Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour Leadership

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I'm not talking about the MSM I'm not talking about other people. I'm talking about those who have voted against him, I'm talking about the new Labour members who (mostly are college kids who see themselves as the forgotten voters) voting for him because they believe the hype.

Corbyns form of politics will only work if it is agreed world wide to play it according to his terms of "honesty" (laughable in his case) and all the other things that he says he stands for, as I said, Putin and Trump would eat him alive. You cannot go into a game of chess and bring your new different rules and play different to your opponant and expect to win.

Labour will spilt because they will not see him as electable and I agree. If he is elected it will be a bad day because he clearly isn't suited to being leader. He has many great things to say and apparently gives great speeches (although I don't get it) but he would not survive dealing with what I'll call the mobsters of politics in the likes of Stergeon, Trump, Putin, Clinton would use him as a tooth pick. He just will not be able to bring his apparent new form of politics to the world stage and expect to be taken seriously. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing that he wants to change politics but when it is clearly done dishonestly by others then it will be a pointless struggle that'll go nowhere.


Even if I was to ignore Traingate, which it seems most Corbynites are, he was dishonest when it comes to the EU, having stuck by one opinion of it being bad for almost his entire political life and then because Labour MPS wouldn't shut up and then the media went after him about not speaking up he suddenly made his appearance and claimed to be for it.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Are you serious? No seats? Have you seen the CCTV footage? Have you seen him walk through at least three (or two) carriages seating areas (whatever they're called now) literally passed empty seats. He was offered seats by the staff and he said no then recorded his video, how can you say that there was no seats?

As for the button - Whether HE would push it or not doesn't matter, you should never tell those your fighting where your limit lies. It's not refreshing it's inexperienced in a war room that tells me he would have no clue what to do.

All with reserved cards placed in the seats. There wasn't a time stamp on those images anyway, so how do we actually know it was relating to that particular journey? Is it because Branson said it was so?

With regards to pushing the button, I watched a docu drama regarding an escalation in events in the Baltic states and people were in the war room advising what they would do during various stages of the escalation. The people involved were ex Military Top Brass and Diplomats. Anyway, near the end of the programme news came into the war room that Russia had fired a nuclear warhead at London and our submarines were in the Baltic Sea. Do we push the button in retaliation was the question. NO, was the resounding response. Too late, no point, London is gone. Corbyn wasn't in the room, but still they wouldn't push the button.

a reply to: gortex

It's a fact of the political world that at some point you have to go against Putin, US President etc. and in most cases it's a matter of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, and if Corbyn is this so called honest Abe like character then he would not survive in the world of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

You can't believe what he stands for because he changes his mind to easily: EU, he seems to be for it now when just a year or two before he was against it and had been his entire political time. All politicians claim to be for justice for all etc. But sadly I think it will never happen. He comes across as to soft to be Prime Minister, I know that's gonna get some people but he does. Labour will not get into number 10 because he stands for whatever fits the bill (Although I'll admit he may be a little stronger willed since wining).

originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Good , I may not agree with all of Corbyn's policies and beliefs but he was elected leader on a clear mandate before the establishment and media decided to try to unseat him , now that mandate has been reaffirmed.

Is it just me or .......... I cant help wondering if the 300+k people that voted for him were in the main, Tories

I mean, to have a vote (say) in this election, all you had to do was pay a couple of quid and lets face it, a lot of new members signed up when the leadership contest was announced ..... all true Labour supporters?

Or am I just cynical?

Dunno

The Tories don't have 300,000+ members.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
The Tories don't have 300,000+ members.

You are only counting the people who hold membership cards?
There will be many Tories, by inclination, who don't.

a reply to: DISRAELI

You are a Tory, did you join the Labour Party to vote for Jeremy Corbyn?

It is ridiculous to believe that the 300,000+ votes for Jeremy, were Tories in disguise.

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: gortex

It's a fact of the political world that at some point you have to go against Putin, US President etc. and in most cases it's a matter of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, and if Corbyn is this so called honest Abe like character then he would not survive in the world of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

You can't believe what he stands for because he changes his mind to easily: EU, he seems to be for it now when just a year or two before he was against it and had been his entire political time. All politicians claim to be for justice for all etc. But sadly I think it will never happen. He comes across as to soft to be Prime Minister, I know that's gonna get some people but he does. Labour will not get into number 10 because he stands for whatever fits the bill (Although I'll admit he may be a little stronger willed since wining).

When was the last time a U.K Prime Minister went against the U.S?

As for changing his mind, the lady at the helm currently has made many many u turns over the last 6 years. Just saying.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978
No, I didn't bother.
But as I mentioned in an earlier post, I saw a short letter in the Daily Telegraph describing the result of the first election as "the best two pounds I ever spent in my life". It would have been the perfect opportunity for many Tories to indulge a sense of mischief fairly cheaply. Don't underestimate the possibility.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Well, if they said that, they were lying.

Why? Because it didn't cost 2 pounds to join.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978
On the amount, the fault lies in my memory. They will have written whatever the actual sum was.

As much as I have problems with some of Corbyn's thinking, at least he's mostly proper labour.

I don't know how anyone could have voted for Millipede's version of the party. The whole thing was a mess.

Repealing the anti union legislation would be a good start and worth a lot of votes.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

They're scared of Corbyn's pull with certain demographics...

They'd more like join to vote for Owen "Who's that" Smith.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: gortex

It's a fact of the political world that at some point you have to go against Putin, US President etc. and in most cases it's a matter of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, and if Corbyn is this so called honest Abe like character then he would not survive in the world of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

You can't believe what he stands for because he changes his mind to easily: EU, he seems to be for it now when just a year or two before he was against it and had been his entire political time. All politicians claim to be for justice for all etc. But sadly I think it will never happen. He comes across as to soft to be Prime Minister, I know that's gonna get some people but he does. Labour will not get into number 10 because he stands for whatever fits the bill (Although I'll admit he may be a little stronger willed since wining).

When was the last time a U.K Prime Minister went against the U.S?

As for changing his mind, the lady at the helm currently has made many many u turns over the last 6 years. Just saying.

The UK needs to play nice with the world including the USA.

And we cant afford to have a pacifist push over either.



As much as I hated Theresa May as home sec I like her so far as PM.
She is keeping her cards close to her chest and playing it firm but carefull.

And she won me other with more Grammar schools, liberal nampy pampy every child’s a winner comprehensive teaching FAILED!
Teach children by ability not by socialist politics!

a reply to: Hazardous1408

For sure, they are worried that he appeals to all walks of life and different cultures. He is outspoken on the Israeli state, and all of a sudden he is antisemetic.

He certainly isn't a Zionist, that's why the MSM claim he is unelectable. People who rely on the little person in the corner of the room to make decisions for them, just repeat the rhetoric.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: Dwoodward85
a reply to: gortex

It's a fact of the political world that at some point you have to go against Putin, US President etc. and in most cases it's a matter of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, and if Corbyn is this so called honest Abe like character then he would not survive in the world of You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.

You can't believe what he stands for because he changes his mind to easily: EU, he seems to be for it now when just a year or two before he was against it and had been his entire political time. All politicians claim to be for justice for all etc. But sadly I think it will never happen. He comes across as to soft to be Prime Minister, I know that's gonna get some people but he does. Labour will not get into number 10 because he stands for whatever fits the bill (Although I'll admit he may be a little stronger willed since wining).

When was the last time a U.K Prime Minister went against the U.S?

As for changing his mind, the lady at the helm currently has made many many u turns over the last 6 years. Just saying.

The UK needs to play nice with the world including the USA.

And we cant afford to have a pacifist push over either.



As much as I hated Theresa May as home sec I like her so far as PM.
She is keeping her cards close to her chest and playing it firm but carefull.

And she won me other with more Grammar schools, liberal nampy pampy every child’s a winner comprehensive teaching FAILED!
Teach children by ability not by socialist politics!

She's not keeping her cards close to her chest, she is out of her depth and will be finished within 18 months, especially after she delivers a watered down version of Brexit.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Ed was proper Labour but too many people were concerned with how he ate a bacon sarnie that what his political stance was.

They were more concerned with his "Nazi father" or whatever else that bull was.



I voted Labour at the GE because of his stances on taxes and gas/electricity (read: energy companies) lofty pricing system.
Sadly it wasn't to be, and if you look at the Tory flustercuck since and their almost abominable ideas regarding the poor and disabled I'm sure there is plenty who regret voting for anyone(read: L or C) in the last election.

a reply to: crazyewok

As much as I hated Theresa May as home sec I like her so far as PM.
She is keeping her cards close to her chest and playing it firm but carefull.

You just farted, excuse yourself, good sir.

She is only "playing it firm" safe because she knows she wants to implement a Brexit strategy different to what we voted for...

I guaruntee you if it was a Labour PM doing what she's doing with Brexit you'd not be so biased.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Sorry but I dont see the controversy

It would be stupid for any politician to announce what they are going to do publically before negotiations start.
And it would be foolish to rush into triggering the Brexit too.

If we have had a labour government the tyrants never would have given as a referendum in the first bloody place .

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

He is outspoken on the Israeli state...

Annnnddd, bingo was his name-o.


Even attending the Friends of Israel committee, which he shouldn't have, so not to appear antisemitic, because of anonymous Twitter trolls who could be from any or no political party are using that meme of "antisemite Corbyn" to their heart's content...


Even our Tory friend Ewok would agree with this.
I've seen him very outspoken against Israel and its refreshing and gives us a common ground.

A lot of people from the right are waking up to Israel due to the Gaza siege of 2014...

Too many dead children to ignore the realities of life there.



Yes, a non-Zionist PM could really be something.
I don't hold much hope for that. We shall see.

a reply to: crazyewok

Miliband offered a referendum on the off chance we didn't get the EU deal we wanted...
We didn't, he would have.
That little fact was well hidden from the voters but I followed him closely as it was the first time I'd ever chosen to vote. (2nd was Brexit, Leave)

We can agree to disagree on the rest.

What I will say is this... I firmly agree it shouldn't be rushed...
But the trouble with guarding your secrets from who you're about to negotiate with...
You lack transparency with the public of Britain who'd like to know what we actually voted for.

In my case it was sovereignty, little less immigration (although not to the extent of the fearmongers on "my side"), and lawful democracy.


Edit to be made, gonna add a thread where the word sovereignty appears.