Latino Churches Afraid Trump Will Deport Their Congregration Prepare to Shelter Them from Trump

a reply to: Tempter

Speaking of Rome a major reason they went down. Very prosperous allowing large number of non-assimilating germanic peoples into the nation mainly to fill the military and later to accept many as refugees from the huns. Then when things go south(lack of revenue to pay the roman army which was full of barbarians) as they always do, the immigrants rebelled killed the emperor and by rebelling prevented the protection of territory from other barbarians.
In latin the Rio Grande translates to the Danube.

a reply to: seasonal

This churches are a joke, they scrape this people from any funds they bring with them illegally or for what poor jobs they get, that is why they want to keep the illegals here, because they are leaching them.

The people are very religious and they rather go hungry than been out of favor with Jesus.

Maybe Latino churches should help their illegal congregation to immigrate legally.

Isn't it a sin to break the laws of the land such as illegally immigrating or harboring illegal immigrants?

I'm not sure on this because I am not religious.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I am not blaming the wrong people.

There is ONE group of people who can prevent hatred taking hold, and only one group. The population. The government insist upon creating hate, and they cannot be stopped by any other than the united citizenry of the nation they seek dominion over.

There are only two ways about it. Either the people unite to prevent their government taking their hearts and turning them sour, NO MATTER WHAT PROVOCATION IS USED, or they allow their government to control them, their actions and their feelings toward their fellow man. The former are decent people who will always defend the vilified against the unreasonable behaviour of the rest, the latter will be puppets to masters that whether they know it or not, have stolen their free will, and lack the fortitude to free themselves from it, all the while considering the best people in their nation to be their mortal enemies.

I am not saying it is supposed to be a cake walk, it has not been for me, and God knows it does not look like it will get any easier for anyone. But easy or not, its the only path which is just, fair, and therefore acceptable.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You will hear me complain when I work four times as hard as everyone I have ever met, and get ten times less than they do to show for it. You will not hear me complain when fascism and classism are erased from the world, but until every person who believes their class or race make them superior to anyone else, has been physically destroyed and their ashes scattered to the wind, I will have something to complain about, something to work toward tearing down, another statue to break the foundations of. What is more, as long as people like you, who have enough money to pay taxes on, consider people who do not to be lesser than yourself, there will always be a war on, and always more of us to fight it, than there will ever be of you, thank Christ.

So that is your cut off point, you shouldn't make that the same cut off point for others. I feel I have given 10 times more than those that have given nothing, and now I am having 20 times more being taken from me. What is it they say? “No good deed goes unpunished”.

There will always be a war on, if people that have enough money to pay taxes, or are lucky enough to live in a hut, have to give up what little they have struggled for, to those that have left their bikes and huts, to come and share the believed riches, of those in a country that they have given nothing.

You can't get blood from a turnip, and trying to blame those that have little, from wanting to hold on to the little they have, does nothing but but the blame where it does not belong.

a reply to: Floridagoat

Would this be the same statute book that says that the mentally ill should be incarcerated in correctional facilities, not properly treated in secured and funded medical institutions built for the purpose? Would these be the same "laws" which permit a man who is caught with an ounce of pot to be jailed for longer than a man who has committed an assault on a minor? Would these be the same laws which enslave the weak, oppress the honest, and embolden the truly guilty?

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: TheBulk

I am afraid that if you cannot see the difference between a nation and a persons dwelling place, then you are never going to figure out a way to argue your position, without engaging in such vast fallacy as to dwarf the very continent you live on.

I'm still trying to figure out what motivates a Brit to promote illegal immigration in someone else's country and demonize the citizens of said country.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I am not blaming the wrong people.

There is ONE group of people who can prevent hatred taking hold, and only one group. The population. The government insist upon creating hate, and they cannot be stopped by any other than the united citizenry of the nation they seek dominion over.

Are you talking about the hatred people like you are inciting for people who just want their laws followed and their sovereignty respected? Most of what you do is give justifications and rationalizations for hating white people.

a reply to: DrStevenBrule

It's the biased religion mindset. Legal citizenship is irrelevant when the blind biased mindset portray's it as a humanitarian issue to hide the part about dues and tax free income.
My ex's grandfather was a church pastor, when he passed there was a bank account turned over to the next pastor that was never touched and never drawn from and only deposits made to during his tenor. The work I did at his Church came out of that mans pocket, I relayed that bit to highlight the hypocrisy that is the tax exempt Churches in our beloved America. It's a scam that has lined the pockets of many off the backs of other's under the guise of "dues" to get into heaven.

You can be sure that Pastor's mindset see's paying prayer's not being able to pay their dues in his place of worship. It would be neat to see what this pastor drives, what his home looks like, i'm sure it wasn't the beat up truck, and old 1940's house that my ex's Grandfather owned.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Mentally Ill people that can't function in society and are deemed a threat to themselves or other's.

Your point? Did you have one?

ETA: Do you see the trend in this thread, your post's no stars, every other post that counter's your logic with stars?

Sad brit true!

a reply to: TrueBrit
You know what I don't understand? Maybe you can help me understand it, because it really gets my gall.

You have people that think that they can just walk into a country, walk over to a piece of land that looks like no one is using it, and it is okay to build their home on it.

You have a group of people that think it is okay to walk into a country and demand that they be fed, sheltered, and provided for, because they want more out of the life than they presently have.

Yet..., If I walked onto land that they own and try to build a house, they will run me off or kill me. If I walked into their house and demanded that they feed, me, shelter me and provide for me, they will run me off or kill me. They can rally together and make demands of a government in a land they have entered illegally, and be ready to fight to the death for their demands, yet they will will not make these same demands of their own government or fight their own government.

Help me make sense out of this, because I think the easiest way to stop this madness is for people to stop creating hate by trying to force people to accept them, when they are not accepting of the people, or even have respect for the laws of the land that they have invaded.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I do not blame them for wanting to hold onto what little they have. I blame them for having low opinions of those who have nothing. I blame them for allowing themselves to be programmed, because they have had the opportunity to learn and to know better than to allow their government to twist their minds against their fellow men, and yet allow it to occur anyway, because for all that their backs may be strong, for all that their work ethic is on point, their hearts are bloody weak, and that is a weakness which is one in which they have A CHOICE!

In a world full of people who are living life on rails, with no actual agency in their fate what so ever, here we are, nations full of people whose right to determine their own destiny is enshrined in law, and even these people cannot prevent themselves from being turned against their fellow man? What respect does that do their ancestors, who fought and died to allow them those rights, to see them become law? What honour does it do them, who gave their lives for the betterment of their descendants, to become the sort of villains they opposed?

None. It pisses on their graves, takes a huge hawking spit all over their journals, their monuments. You may as well expel the contents of your bowel over the Constitution of your country, for all that allowing yourself to become hateful of those who have needs, represents or respects the document, or those who formulated it for your benefit.

a reply to: Floridagoat

Mentally ill people get sent to prison, but do not belong there.

They are ill. Prisons are for people who make conscious choice to break the law. Mentally ill people by definition cannot make that choice.

a reply to: TrueBrit

You're so out of touch with reality is scary Larry. So all mentally ill people get a free pass on crime? No wonder Britain is crumbling!

a reply to: TrueBrit

Since you're actually clueless to America's Mental institute funding, maybe you should look up how Bill Clinton gutted Mental institution funding, then Bush did nothing to reverse it, now Obama perpetuated it, you would be right about Mentally Ill people get sent to prison because they closed all the mental institutes that segregated the mentally ill from real criminals. And if you think there aren't some sick twisted real mentally ill criminals then keep on grazing on that green grass on the other side of the pond cause we got this over here you can deposit that in the bank! Ted Bundy ring a bell?

Make America Mexico Again.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I do not blame them for wanting to hold onto what little they have. I blame them for having low opinions of those who have nothing. I blame them for allowing themselves to be programmed, because they have had the opportunity to learn and to know better than to allow their government to twist their minds against their fellow men, and yet allow it to occur anyway, because for all that their backs may be strong, for all that their work ethic is on point, their hearts are bloody weak, and that is a weakness which is one in which they have A CHOICE!

They have chosen. They have chosen to keep what they have struggled for, what they have earned. They have dreams just like the illegal immigrants. They are not heartless or mindless folk for wanting to keep what belongs to them. I am sure you have not turned over your home and possessions to any of those immigrants fighting to get into your country.

It is easy to give away what belongs to someone else. People are kind, loving, and compassionate. People are willing to share what they have. They can't give what they don't have, and starving next to the illegal immigrant, doesn't do a damn thing for anyone except the ones that are already in control. By destroying your chance of surviving you have just handed over another piece of land to them, and taken one more of us out of the fight.

Be careful though in your enthusiasm for utopia. It comes at a very heavy price, and is extremely subjective. And I have gotten used to being called xenophobic and racist. Uncompassionate, programmed, blinkered, twisted, are just more labels that I can accept being called, when they come from people that don't know me, because if they did know me, the thought of calling me any of them would choke them before they could get them out.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: TrueBrit
You know what I don't understand? Maybe you can help me understand it, because it really gets my gall.

You have people that think that they can just walk into a country, walk over to a piece of land that looks like no one is using it, and it is okay to build their home on it.

Do you mean like the millions of people who had to go and live in tent cities after the markets crashed? The millions of American families who were forced, either in whole or in part to move into tents, makeshift shelters made of tarpaulin and boxes, or trailers, and take residence in land they had no right to or ability to pay for?

You have a group of people that think it is okay to walk into a country and demand that they be fed, sheltered, and provided for, because they want more out of the life than they presently have.

Do you mean the people who suffer daily the very immediate effects of US foreign policy if they stay at home? I mean, those from the middle east who have to put up with the presence of IS, who are a US controlled proxy army of such power that they cannot be countered save by developed nations and their military might? Do you mean the Mexicans who suffer as a result of the existence of the Cartels, a group of criminal cabals which are so powerful precisely because the CIA have made use of, and paid for use of their supply routes for generations now, because no one does skullduggery and smuggling quite as well as they do? Do you mean those who would be happy to fight the cartels, if they could trust that those cartels will not just call for better weapons from north of the border, sent not by any old associate they have up there, but Uncle Sams military industrial complex?

Give me a break. You would not fight those odds either. You would die, or run. Nothing you could mount against that threat could be called a fight and you know it.

Yet..., If I walked onto land that they own and try to build a house, they will run me off or kill me. If I walked into their house and demanded that they feed, me, shelter me and provide for me, they will run me off or kill me. They can rally together and make demands of a government in a land they have entered illegally, and be ready to fight to the death for their demands, yet they will will not make these same demands of their own government or fight their own government.

Help me make sense out of this, because I think the easiest way to stop this madness is for people to stop creating hate by trying to force people to accept them, when they are not accepting of the people, or even have respect for the laws of the land that they have invaded.

False equivalency all over the place. Your nation is the one which causes, straight up causes the War on Terror, and the War on Drugs, and no one in your nation is prepared to accept that this FACT comes with certain responsibilities. You refuse to vote for candidates who want to tear down those systems, prevent that sort of leverage from being applied to either citizen or foreign nation, but instead consistently vote for one or another liar in chief, who you KNOW will only make these things worse, and worse, and worse. You refer to certain people as unelectable, because they refuse to entertain nuclear options, refuse to accept that war is the answer, refuse to accept that prohibition and criminalisation are the answer. These people you see, as being too soft on the issues of the day. And yet if you want a nation which is relatively free of desperate, damaged immigrants, you may not HAVE your drug war, you do not have permission to HAVE your War on Terror.

As long as you permit those things you may not expect to have a lack of immigrants, legal or otherwise, wandering around and why? BECAUSE YOU PERMIT THE CAUSE OF THESE THINGS TO EXIST! These things are YOUR responsibility, your neighbours responsibility, the entire populations responsibility to prevent, by wisdom at the ballot box, by refusal to accept hegemony during the primaries, by constant and total attention paid to every move, overt or covert by your nations government and by one other crucial thing...

If you want the immigration to stop, stop allowing it to affect your mind. That is what the government want from you. That is what they need from you. Total attention paid to entirely the wrong people, the wrong things, the wrong direction. You are watching the hand the magician is using to fool you, not the hand performing the trick itself and you do it ALL THE DAMNED TIME! And then, by Christ, you have the temerity to complain?

a reply to: Floridagoat

You are making this too easy.

I never said that they should be free to roam, to kill or steal or cheat or maim again, did I?

NO! I said they should be in secure mental health institutions. Those are not the same thing at all, are they? If you could stop being disingenuous for long enough to actually comprehend what I wrote, that would be great.

a reply to: TrueBrit

constitution only applies to americans. Sorry its not to apply to the entire world. Its a selfish document that way. SO screw the rest of the planet when it comes to providing for them.

Oh and WW2 era america would like to speak with you about not being able to have a war and secure borders.