The Psychology of Pizzagate

Honestly, I don't know what to think about this anymore. It is so vile and frightening that I'm actually hoping it's all just a big joke being played on us and that it's fake because this level of depravity is insane. This is stuff nightmares are made of and I'm praying to God that this isn't real and if it is that He puts an end to it and protects those poor children and the people trying to find the truth who could be risking their safety and sanity. I for one have been feeling very depressed the past few days because of what I've read, I just can't stomach it. It absolutely breaks my heart that a child could possibly be going through that kind of hell. It is literally heartwrenching, I've been crying about this because I have children and I could only imagine how this would tear someone apart. If it's a joke, it's an incredibly f***ed up sick joke but I'm afraid there's just too many coincidences for it to be false.

a reply to: brokenwings1986

Are you a woman or a man? I take from your language that you're a woman.

Yes, this stuff - getting caught in it is sort of like "going down a rabbit hole". Some of these things just aren't deniable - I'm sorry, but we live in a world ruled by demented minds. It is horrifying - its unnerving, and distressing, and depressing, because you wonder to yourself, "why" "why"?

Human beings make stories together - that's what we do. This stuff is probably real - and so, unfortunately, from Hollywood elites (see Cory Feldman interview) to 5200 pentagon officials, to John Podesta's brothers interest in art that depicts traumatized and abused children in constraints, to bill clinton, donald trump, kevin spacey, and other well-known people flying on Jeffrey Epsteins 747 "lolita express" - it seems we live in a world controlled by "traumatizing narcissists" - people so caught up in their own illusions that they cannot see what is so clearly visible to anyone on the outside.

You know, its sad that people do not realize what sort of place they will be if they do something. We never know - although were cautioned by wisdom traditions to pursue kindness, etc, it has been a common thing for people to do something, to be organized in a new way because of that experience, and to interpret that experience in a way offered by others. In a sense - I can't help but see this as a virus-like dynamic - sprading like a "meme" in a ritualized manner.

a reply to: Astrocyte

Yes, I'm a woman. I have gone through a lot of s*** in my life, actually lived through traumatizing things that still haunt me to this day but I choose to not let those things drag me down.

But if this is true, and I have a sick feeling it is, it has the potential to alter our sense of reality which I find incredibly disturbing. I mean, you know things like this could be a possibility but you never really fathom that the people who run our country could be this demented. Ignorance is bliss they say, and the truth is a hard pill to swallow. Yes, we've seen the occasional evil person (Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Gacy etc.) But I like to think the majority of people are good and pure evil is an isolated anomaly. The possibility of the people who run our country to be a huge group of psychopaths who would be 100 times worse than the aforementioned serial killers listed, it's just mind boggling.

Can you elaborate on your last sentence? Are you saying that you think this whole Pizzagate thing is a ritual projected onto us?

If you read on twitter about #pizzagate, there is plenty of information with links and sources to show that this is a real thing with real pedophiles, and implications are that the Podesta's are dirty as can be. The symbology, some of which are on the FBI's web site as being the symbols used by pedophiles like that triangle lines one, and that symbol is part of one of those restaurants which Hillary has attended fund raisers at, with all those known pedophiles attending, and even hosting them.

The New York Times are not taking it seriously or answering or asking the questions being brought up by the evidence that has come out, and are trying to defend these key elites and casting it into "fake news" category, when it clearly is not fake.

It is appearing that the NYT are aiding and abetting felony crimes by how they are handling this, and all the verifiable accusations coming forth because of the leaked emails.

This is why it is being called fake news because it goes all the way up to the top of the political food chain, and they are dirty.
#pizzagate

This is BS. The email subject is "You two free for dinner on 12 or 13 January?" and the actual phrase is "Would love to get a pizza for an hour?"

Don't know where rent came from. But if you can set an hour aside, you sure can go out and "get" pizza.

originally posted by: daskakik
This is BS. The email subject is "You two free for dinner on 12 or 13 January?" and the actual phrase is "Would love to get a pizza for an hour?"

Don't know where rent came from. But if you can set an hour aside, you sure can go out and "get" pizza.

Thank you. As I suspected, people are deliberately twisting things and it is the twisted version that is getting bounced around the echo chamber. This returns us to the question: "Why do people want to believe this?"

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: tetra50a reply to: tetra50

It's hard to understand for people who aren't deeply, deeply traumatized.

People who do this to children may have a way of interpreting it as "love is good, never bad". But this interpretation ignores choice - as if children weren't fundamentally programmed to seek guidance from adults. Ultimately, there may emerge a status quo "well, it happened to me, and one day they too will be able to do it to another child", in which case, every abuser-child molester were themselves abused/molested by adults when they were younger - and so a trauma-traumatize cycle emerges as a function of a complete hedonistic disregard of what produces wellbeing in the human being.


It's hard to understand for people who aren't deeply, deeply traumatized.

People who do this to children may have a way of interpreting it as "love is good, never bad". But this interpretation ignores choice - as if children weren't fundamentally programmed to seek guidance from adults. Ultimately, there may emerge a status quo "well, it happened to me, and one day they too will be able to do it to another child", in which case, every abuser-child molester were themselves abused/molested by adults when they were younger - and so a trauma-traumatize cycle emerges as a function of a complete hedonistic disregard of what produces wellbeing in the human being.

I'll star you and tell you I quite understand and am definitively not new to anything you describe. That should be enough.

I am on your side, and understand entirely what it's about and how it happens. But surely that's obvious?

However, having said all that, too, I would warn that what you've pointed out here is quite a slippery slope of "logic,"
in that even statistically, I very much doubt that either all child molesters have been molested themselves, or that anyone who has been molested will turn into doing the same, either. I find that concept quite dangerous to absolutely everyone, and even a trick employed by those doing such things to children to make sure they never tell, for if they do, there is an inherent danger, then, they will be identified as someone who will go on to do the same. What an added blast to that trauma, that you can never be free of it, speak of it, because if you do, people will become suspicious that you behave as you were treated, once.



Frustrating as I've tried to edit this post to get it to appear as it does when I quoted it, in response to what Astrocyte wrote in reply to me, but just can't get that comment added so that what I've written makes sense. What I wrote was in response to this:

It's hard to understand for people who aren't deeply, deeply traumatized.

People who do this to children may have a way of interpreting it as "love is good, never bad". But this interpretation ignores choice - as if children weren't fundamentally programmed to seek guidance from adults. Ultimately, there may emerge a status quo "well, it happened to me, and one day they too will be able to do it to another child", in which case, every abuser-child molester were themselves abused/molested by adults when they were younger - and so a trauma-traumatize cycle emerges as a function of a complete hedonistic disregard of what produces wellbeing in the human being.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: daskakik
This is BS. The email subject is "You two free for dinner on 12 or 13 January?" and the actual phrase is "Would love to get a pizza for an hour?"

Don't know where rent came from. But if you can set an hour aside, you sure can go out and "get" pizza.

Thank you. As I suspected, people are deliberately twisting things and it is the twisted version that is getting bounced around the echo chamber. This returns us to the question: "Why do people want to believe this?"

I, for one, don't want to believe it. Nor am I sure that it's true. If truth were just about belief, and some kind of choice, I'd certainly wish to not believe over the alternative.

a reply to: DJW001

Criminals generally do not advertise their activities on social media.

LOL have you not seen the folks busted because they were dumb enough to post the video of them committing their illegal acts on Facebook?

Why do people believe that priests abuse kids, that Sandusky abused kids, but when it comes to those with REAL power and the kind of money that grants you access to anything you want in the world: oh no, cannot be pedos! Forget all the other European rings that have been busted open. How can one NOT see how this is happening?

Pizzagate got shut down on reddit; yet /r/pedofriends is ok.

dp sorry

I realize it's all too easy for people to jump to conclusions, twist things, have confirmation bias. etc.

Definitely not fair if something becomes a witch-hunt based on scant "evidence" just because people don't want to admit they might be wrong.

But on the other hand,there may be too many coincidences here to not investigate further.
So I'll just leave this link here,
"Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence"
So people can make up their own minds, based on practically all known evidence.

Pizzagate is a EU manufactured scam to cover-up EU Royal and Nobility-level pedophilia. Massive pedophilia rings are running from every EU royal and nobility hereditary house, plus each and every govt. of the EU.

They manufactured Pizzagate in order to try and deflect an impending investigation of very serious violent sexual related crimes against children in EUrope. The target of this deflection was of course some gun owners and excessively zealous characters in the US, but was deflected enough for the EU's purposes.

No one manufactured Pizzagate, those dudes are pedos and it was obvious. The msm just blew it into this theory that kids were kept on site at local businesses, like a kiddy brothel or meat market of some sort, that was never the original suspicion. If they had simply seized some computers they'd found child porn, I guarantee.

Epstein to sing or nah?