Bye bye $15/hr min wage Fast Food jobs

originally posted by: fractal5
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The one and only secure job is computer programmer. Yet I don't fear for our future at all because the less jobs that are needed due to automation, firstly the cheaper growing your own food will be via robotics, and secondly the more money is available for charity. Of course all of this positive future depends entirely on a reduction in rampant immorality and corruption of society. We must stop people from taking other people's property including both money and land without their permission, or our future is bleak.

Not true, I'm a computer programmer. Trust me, the job isn't secure. There's always going to be a need for a few, but not for the numbers we're churning out. Development tools are getting a lot better, and so are the languages. What used to take 5 people now takes 1.

The only secure job is hardware engineering. Everyone sees the software, but most forget that for every single product there's a custom designed piece of hardware underneath it. One piece of software can be made to run on many types of hardware. Every device needs custom built hardware though.

originally posted by: hunamongyou
a reply to: Vasa Croe

What percentage of McDonalds' customers are part of the .01%? Very close to zero, I'd venture. So McDonalds workers are likely part of their customer base. All businesses rely on customer spending to remain viable. As the tax base continues to drop from workers becoming unemployed, government will not have the funds to support all the unemployed workers. The unemployed will not have funds to spend with the businesses any longer. The businesses will begin to feel the pinch of fewer customers and lower profits. Even if the population were drastically lowered to eliminate the unemployed, businesses would have less customers and lots of businesses would become superfluous. There's only so far this paradigm can go before there's only 10,000 surviving humans living in caves again because society would likely break down. The .01% do not intend to pay the 99% to be worthless eaters. But they'll never be able to control the monster they will unleash in an attempt to eliminate the masses.

The only likely solution is to change our economic paradigm IE eating the rich.

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: eluryh22

Our son is 5 years old though. I can not express how worried I am for his generation. What will the world look like? What careers will be there?

I agree, I have been reading many college kids finish college with a degree and cannot find a job, many are moving back home to live with their parents. Meanwhile the parents are working after retirement to pay bills for their adult children.

Many of the kids who graduated college with good degrees are now in competition with grads from overseas who come into our country and are willing to work for half the salaries for the same jobs. It's sickening if you ask me.

So many people jump to the old "they should just go to college" argument, as if that's a real answer to their life's problems anymore.

So let's say that fast food Freddy goes to college, just for fun.

1. We no longer live in a time where a part time job will get you through college.

He would still have to work to live, but less, to accommodate class and study time, you know, if he wants to pass the classes.

Will that part time job allow him to live? Have shelter? Clothing? Food? Not likely. So what is Freddy to do while he's in this life changing college?

2. If he manages to pass all the classes and exams, to finally get that degree that will "change his life", will there be an available job?

Not usually.

So now, he's still working an entry level job, trying to make ends meet, but now, fast food Freddy is thousands of dollars in debt, with a hefty loan payment that he cannot afford, and no available jobs in his field.

We aren't living in the same reality, that these people are arguing for, that allowed people to get a degree, live off a part time job while doing so, and actually be able to get the job you went to college for.

a reply to: daryllyn

They personalize their theory of economy without looking at the bigger picture.

It's very small minded and limited in original thinking.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Oh.... I just realized the future economic model.

Profit sharing with the citizenry.

They are going to create a profit sharing scheme in order to save some of the old banking systems so that people can stay on top.

Dang.

In a service based economy like the U.S. has it`s not a good idea to start replacing service workers with service robots.
with no manufacturing jobs and no service jobs they are just asking for an economic meltdown.
what are people suppose to do for a living when robots are doing all the service jobs and all the manufacturing jobs have been sent overseas?
who are they going to sell their McBurgers to if nobody has a job or money?

In the short term they will enjoy larger profits but in the long term they are destroying their company.
as more and more companies replace workers with robots there will be fewer potential customers because more people will have less money.
The people with money buy real food,not mcBurgers, and the people who normally buy mcBurgers won`t have the money to buy them.

a reply to: Aazadan

I couldn't see it costing more than say a top of the line tablet with some plastic shrouds. If the programming is as easy as you say the hardware required to run it shouldn't be expensive in the grand scheme of things.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Awesome.

Replace $15 dollar an hour employees. With a multi million dollar contracts for upkeep, maintenance, administration, server hosting and internet bandwidth. Also add in another multi million dollar initial investment in all that equipment plus installation and setup.

Pretty soon they will be going back to people.

Are people ever going to boycott McDonalds? Go elsewhere for fast food, plus it's probably cheaper to boot. Now is a time more than ever.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I'm surprised they didn't do this a long time ago. We had Sheets gas stations doing this years ago. It works quite well and doesn't make people feel pressured while deciding on what they're going to order. I think it actually makes people spend more than what they planned on spending.

I'm sure it may cause some job losses, but it may also increase the staff in the kitchen and speed-up food preparation. It should definitely reduce messing up an order.

a reply to: Rodoh

it may not be a job that you like or went to school for but they are there.

I agree, however it's not the job many of these kids were educated to begin with, yes many have taken jobs below their pay grade, however where are they going to get experience for the jobs that they went to school for?

With millions of foreigners coming in on work visas trained and educated in the same field and willing to work for half of the given salaries, then what's the point of getting a degree when the greedy corporations are only looking to pay foreigners who will work for less?

My point is, how far do we have to go before more of us are out of a jobs because of corporate greed, the very same corporations that lobby congress to pass laws to only benefit them.

Example: look what Disney did to their loyal employers?

Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers With Immigrants

www.nytimes.com...

WATCH: FIRED DISNEY WORKER BREAKS DOWN DESCRIBING HUMILIATION OF TRAINING FOREIGN GUEST WORKER REPLACEMENT

www.conservativereview.com...

This happened this year.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Aazadan

I couldn't see it costing more than say a top of the line tablet with some plastic shrouds. If the programming is as easy as you say the hardware required to run it shouldn't be expensive in the grand scheme of things.

You're forgetting that it's likely custom hardware, it may not cost much to mass produce but I guarantee you the bottleneck on building the kiosks was in the hardware, not the software.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Next up...McDonald's way of telling $15/hr min wage strikers to eat a [SNIP]

A friend of mine just took and posted these on FB from a McD's in TN.

I have to laugh at the irony. While the workers were striking the big corporate food chains were out smarting them. Now what? Sure those $15/hr food jobs will still be there, but not many....

I will be interested to see how many of these go in and how many chains pick it up. Pretty brilliant if you ask me. Likely going to cause a lot of pain for the current, or soon to be not current work force in the industry.

At least if you get your order wrong, now you'll only have yourself to blame!

 

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Everyone's job will be going this way. Fast food people workers are way better than these things. And please, they are worth more than 15.00 bucks an hour, that's nothing, come on. The only people that dig this are either friendless sociopaths or those who hope all human beings won't have to work work ever again and still be cared for awesomely and pursue their dreams because robots will do the work for them.

Looks like your walking right into a damn vending machine. Sad really.

a reply to: Aazadan

Ah, your talking about why it's taken up to this point. Gotcha. Yea, I can't argue against that. I read somewhere that it would cost upwards of 120k per store which in the larger scheme would ultimately benefit the store.

originally posted by: dreamingawake
Are people ever going to boycott McDonalds? Go elsewhere for fast food, plus it's probably cheaper to boot. Now is a time more than ever.

I quit McDonalds and all fast food etal, in favor of small restaurants where people actually care about their patrons.

Even roadside taco trucks will get my business.

originally posted by: Darkmadness
a reply to: schuyler

You mean they literally won't be able to find a job.

Small minded are we?

They are, and perhaps since you said "we" you are including yourself. If you are attempting to include me in that statement because I'm not "compassionate" enough for your tastes, the reason is simply because I cannot afford to carry a bunch of other people on my back. Sorry if you don't like it; you should try it some time. That's the problem. We have a lot of agrarian brains trying to live in a technological world. When you say they "literally won't be able to find a job" what you are really saying is that they won't take jobs that ARE available when it is easier to live off the public dole. The incentive is no longer there, especially when people feel they are owed a flat screen TV. In an agrarian society there is plenty of work for people with no education or talent. In today's world it is more cost-effective to have babies and get AFDIC than to get educated and get yourself ahead. If the Takers really want to be Makers, we should definitely provide a path for that.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

Fast food workers are NOT worth 15$ an hour. The only way somebody would actually think this were true is if they were working fast food.

a reply to: Vasa Croe


Wait till AI robots take over most of this stuff.


Interesting times for sure.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Anyone with eyes to see knows jobs are not needed at even current levels.
Socialism or death camps haha.

I see the future.
If we do it right money will be something of a luxury, as will jobs.
Basic food water, and rights will be divorced from money.

Energy and Creativity are the only valuables moving forward.

Let's try and make sure it's not a socialist DICTATORSHIP, but instead a socialist REPUBLIC..

The only other options remind me of Nazi choices.