm just teasing you. I'm still not sure what that phrase means, "top kek".

originally posted by: and14263
The alt right racism is a shill plant by HRC CTRs because the meme magik was getting too strong.

That isn't true though. It's not exactly so black and white as being Racist or not Racist though either.

True some Alt-Right may not be Racist over all but the Alt-Right movement itself, from the start and at it's core does in fact hold strong to the principle of being Anti-Jew. This cannot be dismissed or ignored. That alone, by definition is Racism.

It's not with all Alt-Righters obviously. But to say it's a plant or doesn't exist is just false.

People like to point out the inclusion of many Pro-White organizations too but they aren't the core of the movement. They have joined together in a lot of cases as they are heading in a similar direction however their goal in many cases may not be the same nor their ideas on how to get there. But they are aligned and willing to work with each other as a means to an end even if that end may vary to some degree.

a reply to: lorge

It's starting to form it's own mythology behind the movement. This isn't too much of a surprise actually. You get enough people organized and thinking the same way and this will eventually start happening.

Personally I find it to be very interesting actually. Meme magic is like any other form of magic basically. It's just a different method. Magic in all forms (other than stage magic) is the same at it's core. It's about using "will" to alter or manipulate reality. Whether it's Voodoo or Pagan magic or whatever. It's about using the power of ones "Will" to make that reality actually happen. Meme's are just a new way of doing it. Meme's in other words could be considered what a Magic Spell Scroll or Potion would have been in the past. It's the tool being used to focus that "Will" to achieve what is desired.

a reply to: Sahabi

The reference to transhumanism was from this post



where it's referenced in the URL. But in the actual text it's referred to as "post-humanism". Anyway thanks. And wow, I didn't expect so many people on here to be "in on it"... usually this is more of a place for fringes and outsiders.

a reply to: ventian

The gentlemen/woman in the video seem to be taking it seriously!

originally posted by: lorge
a reply to: ventian

The gentlemen/woman in the video seem to be taking it seriously!

Of course. Look around the world today. How many people believe seriously in some form of Religious Mythology of one type or another???

This is no different other than we're seeing it's roots of how it started.

originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: odzeandennz

Heh I'm just teasing you. I'm still not sure what that phrase means, "top kek".

Top means top, like the best. Kek means lol.

Basically means "Biggest laugh!"