Disturbing Line In The National Anthem I wished I Didn't Know About:

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Slaves come from all races.

White people hace been enlaved by other white people in ancient greek and rome as well as by arab and african muslims.

The word slave itself comes from the slavic people of europe who were victims of slavery for centuries.

And then there is the fact that black people in america owned slaves themselves at a higher percentage by population than white people.

The first legal case that established legal chattel slavery in America was won by a black slave owner.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: Gothmog
Except , in the OFFICIAL US version , some parts are not recognized. Does anyone sing those parts ? No. Has anyone ever sung those parts ? I doubt it

As I stated it was culled and until recently and I mean like a wk or so ago I didn't even knew there was such a line, but that does take me into the mind of the composer, knowing what it is now, should I just pretend that it wasn't there in the first place , there are somethings you can't un-know.

First it was never part of thr national anthem. It wasn't removed it just wasn't chosen. Next the word slave doesn't man what you think it does. It was specifically in refrence to people that were taken by a press gang. This was common on British ships impressment was how they got there crew. Usually the ship had British officers and the crew was either hired such as prussians or forced into service using press gangs. These people would litterally knock people out and you wake up on a ship. At the time many colonists were in pressment. Sadly there really wasn't a clear way to get out of it either you were pretty much in for life.

So here's the problem with people today they want to look at things and assume what someone meant. We see it in politics and history. Next time instaed of getting bent out of shape why not try to do a little research. Just because you misunderstand a statement doesn't make it racist. But it does tell me alot about you you apparently you go out of your way to be ofended since you didn't even bother to realize it's not part of the national anthem. And then you continued by not even bothering to find out what the meaning was in a 200 year old song. If you look for things to be offended by you will always find them doesn't matter if it's real or not.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Slaves come from all races.

White people hace been enlaved by other white people in ancient greek and rome as well as by arab and african muslims.

The word slave itself comes from the slavic people of europe who were victims of slavery for centuries.

And then there is the fact that black people in america owned slaves themselves at a higher percentage by population than white people.

The first legal case that established legal chattel slavery in America was won by a black slave owner.

Interesting...thx

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Slaves come from all races.

White people hace been enlaved by other white people in ancient greek and rome as well as by arab and african muslims.

The word slave itself comes from the slavic people of europe who were victims of slavery for centuries.

And then there is the fact that black people in america owned slaves themselves at a higher percentage by population than white people.

The first legal case that established legal chattel slavery in America was won by a black slave owner.

I don't want to drift too far away from the the subject which is not about slavery in of it self, but about the mindset of the man that wrote the national anthem, which the link is saying had a racist bit that had to be removed, actually I did do a thread on the Slave issue. www.abovetopsecret.com...
All Im saying is if the authors in the link are correct , then the anthem losses some of it's shine for me personally , but first I suggest reading the link.

originally posted by: thinline
Mmmm....

The Star Spangled Banner lyrics "...and slave" is a direct reference to the British practice of Impressment (kidnapping American seamen and forcing them into service on British man-of war ships). This was a Important cause of the War of 1812

So how do you feel now?





m.american-historama.org...

Thats BS

Slave means slave.

Good old Star Spangled Banner, flying the flag for racism since 1814!

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

White people hace been enlaved by other white people in ancient greek and rome as well as by arab and african muslims.

Oh, poor white people.

The word slave itself comes from the slavic people of europe who were victims of slavery for centuries.

Oh, poor white people.

Black people in america owned slaves.

Oh, not-so-poor black people.

At least we all know where you’re coming from.

a reply to: crazyewok

Of course it’s BS. As if anybody would press-gang the enemy to serve in their navies. The British weren’t suicidal fools.

However, the word ‘slave’ in that context doesn’t mean ‘human chattel’, it means 'evildoer without a sense of honour’.

a reply to: dragonridr

Usually the ship had British officers and the crew was either hired such as prussians

The Royal Navy had Prussian deckhands?

Look, you’re not bad at physics. Stick to that.

a reply to: Spider879

All Im saying is if the authors in the link are correct , then the anthem losses some of it's shine for me personally

Well, I’m sorry it ever had a shine for you, anyway. I mean, it’s uplifting and goose-pimply and all — even I can feel its power, though I’m neither American nor any kind of patriot — but that is just emotional manipulation by an astute songwriter and lyricist, and its purpose is to make cannon-fodder out of one side in a war, and devils out of the other.

Honour and glory, the most potent of all excuses for bloodlust. The conservative virtues, don’t you know.

a reply to: Astyanax

Here is the thing.

White people dont whinge about white slavery and use it as excuse for failure in life.

The Black community does use it as a excuse for crime, poverty and general failure in life even though billions upon billions has been piled into the community througy welfare and social programs.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

What is sad to me is that the word "slave" used in The Star Spangled Banner has nothing at all to do with race but some people keep trying so hard to make it seem like it does.

But hey, anything to cause more division, right?

Abe I am not here to cause division believe me this pains me but it is what it is.

By the mid-1800s, the phrase “hireling and slave” could be found in the writing of slavery’s supporters to differentiate between wage laborers and those in actual bondage. Whether this usage was adopted from “The Star-Spangled Banner” or the other way around is unclear, but William Grayson, a U.S. representative from South Carolina, even titled a famed 1855 pro-slavery poem “The Hireling and the Slave.” Grayson contended that slavery had been a “blessing” for Africans and was morally superior to a system of wage work. Grayson also described whites using a new term he had coined: a “master race.”
theintercept.com...

Actually, it isn't "what it is" at all. Your own quote says it quite plainly; it is unclear how that phrase was adopted by US slave owners. And common sense would seem to indicate that since the song was written about the war of 1812, the slavers decided to borrow it and use it to differentiate status...not that they wrote the National Anthem and tossed in some words about slaves because they didn't like black people. And you had to go looking for this, because those obscure words are almost never sung, and most Americans alive today have no clue they even exist. But sure, make it about race...why not, right? It's the cool thing to do these days...perpetuate the hate.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: Astyanax

Here is the thing.

White people dont whinge about white slavery and use it as excuse for failure in life.

The Black community does use it as a excuse for crime, poverty and general failure in life even though billions upon billions has been piled into the community througy welfare and social programs.

No we don't, we believe that the past have baring on the present and left unresolved will have a baring on the future ,non of this came out of thin air, there is a direct unbroken line from the institution of Slavery to the aborted reconstruction era which would have made all the difference to the implementation of Jim Crow right up to the 60ts and major push back by folks who want to relive the bad old days.
Black ppl would rather not be reminded of that painful past, except some folks denied it's cause and effects, but worst , any workable solution they would view as freebee...like the 40 acres and a mule.

originally posted by: Astyanax
However, the word ‘slave’ in that context doesn’t mean ‘human chattel’, it means 'evildoer without a sense of honour’.

I would interpret it as "subject living under a monarchy".

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

What is sad to me is that the word "slave" used in The Star Spangled Banner has nothing at all to do with race but some people keep trying so hard to make it seem like it does.

But hey, anything to cause more division, right?

Abe I am not here to cause division believe me this pains me but it is what it is.

By the mid-1800s, the phrase “hireling and slave” could be found in the writing of slavery’s supporters to differentiate between wage laborers and those in actual bondage. Whether this usage was adopted from “The Star-Spangled Banner” or the other way around is unclear, but William Grayson, a U.S. representative from South Carolina, even titled a famed 1855 pro-slavery poem “The Hireling and the Slave.” Grayson contended that slavery had been a “blessing” for Africans and was morally superior to a system of wage work. Grayson also described whites using a new term he had coined: a “master race.”
theintercept.com...

Actually, it isn't "what it is" at all. Your own quote says it quite plainly; it is unclear how that phrase was adopted by US slave owners. And common sense would seem to indicate that since the song was written about the war of 1812, the slavers decided to borrow it and use it to differentiate status...not that they wrote the National Anthem and tossed in some words about slaves because they didn't like black people. And you had to go looking for this, because those obscure words are almost never sung, and most Americans alive today have no clue they even exist. But sure, make it about race...why not, right? It's the cool thing to do these days...perpetuate the hate.

Well it only came up because Kaepernick took a seat and folks began to look into what exactly is the origin of those lofty words in the first place, like I said I just found this recently , so off course it will enter my consciousness as one who snapped to attention twice a day for 8yrs on average.

a reply to: crazyewok

Right, got your number too. Thanks for spelling it out for us. I, for one, will remember.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Then you know no history, or have chosen to ignore it.

a reply to: Astyanax
It's possible that you may have misunderstood me.
I was not suggesting that a "subject living under a monarchy" really is a slave.
I was offering that as the intended meaning of the writer of the poem. It has been a commonplace idea in American political rhetoric, and can be seen even today in ATS posts (usually in retaliation against British criticism of American gun culture).
Your knee-jerk reaction may have missed the point.

a reply to: Spider879

And can you prove that slaves in those days were only and always black and that blacks were only and always slaves? Did the nation have them? Yes, was it a common part of the culture in certain parts of the country? Also, yes. But indentured servitude was still a cultural practice in the new world meaning that people of all colors and creeds were held in bondage during those days. The practice if indentured servitude did not start widely dieing out until around that time period and it wasn't actually outlawed in the Americas until 1917.

And my husband points out that there is also a certain word sung in a lot of rap songs that no one repeats in polite company. Does that mean that everyone referenced by those rap songs is one of those things described by that word?

Well, now we know why white Americans are so racist.