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originally posted by: Logarock
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: trollz
But it's a mistake to ascribe success in culture to race. Anyone who picks up the hallmarks of a successful culture tends to succeed no matter what ethnic background they tend to have themselves. After all cultural hallmarks that lead one to success are often behavioral and values based.
They are? So are you saying that the culture promoted by whites then in at least the first half of american history were behavioral and values based thus our great success in maintaining liberty even with the civil war?
I always thought so ... at least, that was what I thought the concept of the melting pot and assimilation were all about. Adopt the basic American values and cultural practices and you tended to succeed. If you didn't make it completely yourself, your children often did well and achieved higher status than you did and that was the point.
Not come here and have it handed to you.
a reply to: trollz
I'm not good at the whole multi-quote thing.
But in that very posts you just quoted I straight up told black people to reject the concept of black culture as well, and the whole thing started with saying defining culture as either black or white is stupid. So yeah in the very thing you quoted I did exactly that thing you'd say I'd be a hypocrite about if I didn't. I didn't single out white even once in that entire post. As for the past, look me up on here in some BLM threads if you're not yet convinced I'm not being a hypocrite here. Oooh a good the, the stop white people thread. I got in the middle of both sides there too.
Honestly soon I'm going to fall out of favor as the people who thought I was on their side notice that I've attacked both sides of this issue and am firmly planted in the middle against both extremes.
As for cultures being primarily people of a specific skin color, that tends to have more to do with region or socioeconomic issues as in the case of the US (a really screwed up history that is often portrayed in a very ignorant manner as people on both sides try to push agendas to alter history to their preferred version of it.) I mean in a place where only people with black skin live, or areas where only people with white skin, of course the culture will be primarily white or black. But that's circumstantial. What makes the culture a culture is who the people are, and what the people do. If a culture discriminates by and only accepts people of their skin color as part of it, then they are a racist culture.
Yes this makes makes "black" culture, and "white" culture racist and stupid. Because you are the culture you grow up in, and there very fact that a white couple can adopt a black baby, or a black couple can adopt a white baby, instantly makes the concept idiotic. Because to still call the culture white or black by having those two babies exist, you either have to say that the child is A: not a part of the culture they grew up in, or B: That anyone who would adopt a baby of another "race" is not a part of said culture and thus no longer black or white, or C: That the white skinned baby is Black, and the black skinned baby is white.
I'm not good at the whole multi-quote thing.
But in that very posts you just quoted I straight up told black people to reject the concept of black culture as well, and the whole thing started with saying defining culture as either black or white is stupid. So yeah in the very thing you quoted I did exactly that thing you'd say I'd be a hypocrite about if I didn't. I didn't single out white even once in that entire post. As for the past, look me up on here in some BLM threads if you're not yet convinced I'm not being a hypocrite here. Oooh a good the, the stop white people thread. I got in the middle of both sides there too.
Honestly soon I'm going to fall out of favor as the people who thought I was on their side notice that I've attacked both sides of this issue and am firmly planted in the middle against both extremes.
As for cultures being primarily people of a specific skin color, that tends to have more to do with region or socioeconomic issues as in the case of the US (a really screwed up history that is often portrayed in a very ignorant manner as people on both sides try to push agendas to alter history to their preferred version of it.) I mean in a place where only people with black skin live, or areas where only people with white skin, of course the culture will be primarily white or black. But that's circumstantial. What makes the culture a culture is who the people are, and what the people do. If a culture discriminates by and only accepts people of their skin color as part of it, then they are a racist culture.
Yes this makes makes "black" culture, and "white" culture racist and stupid. Because you are the culture you grow up in, and there very fact that a white couple can adopt a black baby, or a black couple can adopt a white baby, instantly makes the concept idiotic. Because to still call the culture white or black by having those two babies exist, you either have to say that the child is A: not a part of the culture they grew up in, or B: That anyone who would adopt a baby of another "race" is not a part of said culture and thus no longer black or white, or C: That the white skinned baby is Black, and the black skinned baby is white.
edit on 9/4/2016 by Puppylove because: (no reason given)
a reply to: ketsuko
Right, and we both agree these people are idiots, right? I'm not quite understanding the point. If you're telling me people are trying to legislate this and we should stop it, I agree. If you're telling me people are not allowing it for this reason, I think they should be taken to court for discrimination. Please help me understand where you are going with this.
Addendum: Not sure if you're responding as I write this, but I think I get what you're saying. You're saying that these people aren't malicious in intent, and actually believe that their assessments are both right and good for the child. Here's the thing though, intent and belief does not have to be malevolent, nor does it have to be done with the intent to harm or subjugate to be racist.
For example: If I were to truly believe that black people were mentally inferior, and incapable of truly understanding civilized culture, and that by keeping them as pseudo pets under my care and tutelage I was protecting them from harming themselves and giving them a better life, and as a result of this belief, kept a black "pet" and taught them "tricks" to earn "treats" it would still make me racist and a slave owner, no matter how deluded I was into thinking it was right and I was a good person because I was helping clothe feed and protect that poor ignorant black man from himself and his savage nature.
Right, and we both agree these people are idiots, right? I'm not quite understanding the point. If you're telling me people are trying to legislate this and we should stop it, I agree. If you're telling me people are not allowing it for this reason, I think they should be taken to court for discrimination. Please help me understand where you are going with this.
Addendum: Not sure if you're responding as I write this, but I think I get what you're saying. You're saying that these people aren't malicious in intent, and actually believe that their assessments are both right and good for the child. Here's the thing though, intent and belief does not have to be malevolent, nor does it have to be done with the intent to harm or subjugate to be racist.
For example: If I were to truly believe that black people were mentally inferior, and incapable of truly understanding civilized culture, and that by keeping them as pseudo pets under my care and tutelage I was protecting them from harming themselves and giving them a better life, and as a result of this belief, kept a black "pet" and taught them "tricks" to earn "treats" it would still make me racist and a slave owner, no matter how deluded I was into thinking it was right and I was a good person because I was helping clothe feed and protect that poor ignorant black man from himself and his savage nature.
edit on 9/4/2016 by Puppylove because: (no reason given)
a reply to: Puppylove
I'm just pointing it out that there is an entrenched faction of people who are invested with the idea that there is a "black" culture in this country. It's the same group that argues for Ebonics in classrooms and other similar things.
I don't know why it's become such an entrenched idea, and I know it's not the groups like the KKK who are promoting it. In fact, I'm not sure at all what the purpose of it is.
I'm just pointing it out that there is an entrenched faction of people who are invested with the idea that there is a "black" culture in this country. It's the same group that argues for Ebonics in classrooms and other similar things.
I don't know why it's become such an entrenched idea, and I know it's not the groups like the KKK who are promoting it. In fact, I'm not sure at all what the purpose of it is.
a reply to: ketsuko
Ok so it had nothing to do with what I put in my addendum. I wasn't sure it did. But I'll leave it there anyway, as still a good point.
Yeah I'm fully aware that, that idea exists. I've been called racist and a bigot by said people many times for refusing to accept that cultural idea as non racist.
As for the purpose, the usual purpose. Division. Like I said there are people that have much to gain by keeping us all divided. So they promote ideas to keep that division. Many people are fooled by these tricksters and truly believe they are doing a good thing, convinced by their arguments and claims of good intent.
If you can convince white people and black people they are separate, at odds, and that segregating themselves from each other is to protect themselves and is an integral part to maintaining their own sense of identity, well that's some well cemented division you've got there. It damn near maintains itself. Better yet, if you can convince people not of said divide that it's a good thing and to protect and nurture that division, then you've got some amazing redundancy worked into your little divide and conquer strategy.
It's quite ingenious really. Totally sick in the head, but tactically really sound.
Ok so it had nothing to do with what I put in my addendum. I wasn't sure it did. But I'll leave it there anyway, as still a good point.
Yeah I'm fully aware that, that idea exists. I've been called racist and a bigot by said people many times for refusing to accept that cultural idea as non racist.
As for the purpose, the usual purpose. Division. Like I said there are people that have much to gain by keeping us all divided. So they promote ideas to keep that division. Many people are fooled by these tricksters and truly believe they are doing a good thing, convinced by their arguments and claims of good intent.
If you can convince white people and black people they are separate, at odds, and that segregating themselves from each other is to protect themselves and is an integral part to maintaining their own sense of identity, well that's some well cemented division you've got there. It damn near maintains itself. Better yet, if you can convince people not of said divide that it's a good thing and to protect and nurture that division, then you've got some amazing redundancy worked into your little divide and conquer strategy.
It's quite ingenious really. Totally sick in the head, but tactically really sound.
edit on 9/4/2016 by Puppylove because: (no reason
given)
a reply to: ketsuko
Oh, and while I think the KKK are just pawns in this matter, I wouldn't rule a subversive faction of the KKK out. Keep in mind the democratic party was the original party of the KKK, and we've seen examples of the KKK still endorsing the democratic party. What if the democratic and republican parties really didn't switch like we've been told they have? Some ways they could be responsible for everything the black community is going through. Just brainstorming here.
1: If you can't segregate the blacks by force, what better way then to trick them into segregating themselves? What better way to keep the purity of the white race, then by protecting and promoting the purity of the black race?
2: Blacks are killing each other? What better way to keep this happening then make the police impotent by keeping the blame on the authorities trying to stop it rather than on black on black violence.
3: Want to keep the black culture from improving itself? Find the most violent thuggish aspect of said culture and promote it. Endorse all the most violent rappers, load up media with thug culture, idealize violence.
4: Want to make blacks impotent? Convince them they need welfare, make them dependent on it, convince them they can never amount to anything and that the white man is keeping them down. Convince them it's hopeless so most don't even try.
5: Want to make sure black naborhoods stay a disaster zone? Promote riots, get them to destroy their own neighborhoods. You've got multiple avenues already set up previously to promote anger and violence.
6: Want to keep blacks incarcerated? Flood their naborhoods with drugs. Heck have some of your cop friends plant some on them if necessary, kill a few thugs in a questionable way, if they get caught, they're simply helping promote number 2, besides cops protect their own, they'll get off anyway with a slap on the wrist.
7: Want to keep the majority of whites from helping the black community? Convince the blacks that most whites are racist or privileged and try to get them to see racism from whites that isn't there so they won't accept their help. Convince whites that in order to help blacks that they need to accept white guilt and pay reparations. Convince blacks they should demand reparations. Promote the idea that violence and racism towards whites is acceptable, and that whites are cry babies or racist when upset about these things happening.
8: Want to keep the blacks and other minorities voting against their best interests so they thank you while you screw them? Have your more vocal prejudiced members, brandishing the much hated KKK, and white power rhetoric endorse the other team. This way you can convince them that you're on their side, because all the white power racists are over there.
Hmmm this rabbit hole is getting rather deep... I'm actually starting convince myself this is plausible... some of this sounds deviously believable. I'm going to stop brainstorming now. My head hurts. I don't normally delve this deep into conspiracy. But then again, the majority of whites aren't doing too well either so even if this is true, it's just one part of a greater conspiracy to keep us divided. Which is why I think if the KKK are involved they are just pawns.
Oh, and while I think the KKK are just pawns in this matter, I wouldn't rule a subversive faction of the KKK out. Keep in mind the democratic party was the original party of the KKK, and we've seen examples of the KKK still endorsing the democratic party. What if the democratic and republican parties really didn't switch like we've been told they have? Some ways they could be responsible for everything the black community is going through. Just brainstorming here.
1: If you can't segregate the blacks by force, what better way then to trick them into segregating themselves? What better way to keep the purity of the white race, then by protecting and promoting the purity of the black race?
2: Blacks are killing each other? What better way to keep this happening then make the police impotent by keeping the blame on the authorities trying to stop it rather than on black on black violence.
3: Want to keep the black culture from improving itself? Find the most violent thuggish aspect of said culture and promote it. Endorse all the most violent rappers, load up media with thug culture, idealize violence.
4: Want to make blacks impotent? Convince them they need welfare, make them dependent on it, convince them they can never amount to anything and that the white man is keeping them down. Convince them it's hopeless so most don't even try.
5: Want to make sure black naborhoods stay a disaster zone? Promote riots, get them to destroy their own neighborhoods. You've got multiple avenues already set up previously to promote anger and violence.
6: Want to keep blacks incarcerated? Flood their naborhoods with drugs. Heck have some of your cop friends plant some on them if necessary, kill a few thugs in a questionable way, if they get caught, they're simply helping promote number 2, besides cops protect their own, they'll get off anyway with a slap on the wrist.
7: Want to keep the majority of whites from helping the black community? Convince the blacks that most whites are racist or privileged and try to get them to see racism from whites that isn't there so they won't accept their help. Convince whites that in order to help blacks that they need to accept white guilt and pay reparations. Convince blacks they should demand reparations. Promote the idea that violence and racism towards whites is acceptable, and that whites are cry babies or racist when upset about these things happening.
8: Want to keep the blacks and other minorities voting against their best interests so they thank you while you screw them? Have your more vocal prejudiced members, brandishing the much hated KKK, and white power rhetoric endorse the other team. This way you can convince them that you're on their side, because all the white power racists are over there.
Hmmm this rabbit hole is getting rather deep... I'm actually starting convince myself this is plausible... some of this sounds deviously believable. I'm going to stop brainstorming now. My head hurts. I don't normally delve this deep into conspiracy. But then again, the majority of whites aren't doing too well either so even if this is true, it's just one part of a greater conspiracy to keep us divided. Which is why I think if the KKK are involved they are just pawns.
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: makemap
I'd bet my life that's the last thing they're worried about, when instead they're worried about Secret Warsmonger Hillary being coronated as Queen SJW. They know totalitarianism when they see it.
Its just like the Nazi Empire. Get rid of the faction that is against everyone. Stab the other later on. You shall see.
a reply to: dukeofjive696969
Whether you are being serious or not is hard to determine and I'll just leave it at that
Whether you are being serious or not is hard to determine and I'll just leave it at that
a reply to: Gryphon66
It can be overcome when it is seen for exactly what it is hate... and of course greed whether that is for money, feelings of power or even superiority is also a contributing factor and often used to fan hate in order to increase the divide using silly excuses of superman is better than batman, my unseen best friend is better than yours, my shoes are better than your boots and all these other silly things that honestly mean nothing but economics and control and not wanting to share it when we as people no matter the differences make it... all born on this planet exploiting the parts of it that are broken is the sickness preventing it from being fixed and thats the real bottom line.
It can be overcome when it is seen for exactly what it is hate... and of course greed whether that is for money, feelings of power or even superiority is also a contributing factor and often used to fan hate in order to increase the divide using silly excuses of superman is better than batman, my unseen best friend is better than yours, my shoes are better than your boots and all these other silly things that honestly mean nothing but economics and control and not wanting to share it when we as people no matter the differences make it... all born on this planet exploiting the parts of it that are broken is the sickness preventing it from being fixed and thats the real bottom line.
a reply to: Puppylove
No you nor anyone else has not been in any fight since the beginning are you thousands of years old? Time to get real; it is a choice personal with excuse after excuse in it's perpetuation... it starts when that poison takes root as a reality occuring in society and one looked at their skin and said hmm guess it is different thats when it starts in each and every individual no sooner and no later and then started auto segragating oneself from others based on that awareness then picking up all the propaganda to make one feel right about it even though its wrong.
Start existing in your community as no different than anyone else, and that auto segregation will start ending, that ignorance will start going away stop listening to the programming and rhetoric that makes excuses for it... guess what life only gets better from there... see those smiling happy children in the first post? Yeah it goes back to that with everyone you meet and it isn't forced and it isn't fake.
No you nor anyone else has not been in any fight since the beginning are you thousands of years old? Time to get real; it is a choice personal with excuse after excuse in it's perpetuation... it starts when that poison takes root as a reality occuring in society and one looked at their skin and said hmm guess it is different thats when it starts in each and every individual no sooner and no later and then started auto segragating oneself from others based on that awareness then picking up all the propaganda to make one feel right about it even though its wrong.
Start existing in your community as no different than anyone else, and that auto segregation will start ending, that ignorance will start going away stop listening to the programming and rhetoric that makes excuses for it... guess what life only gets better from there... see those smiling happy children in the first post? Yeah it goes back to that with everyone you meet and it isn't forced and it isn't fake.
edit on 5-9-2016 by BigBrotherDarkness because: sp.
a reply to: starwarsisreal
No where in that did it say her politics... did you extrapolate that from stereotypes? If so which one... vegan, environmentalist, or intellectual?
These stupid labels that define no one yet seem to give people some kind of group identity are doing us in.
No where in that did it say her politics... did you extrapolate that from stereotypes? If so which one... vegan, environmentalist, or intellectual?
These stupid labels that define no one yet seem to give people some kind of group identity are doing us in.
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
Guess why this is happening? Can anyone guess?
The SJW's and the regressives took things too far. This is the reactionary response to all of this garbage being shoved down everyone's throats.
"White people are nice, until they aren't so nice"
Look what happens when you call every single white person racist and every other "ist" and "phobia" by default.
The harder the left pushes, the bigger this will get. I wonder if that is the intent, as we all know the SJW crap comes straight down from Soros.
Guess why this is happening? Can anyone guess?
The SJW's and the regressives took things too far. This is the reactionary response to all of this garbage being shoved down everyone's throats.
"White people are nice, until they aren't so nice"
Look what happens when you call every single white person racist and every other "ist" and "phobia" by default.
The harder the left pushes, the bigger this will get. I wonder if that is the intent, as we all know the SJW crap comes straight down from Soros.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Logarock
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: trollz
But it's a mistake to ascribe success in culture to race. Anyone who picks up the hallmarks of a successful culture tends to succeed no matter what ethnic background they tend to have themselves. After all cultural hallmarks that lead one to success are often behavioral and values based.
They are? So are you saying that the culture promoted by whites then in at least the first half of american history were behavioral and values based thus our great success in maintaining liberty even with the civil war?
I always thought so ... at least, that was what I thought the concept of the melting pot and assimilation were all about. Adopt the basic American values and cultural practices and you tended to succeed. If you didn't make it completely yourself, your children often did well and achieved higher status than you did and that was the point.
Not come here and have it handed to you.
After the civil war not separating church and state is how the South remained in control of the political climate of that whole region...
a reply to: Winstonian
Well my friend you just threw out two labels like pointing fingers... if you put those fingers to the ground you just drew two lines not to cross with anyone identifying with those labels as an enemy on the other side, see how that works?
Well my friend you just threw out two labels like pointing fingers... if you put those fingers to the ground you just drew two lines not to cross with anyone identifying with those labels as an enemy on the other side, see how that works?
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
Yes, I appropriately labeled the major groups of people that this new rise in "white nationalist" groups are responding to.
SPLC is also complicit in this. If anyone should be labeled a hate group, it is the SPLC. You should also look at what types of groups are being considered hate groups.
Groups of people that do not believe in gay marriage? People against illegal immigration?
It will keep growing, the more and more the leftists push, the worse and worse it will get. It has happened in the past and it is happening again.
Yes, I appropriately labeled the major groups of people that this new rise in "white nationalist" groups are responding to.
SPLC is also complicit in this. If anyone should be labeled a hate group, it is the SPLC. You should also look at what types of groups are being considered hate groups.
Groups of people that do not believe in gay marriage? People against illegal immigration?
It will keep growing, the more and more the leftists push, the worse and worse it will get. It has happened in the past and it is happening again.
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