Climate Change Denial: Why?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
So, everyone - can you answer the question "Why?" from the title in one word?
Six words or less?

That would expedite and facilitate the thread's resolution.

Not six words or less.

I am not so skeptical of climate change but the solutions being offered. It seems the the issue has been hijacked in order to promote higher taxes and government control over the masses. Why is every solution lowering my standard of living? If I know one thing, the common man will see their standard of living lowered while the elites get to keep theirs.

We've also seen the data manipulated. If there isn't transparency in the source data, then one has to question the results.

Scientists are not above corruption. Supporting climate change means getting grants, etc. Challenging the status quo is not always looked upon favorably in academia.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I have lived in the Kansas City area for most of my life.....the weather has changed. The storms are far more severe - we never had "microbursts" before. We didn't have early October ice storms that shut the city down. Rain didn't used to blow uphill. It is different....

Odd, that.

My father grew up in southern Oklahoma during the 30's and he and my grandmother both told me stories about hair standing up, running for the house, lightning and getting a inch or so of rain in just a few minutes... basically the things you say never happened... and that's why they moved to California in the 40's.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: chadderson

The title is Climate Change Denial: Why?

I would prefer one word answers, or up to six words. Thanks.
Like having the class introduce themselves, ya know.

I do not understand what you are saying, or asking.

Either way, your question has been answered. It would seem you desire to have a cleaner and less damaged earth and I applaud that.

Here are some examples of answers that mean something, folks (for purposes of this survey):

Money
Conspiracy
Indifference
Not my problem
I don't care
It's a stupid myth
Nothing we can do
I give up
People pick on non-deniers
Science is stupid
I like sweltering heat and floods
I hope everyone dies except me
Satan is doing this
Humans are innocent of this
Don't blame me
Oh well, what's one more mine?
I dump waste into the rivers
I dump waste into the oceans
I don't care about wildlife
Fish are stupid
Alex Jones said so
It snowed in May
........

I could go on all day.
You guys get the idea?

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No - all I see is a list of reasons you THINK people deny climate change.

I am not so naïve to think that I can change what the earth does. So, I don't really care about climate change.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

A lack of non-market-driven, unbiased evidence

That was my answer on page 1.



It isn't in your list, but it is an answer.

a reply to: paradoxious

I was talking about in my neighborhood, my specific coordinates

Yes - I live in tornado alley. Have done for 50 years. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

a reply to: Jonjonj

There are tons and tons of evidence, but you pretend there is not.

Why?

The climate has been changing since the Earth first formed, billions of years ago. Only we don't have any data going back billions of years ago, so we are guessing at what might happen at best.

Sure, it could be catastrophic, it could be that some areas become uninhabitable. Remember the Sahara was once a lush fertile land, climate change turned it into the dust bowl it currently is.

Remember when CO2 was to blame? Now it's methane.

Still we get taxed plenty because of our carbon footprint, and I'm sure there will be taxes applied to red meat purchases in the very near future.

Taxes will save the planet.

a reply to: Baldryck

okay. Have you ever heard the story of the starfish stranded on the beach?

So many starfish that they cover the entire beach. A person is there picking them up, one by one, and throwing them back into the surf. A passerby stops and asks,

"Why do you bother? There are too many of them to make a difference!"

And the starfish flinger tosses in one more, turns to the passerby and says, "It mattered to that one."

Recycle, Reuse, Repurpose, Reclaim, Rescue, etc.
That's what I'm hoping people might do.

I'm gonna go with:

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Satan is doing this

Followed in quick succession by:

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I hope everyone dies except me

Bye, suckas.

Perhaps it's because the large urban cities have become heat islands that the climate has changed. Before they were there, the jet stream could meander up and down and maintain equilibrium. But a heat island would act as a force field (like a magnet) that would push the jet stream away (through expanding hot air rising upwards).

Whenever there is a snow storm in the South of England these days, it seems to get squished between Birmingham to the North and London to the South.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

We are still making a difference. We can minimize it. "HARM REDUCTION".
You're not interested in harm reduction?

It's like, well, if you drink 24 beers a day, or eat 24 greasy hamburgers, or whatever you do in excess.....you might live longer if you cut it down to six.....
but, you don't have to, ya know.

Up to you. That's fine. For you.

It's not fine for my kids and potential grandkids, or the rest of the species on this earth. If I had to place humanity in the heirarchy of my preferred extant species in the outcome........

elephants and whales would win.
Horses and dogs and cats.
Great Apes. Sea turtles. Little tiny spotted owls. Monarch butterflies.

And so forth. So on.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Have done for 50 years. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

Technology has changed like Scalar Weaponry.

Example: Hurricane Ivan (Class 5) missed its target and went zig-zag.
Hurricane Katrina (Class 5) spelt the Russian way was used to get useless eaters out of a certain area.

See the pattern like the HAARP project or Obama gagging the weather people last year who live by talking about the weather, yet the gag stopped them from questioning why the natural cyclones were always bouncing off the western USA coastline ?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: paradoxious

I was talking about in my neighborhood, my specific coordinates

Yes - I live in tornado alley. Have done for 50 years. THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

From here: Historical tornado records



The violent storm/tornado graph:



If anything I see a somewhat suggestive cyclical pattern in tornados and a decrease in violent storms. But I am not an expert.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Harm reduction against what? We do not know and scientists are guessing at best.

I live in the U.K and forget renewable technologies. We've got plenty of Shale to frack and our Government is going to pay all the people living in the areas where fracking will take place a £20,000 bribe, er I mean share of the rewards.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Jonjonj

There are tons and tons of evidence, but you pretend there is not.

Why?

I absolutely am not pretending there is no evidence, why would you say that?

a reply to: Jonjonj

Can you please address the overall topic? Yes, tornado activity fluctuates. So does earthquake activity.

But why do you insist that humans are not having any impact? Because - you are looking at like, five minutes ago on the cosmic scale. If you start with a weak patient, you're glad to see breathing and consciousness.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Didn't you say it was sketchy evidence? Or wrongfully blamed human activity?