Charlotte Shooting Video: Footage Shows Fatal Encounter Between Police, Keith Lamont Scott

a reply to: windword

well there goes the they threw down the gun theory,and that they weren't putting on gloves.
did you here the one guy at the end say get my bag?

the one guy says,"someone get my bag so i can't get some equipment" then some asks "where is it?", the 1st guy says "in the pack of my truck"

then he says,"get some gloves we need to seal the wound"

also if you look at Scott's right ankle you see his holster? who wears a holster just for fun.
see picture #3 on OP's link.that is a ankle holster.





still going through trying to find the gun saw a couple but wasn't clear.





ETA: he said hold the wound

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Does this guy look like a threat to you? Threatening enough to pop 4 bullets into?

I don't care what's around his ankle. I don't see a gun in his hands, and even if there is one, his hands are limp at this side. He's docile, confused and non-threatening.

Very strange and tragic incident indeed.


Number one what was a person with a brain disorder doing with a gun?


Why didn’t he obey the commands?

Why were the cops holding guns on him like he’s a terrorist in the first place?

And what of those strange expressions of his wife
Telling him to get out of the car and then yelling

“Don’t you do it?

Don’t you do it?

Who was she referring to her husband or the cops?

Another strange thing

Both the recent incidents have similarities:

Both were gang cop shootings and both times the victim didn't obey cop orders.

Strange...very strange those similarities

originally posted by: WilburnRoach

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Why did the officers speak to the victim at all? He was in his own vehicle minding his own business. Running the plates would confirm he was not the person the warrant was issued for.

From what I read when the story first broke, he got out of the car, with the gun, then back in, catching their attention, then exited again, refused to drop it, and was shot. If he actually did have a TBI, that sort of behavior isn't unheard of. He shouldn't have been armed at all, with that, not to mention being a felon, according to reports.

I don't think he was armed.

Of course he was armed. In the video posted by the wife, she yells out to him, ore than once, "Don't do it!" Many cops, and a good dozen demands to drop the gun. Sorry, but I don't believe that many would just shoot some guy for no reason other than his color, especially since the cop who shot him was also black. He was armed. That said, her video is off, in some ways, and makes me wonder if he wasn't set up, to be yet another martyr. Hate to think like that, but her demeanor seems off to me. Armed or not, if I saw my husband shot, I wouldn't be in a state to take video, and rant about it.

a reply to: xuenchen

You're president of the united states.

Black Lives Matter riots start happening in multiple states.

What's your plan to take these animals down?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

She was telling the police "Don't do it!", not her husband. She continually addressed the cops, urging them 'not to "Do it!"

She told them twice that he wasn't armed, and according to witnesses, she was in the truck with Keith, and exited to go get something from the house. So, she would have known if he was armed.

I don't believe he had a weapon on him.

But, even if he did, he wasn't brandishing it. The police were never in danger. The man was executed in cold blood.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

She was telling the police "Don't do it!", not her husband. She continually addressed the cops, urging them 'not to "Do it!"

She told them twice that he wasn't armed, and according to witnesses, she was in the truck with Keith, and exited to go get something from the house. So, she would have known if he was armed.

I don't believe he had a weapon on him.

But, even if he did, he wasn't brandishing it. The police were never in danger. The man was executed in cold blood.

Ummm....incorrect. She clearly says more than once, "Keith, Don't you do it" "Keith Don't do it"

Not sure what video you are watching, but she is very clearly talking to her husband when she is saying that....not the cops.

But yeah...I typically walk around with an ankle holster and no gun too....

a reply to: Vasa Croe

She was clearly having a conversation with both parties, urging the police all along, "Don't you shoot him!" "Don't you do it!", "Don't do it!". At the same time, she was trying to get her husband's attention, "Keith, Keith, Keith".

She was always telling the cops "Don't do it." She was never telling her husband "Don't you do it".

We can see from the video, he "Didn't do" anything to provoke his execution.

If anything, if Keith thought his wife was telling him "Don't do it", it accounts for why he seemed to be frozen in fear, as he retreats clumsily backwards, impaired and confused.

But yeah...I typically walk around with an ankle holster and no gun too...

Ankle holsters are a perfect place to keep your stash, rolling papers/pipe and lighter, in an open carry state. No one will bother you, theoretically, and you'll look cool. Besides, lots of people carry their various kinds of "stash and cash" in ankle and waist carriers.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Vasa Croe

She was clearly having a conversation with both parties, urging the police all along, "Don't you shoot him!" "Don't you do it!", "Don't do it!". At the same time, she was trying to get her husband's attention, "Keith, Keith, Keith".

She was always telling the cops "Don't do it." She was never telling her husband "Don't you do it".

We can see from the video, he "Didn't do" anything to provoke his execution.

If anything, if Keith thought his wife was telling him "Don't do it", it accounts for why he seemed to be frozen in fear, as he retreats clumsily backwards, impaired and confused.

But yeah...I typically walk around with an ankle holster and no gun too...

Ankle holsters are a perfect place to keep your stash, rolling papers/pipe and lighter, in an open carry state. No one will bother you, theoretically, and you'll look cool. Besides, lots of people carry their various kinds of "stash and cash" in ankle and waist carriers.

Sorry...I can't debate this with you anymore after this post. Your arguments are ridiculous.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Are you seriously going to sit there on the other side of your computer, denying the fact that the victim's wife was urging the police to NOT shoot her husband saying "Don't you shoot him!", "Don't shoot him!", "Don't you do it!" and "Don't do it!"?

If so, then yeah you're right, this conversation is silly and futile. I have ears and eyes. You can't tell me what I perceive through my own sight and hearing.

And oh yeah, what kind of nonsense where those knuckleheads trying to convey to each other when they all started popping off "Handcuffs!" "Handcuffs!" "Handcuffs!" "Handcuffs!"? Was that code for a the need of a "Ham Sandwich"?


We know that Scott had stash, we don't know that he had a gun.

At :28 in the shoulder cam video you see the officer in the red shirt stoop down and see him push something between his legs. You also can hear something scraping across the asphalt then stop for a second and you hear it again. It's possibly the officer pushing the gun out of the way while stooping, then standing and using his foot to push it further away. You also hear what I believe to be the red shirt officer say "I got right(?) gun... I got gun" after one says "He's griping his hand... he's griping his hand."
YouTube

As far as planting the gun. You can see in the cell phone video an object circled in red. Later you can see a part of an object between the officers legs:

originally posted by: MasterPepe
a reply to: xuenchen

You're president of the united states.

Black Lives Matter riots start happening in multiple states.

What's your plan to take these animals down?

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Those photos are of the scene after the "equipment bag" has been retrieved, and black gloves have been scattered.

a reply to: windword

You believe your opion, others believe you are wrong..

The video is not definitive either way and that is with us having the ability to analyze and watch it..

Imagine being in that scenario and how chaotic it is..

a reply to: opethPA

You believe your opion, others believe you are wrong..

I am not alone in my observation, be any means, and find myself in surprisingly good company!

These kinds of threads are like juries, except we're allowed to do research and talk about the case before we've seen all of the evidence. Nevertheless, if this were a jury room, you wouldn't change my mind.

Still waiting for an explanation as to why all those officers suddenly all started yelling "Handcuffs!"

Every time we see an execution like this, and hear these lame excuses, cops lose more and more faith, trust and good will from the communities they serve. Too bad it takes a cop killing for them to get it back!

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

Those photos are of the scene after the "equipment bag" has been retrieved, and black gloves have been scattered.

When you listen to the audio of the shoulder cam video, you can hear his wife in the background filming say "he better be alive 'cause..." at :43
On her cell phone video she says "he better be alive 'cause.." at 1:11
My first screen grab of the object circled is at 1:03 - before she says "he better be alive 'cause..." and before the one officer asks the other to go to his truck for his bag.
The other two screen grabs are at 1:54. Below, you can see the officer (yellow arrow) who went to get the bag just coming back and hasn't crossed over the body and no where near where the object is shown between the red shirt officers feet:


Watch the videos and try to put it together.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

When you listen to the audio of the shoulder cam video, you can hear his wife in the background filming say "he better be alive 'cause..." at :43
On her cell phone video she says "he better be alive 'cause.." at 1:11

My first screen grab of the object circled is at 1:03 - before she says "he better be alive 'cause..." and before the one officer asks the other to go to his truck for his bag.
The other two screen grabs are at 1:54. Below, you can see the officer (yellow arrow) who went to get the bag just coming back and hasn't crossed over the body and no where near where the object is shown between the red shirt officers feet:

Watch the videos and try to put it together.

That picture is paused at the family's video at the 2:11 mark, when the gun magically appears. Gloves are already on the ground.


Here's the 2:10 pause---No Gun


Here's 2:09--No Gun


2:01--No Gun


1:49--No Gun


1:45--No Gun


1:27--No Gun


The gun was planted.

a reply to: windword

What's circled in red from 1:21 on in this sequence a minute before you claim the gun "magically" appears? This is before the officer straddles the gun with his feet blocking the view. The gun was "planted" before the other officer gets his bag?



This is before the gloves fall on the ground. Notice the gun?


You can see in the video that the officer in the red shirt grabs rubber gloves from his pocket and it's tossed on the ground.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

This is before the gloves fall on the ground. Notice the gun?

No it isn't. Please provide the time stamp for this photo. It's after the gloves have been dropped, and just after Red Shirt guy leaned over and picked a glove and dropped the gun between his legs.

Below, you can see the officer (yellow arrow) who went to get the bag just coming back and hasn't crossed over the body and no where near where the object is shown between the red shirt officers feet:

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You can see the gloves strewn on the ground in this picture.

I don't know what video you're working with, because here is what I have at 1:56, and there's no gun there.


Here's a still from 2:01. Gloves on the ground, no gun.


Here's the video paused at 2:10, no gloves no gun


The gun pops into view, magically appearing at 2:11, and there are other gloves on the ground


Here's the video paused at 1:26--No Gun



Now let's talk about these, that are from when Mrs Scott first rounds the corner, just before we see Mr Scott on the ground.

Is that a gun? We saw Keith Scott crumple non-violently to the ground, his hands grabbing his belly. He didn't toss his gun away from his body as he was going down. If he had a gun in his hand, it still should have been in his hand, or under his body. We saw photos of his hands as they were cuffing him, and we saw no gun in his hand or under his body. So, if that's the gun, like 3 feet away from his feet, how did it get so far from his body, so fast? Did someone throw it over there? The Dash Cam, nor the Body Cam reveal any such movements. Doesn't make sense.

The gun is a plant. You can see it being dropped between, 2:09 and 2:11.

For all I know, that spot could be a leaf, like several other leaves in the grass and other dark spots on the pavement, that give the same signature. The fact is, that spot disappears seconds later, as is evidenced in all the other pictures.

This shot is frozen at 0.58. See the leaf reflecting white?


Here's that same leaf at 1:21, same leaf, polarized to black.


Side by side



I believe what people are mistaking for a gun is merely a leaf. The solid gun object shows up at 2:11.


In my opinion the officers signaled the need for the gun plant when they all started yelling "Handcuffs!". Then they started scattering black gloves all over the scene, for distraction. They all should be indicted! Disgraceful!

a reply to: windword
No it isn't. Please provide the time stamp for this photo. It's after the gloves have been dropped, and just after Red Shirt guy leaned over and picked a glove and dropped the gun between his legs.

For all I know, that spot could be a leaf, like several other leaves in the grass and other dark spots on the pavement, that give the same signature. The fact is, that spot disappears seconds later, as is evidenced in all the other pictures.

The time stamp for that screen grab is 2:09. You also can see the leaf in the same shot that you claim is the gun in my 1:21-1:23 screen grabs:

Time stamp at 2:11 after the gloves are on the ground. You again can see the leaf you claim is the gun earlier:

Leaf and spot where gun is later in the video:


Here's a close up of his feet. I have two points of reference for his left foot. The red - curb to the rear of his left boot. The yellow - leaf to the left boot. I CC&P'd both lines from the top screen grab to the bottom. You can see his foot is at a different spot and has moved forward and to the left. This is a combination of the camera movement and his foot moving. This is the reason you can't see the gun at all times. Not because a gun was planted.

Is that a gun? We saw Keith Scott crumple non-violently to the ground, his hands grabbing his belly. He didn't toss his gun away from his body as he was going down. If he had a gun in his hand, it still should have been in his hand, or under his body. We saw photos of his hands as they were cuffing him, and we saw no gun in his hand or under his body. So, if that's the gun, like 3 feet away from his feet, how did it get so far from his body, so fast? Did someone throw it over there? The Dash Cam, nor the Body Cam reveal any such movements. Doesn't make sense.

I've already explained. When you watch the shoulder cam video, you see and hear the officer in the red shirt stoop down and grab something and push it between his legs. Then stand up and scoot it further away. The sequence 1:21-1:23 I posted is after he stooped and moved the gun.
At 1:23 you see him going back to the gun to secure it. In the video you hear off camera someone say "I got right gun... I got gun" after the officer is concerned the victim was griping his hand. What's that about? This is before the other officer goes to get the bag from the trunk.

You see the officer in the red shirt purposely straddling something in the cell phone video. You see him move his right foot but not his left and come right back to the same spot. This is before you claim the gun was "planted." Why is he standing in the same spot? Protecting a leaf? Or securing the gun because he obviously can hear the woman in the background yelling and talking loudly? Knowing this woman is behind him and with all of the cell phone videos out, would he be so stupid to drop a planted gun between his legs?
You're trying way too hard for some reason. Please use a little common sense rather than paranoia.