BREAKING NEWS: Someone Somewhere Is Shooting Somebody... WITH A GUN!

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
No one is really getting shot in the UK. It's exceptional if it happens. That's point.

Jesus...its like trying to teach infants logic.

False.

People kill people every day with whatevers at hand. Get over it. Its not the gun killing people its people killing people can you stop that once guns are gone look at history you cant. In a hundred years they will be killing each other with plasma weapons and vibroblades. Man will kill man. We have since day one.

I had an epiphany. There are really only 2 countries that you can compare to the States. Britain ain't one of them. Canada and Australia. Why? New countries. LOADS of open space. Russia would apply but they've been around forever. And not a product of the Empire.

The US is also the only one that got it's independence through armed conflict. Ya gots loads of area that you can't police, one has to police themselves. Makes perfect sense.... 150 years ago.

a reply to: intrepid

What has changed in the last 150 years that can get police to you in non police-able areas?


I have been 30 feet from a bear while talking to a park ranger who was toying with the gun in their holster and keeping an eye on the bear. We were both also 30 feet a way from a crowd of 300 watching a Shakespeare play (we were between the bear and the crowd).

I think comparing Canada and the USA is fair. They are connected countries with similar Fauna.

Australia I do not think is a fair comparison. Russia might be.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014
No one is really getting shot in the UK. It's exceptional if it happens. That's point.

Jesus...its like trying to teach infants logic.

Not getting shot... maybe...

But more people getting raped, mugged, stabbed, robbed, etc.

England has worse crime rate than the US, says Civitas study
England and Wales has one of the worst crime rates among developed nations for rapes, burglaries and robberies, a major report has found.
England and Wales was ranked sixth for burglaries – worse than Sweden, Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Turkey, Italy and Chile - and for robberies, England and Wales was seventh.

For rapes, England and Wales was ranked ninth, worse than the likes of Norway, Poland, Sweden, Australia and Germany, while for car thefts, England and Wales was eighth – worse than Slovenia, Chile, Mexico, Greece and the Czech Republic.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed. The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence. In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

There are 30,000 homicides every year in the United States using guns.

SOURCE:
USA Gun Violence Statistics

[QUOTE]
Gun Deaths:

More than 30,000 people are killed by firearms each year in this country

More than 30 people are shot and murdered each day

1/2 of them are between the ages of 18 and 35

1/3 of them are under the age of 20

Homicide is the second leading cause of death among 15-24 year-olds

And the primary cause of death among African Americans of that age group
[END QUOTE]


So, basically, you could set up a TV Station dedicated to gun violence, and just report on these gun crimes all day long, every day.

The problem is that people would become desensitized to the violence, if they were made aware of the truth.

People can't focus on 30 different "names" being broadcast everyday. They would soon "tune out", and "turn off" the news.

So, what the media does, is pick one or two gun crimes, and blast those over and over all the time to the viewers, so that it would "sink in" that somebody died.

Everybody recognizes the name "Omar Mateen" as the Orlando shooter. But, he only killed 49 people out of the 30,000 people that are killed by guns in the year.

The other deaths are nameless, faceless, unknown soldier types, who are already forgotten, even before they are shot.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

But the topic is guns..

Besides theres no actual figures quoted in that article. It sites a study which leads to a dead link. Not saying its not true, just theres no figures. The title says its worse than the US and then goes on to say its ONE of the worst in developed countries, not the worst. Probably a topic for another thread though.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Are you suuuuuuuuure there are 30,000 firearm homicides each year????

a reply to: PhoenixOD

Well that in part went to the apparent sentiment above about police gonna save everybody from needing guns like every single time.

No gun: a girl isn't much going to defend herself when grown men assailants kick the door down home invasion style.

You cant even compare UK homicide rates to the US, by the look of it:

Guns banned in UK in 1997...

Homicide in England and Wales includes the offences of murder, manslaughter and infanticide. In 1997, 738 deaths were initially recorded as homicide. This was a 9% rise from 1996, exceeded this century only by 753 in 1995.
www.researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/RP99-56/RP99-56.pdf

Look here, the total homicide rate in the UK actually increased post gun ban:

In the United Kingdom, annual homicides by any means total
2011/12: 653
2010/11: 765
2009/10: 712
2008/09: 765
2007/08: 879
2006/07: 856
2005/06: 832
2004/05: 958
2003/04: 914
2002/03: 1,112
2001/02: 958
2000/01: 919
1999/00: 828
www.gunpolicy.org...

So now US homicide stats (2011 I think):

All homicides:
Number of deaths: 16,121
Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.1

Firearm homicides:
Number of deaths: 11,208
Deaths per 100,000 population: 3.5
www.cdc.gov...

Why so many more murders in the US?

Could it be the media causing lots of monkey see monkey do?????

originally posted by: AMPTAH
The problem is that people would become desensitized to the violence.

That ship sailed YEARS ago. People's rights are paramount to human life. Just don't lose that lottery.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Strange, i got a different set of figures here

It says they have been going down every year apart from this year.

www.theguardian.com...

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: AMPTAH

Are you suuuuuuuuure there are 30,000 firearm homicides each year????

Yes. I personally went and counted all the bodies.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

In the United Kingdom, annual homicides by any means total
2011/12: 653
2010/11: 765
2009/10: 712
2008/09: 765
2007/08: 879
2006/07: 856
2005/06: 832
2004/05: 958
2003/04: 914
2002/03: 1,112
2001/02: 958
2000/01: 919
1999/00: 828
www.gunpolicy.org...

What that shows is that for 10 years post gun ban the homicide rate increased, until about the past 8 years it finally got down to 1997 levels.

What it proves is taking the guns didn't curb murder.

While the other UK violence statistics I just updated above would appear to clearly have spiked ever since guns were taken away, which makes perfect sense in light of the fact the threat of getting gunned down deters criminals.

From the look of it, the UK example is a disaster for gun ban advocates.

I had never dug into these stats this far myself before now

a reply to: AMPTAH

I asked it like that because your own materials as you arranged them made it pretty clear that the total gun deaths aren't ALL actual gun homicides.

Read the thread the updated stats prove that 30,000 is nearly double the total annual homicide rate (by any means).

The USA homicide rates is staunchly beyond the EU examples, and that deserves a big discussion, but the other stats within make it clear it isn't because of the guns themselves (see UK stats).

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
From the look of it, the UK example is a disaster for gun ban advocates.

I had never dug into these stats this far myself before now

Wanna see if someone was able to spin Canada's rates to look bad too? BTW. Suicide doesn't count. We know we have a problem with that.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Guns I know FAR better than you...ZBrush ...not so much.
Experience a war and these MYTHS of how cool combat and killing is ENDS when a bullet whizzes by your head.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

What it proves if taking the guns didn't curb murder.

While the other UK violence statistics I just updated above would appear to clearly have spiked ever since guns were taken away, which makes perfect sense in light of the fact the threat of getting gunned down deters criminals.

From the look of it, the UK example is a disaster for gun ban advocates.

It would be wrong to infer that as the murder rate had been steadily climbing in the uk since the 1950's. They continued for 7 years after the gun ban to increase but since then they have been steadily decreasing even though the population has increased also. So things seem to be working out rather well post 1997.

After a 50year long steady increase in murders the murder rate has finally been decreasing year after year for the last 13 years.

a reply to: PhoenixOD

But the stats show the murder rate had basically nothing to do with firearms. Actually go dig in and read the numbers.

If someone intends to murder someone there are many ways; guns are just convenient. Guns dont make people murder people. Etc.

To say that after 10 years of no guns 'oh look now they're showing to decrease'... doesn't prove causality. That could be explained by many other social dynamics (such as the big Leftist agenda to indoctrinate boys into being little sissies; laziness of this generation; etc).

Meanwhile essentially every other metric of crime has spiked ever since. 'Hey look we have 100 less murders, but 5,000 more sexual assaults this year wo hoo'! IS THAT PROGRESS?????

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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
To say that after 10 years of no guns 'oh look now they're showing to decrease'... doesn't prove causality. That could be explained by many other social dynamics (such as the big Leftist agenda to indoctrinate boys into being little sissies; laziness of this generation; etc).

Reread that and see if you can see the HUGE problem there. You have to be conservative and kill to be a man? Wow. I think you just pointed out the reasoning behind a lot of problems.