The Psychology of Pizzagate

a reply to: kaylaluv

Jesus, I said IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE. SO no, not sending death threats, or burning down buildings.

a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

The pizza owner and his staff are getting HUNDREDS of death threats. Not just one or two weirdos. Hundreds. That is coming directly from all the crap being spread on reddit/4chan, etc. These sites are making the right decision to shut it down. Someone is going to get killed over this, and we don't even have any hard evidence.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I do not condone the death threats, but unfortunately I cannot control that. Those people should be investigated and thrown in jail for making terrorist threats. That said, we shouldnt stop seeking the truth because of a few wackos, no?

I think you're absolutely right. At some point soon somebody is going to go vigilante over this, and somebody is going to get hurt or killed, and then 4Chan and the websites hosting this stuff could well find themselves facing legal investigations.

Because I haven't seen much actual proof yet, just lots of typical satanic child abuse scandal panic.

a reply to: Painterz

Again, if someone "goes vigilante" or makes threats they need to be arrested and thrown in jail, point blank. But that doesnt mean the story should be ignored.

If that were the way we handled things, the mafia would never be prosecuted.

a reply to: Painterz

Yes. With Jared, the Subway spokesman, they had hard evidence. They found child porn on his computer. They have recordings of him talking about being sexually attracted to little girls, as well as talking about actually having sex with young girls. They have testimony from people whom he requested to provide young girls for him. Not secret code stuff. Real, hard evidence. They have a written admission of guilt from the man himself. Undeniable in a court of law.

4channers can't get that kind of evidence and they know that, so they pass around all this stuff that is either flimsy circumstantial or flat out fake.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Jared versus some of the most powerful people in Washington......LOL. yeah, who is going to better insulate themselves against prosecution?

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
a reply to: kaylaluv

Jared versus some of the most powerful people in Washington......LOL. yeah, who is going to better insulate themselves against prosecution?

I'm sure you are aware that some high-level people in other countries have recently been charged with child molestation/sex trafficking children, etc. Bet they had hard evidence, not just logos, vague "secret code" emails and some modern art.

a reply to: MarioOnTheFly

so...are you saying pedophile rings dont exist ? I assume you've heard the recent one from Norway...right ?

No, I am pointing out that there is more hysteria about pedophile rings than there are actual cases. There has been no hard evidence behind these allegations.

a reply to: Woodcarver

We are not allowed to link to wikileaks. You have to do the digging yourself. Sry

But you are allowed to copy and paste. Why won't you? Do you know which emails to copy? Surely you must have read the originals.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
Washington life magazine did a spread on tony podesta's home showing artwork by artist Biljana Djurdjevic of a girl on a toilet, a group of young girls in the bottom of a pool, two more paintings of what look like dead girls dumped in a marsh. Other paintings by this Serbian artist are of young boys and girls in their underwear tied up and being tortured. In the same style as the previous paintings.

a reply to: reldra

I found a video of the Washington Life spread. I looked at her art in gallery pages. It's art. Just like Grannan, she wanted to elicit an emotional response and succeeded.

pizza gate is what's gaining momentum in the efforts to bring out into the light what has been hidden all along...

i would assume that once an ambition to gain enough money is reached, further ambitions prevail?

As I always say, and will continue to say: the military industrial complex is not about what people think its about. It's a place of power - or control - of patriarchal might, and so its not surprising that people like this would spurn the normal human sensibility not to molest or abuse children.

Whats really amazing is how subjectively "blocked off" most people are from imagining the way other minds work. This is because people largely don't know what trauma feels like - even though trauma is a pretty frequent thing in this world. Indeed, martial society, from ancient Roman times, to the military orders of the middle ages, to the Napoleonic era, to todays worldwide military industrial complex, there is a very dark and brutish philosophy that essentially works to "make coherent" the viciousness of the militant mentality i.e. a mentality inherently biased to feel and process the world in terms of competition, and so respect, deception, and all sorts of other tactics are used in the "game of life". Indeed, didn't Eisenhower warn us of the military industrial complex?

It's quite simple: people who deliberately put themselves through traumatic experiences to "strengthen their will" relate to the world in terms of Nietzsches "ubermensch" idiom of "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger". This statement, of course, is not true. In order to benefit from a trauma, you need epistemological guidance i.e., such as the structured initiation ceremonies of the Mithraic religion - the context itself provided the allure of certainty that this "process" can be overcome.

Nietzsche's statement, as every trauma psychologists knows, is far more often than not countervailed by real life evidence where trauma does not make people more aware or stronger, but sicker, more depressed, more aggressive or withdrawn, and oftentimes results in irreversible psychosis, as in schizophrenia. That trauma - or severe emotional experience - is the root of all mental disorders is an idea that is gaining more and more support in the clinical mind sciences, in that it every condition can be interpreted as a different way of processing or containing the negative affects. For instance, most schizophrenics experience the onset of voices after a stressful life event i.e. a trauma. But why does this happen? Beneath conditions like this are ways of processing information - right brain feels, while the left brain "interprets", so the question arises: what if the ego always lies to itself about what it feels? In effect, such a situation creates "two selves" - one which feels and experiences an embodied knowledge of what an interaction "means" - and a left brained ego which cannot tolerate or accept the meaning of the feeling - such as shame - because of the intolerance they have for the presence of such emotions. Thus - during a severe emotional experience, the brain might "self-organize" in such a way that the feelings which are usually dissociated from attention now reach the left hemisphere through involuntary speech i.e. the denied self-states and experiences of self, begin to communicate their messages to the ego, regardless of how the ego interprets it.

The military is essentially in the business of creating dissociative disorders: intolerance for weakness, and a constant hard-on for strength, power, and control - most human beings who pass through these processes will become structurally unable to know in any other way but what the military culture determines as "good".

Thus, we live in a society with people - right wing sociopaths - who do not like to be limited, certainly not to be told "don't have sexual relations with children". For them, might is irreducibly right.

Just for your consideration: symbols are used actively in today's and past worlds, to refer and subliminally connect, people to a particular desired conclusion, and even, behavior. It's an inculcation, as well,

Once a particular abstract ideal is attributed to a symbol, or really any kind of identified definition of attribution related to that symbol, it becomes a given it is a representation of that said ideal.

However, symbols and their USE OF THEM is also proliferation of chaos, through the disparate inter dynamic connections related to and not to.......

get the point? These things are also used to create judgement, etc. In other words, and for instance, what if a certain band by a certain name had no idea there was a video made with a certain symbol and what it might have meant? Or what if that whole thing was manufactured and photoshopped?

Just asking, for if one could do that, couldn't anyone, and therefore any particular group they may represent, be singled out and totally annihilated to ever be taken seriously again this way???

tetra

Having said all that, I also have to say, I don't find any of it disbelievable ,at all, which is truly horrifying.
We should all hold our children and anyone we care about very close in times such as this represents.....
be safe.
tetra

I wouldn't be all that shocked if in the coming days Comet or Besta get's torched by it's owner then blamed on the 'investigation'

You asked about the psychology.. and that's what seems to be the counter-push, then they'll blame us and it'll all have to be shut down.

and then they'll mock, and gloat they were right, and it's all our fault for investigating.. when the reality will be that evil once again just kicked us in the shiny's.

that's how the world works now. sadly.

a reply to: tetra50

It's hard to understand for people who aren't deeply, deeply traumatized.

People who do this to children may have a way of interpreting it as "love is good, never bad". But this interpretation ignores choice - as if children weren't fundamentally programmed to seek guidance from adults. Ultimately, there may emerge a status quo "well, it happened to me, and one day they too will be able to do it to another child", in which case, every abuser-child molester were themselves abused/molested by adults when they were younger - and so a trauma-traumatize cycle emerges as a function of a complete hedonistic disregard of what produces wellbeing in the human being.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: tetra50

It's hard to understand for people who aren't deeply, deeply traumatized.

People who do this to children may have a way of interpreting it as "love is good, never bad". But this interpretation ignores choice - as if children weren't fundamentally programmed to seek guidance from adults. Ultimately, there may emerge a status quo "well, it happened to me, and one day they too will be able to do it to another child", in which case, every abuser-child molester were themselves abused/molested by adults when they were younger - and so a trauma-traumatize cycle emerges as a function of a complete hedonistic disregard of what produces wellbeing in the human being.

I'll star you and tell you I quite understand and am definitively not new to anything you describe. That should be enough.

I am on your side, and understand entirely what it's about and how it happens. But surely that's obvious?

He seems rather smug for someone who's been accused of evil deeds



BTW.. those walls have been striped clean, 2 weeks ago there was a completely different look to this place.

They've had weeks to scrub, and the scrub/delete is exactly how this has been worked.

Tell me again... how he's afraid... i don't see fear i see arrogance, he has big backers and we just have each other and the very few places left we can discuss this.
he knows this.. and you can see it right there in this video.

I have been researching a comprehensible guide to pizzagate for a couple days and the problem is not people who are censoring, Its the people we tell in our lives who don't care about it. Posted it on FB. Nothing. Tried telling my other half about it, didn't care. We just have to be confident in the knowledge we do have instead of wasting energy on shils

This is best one I came across, if anyone who spends 5 minutes on that page and denies, I will be truly terrified of the ignorance of our peers

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