Is this body shaming?

originally posted by: argentus
I don't care for the new term "fat-shaming". I'm nearly 60 years old, and throughout all of my life, there have been ads in magazines, newspapers, TV, billboards that pushed the "acceptable" line of nudity. Sex sells. Mostly airbrushed impossible people are put forward to sell everything. There is nothing new about this new trend. I don't think it's important. A mayor doesn't like it, and speaks out for himself to see if there is support. That's the way things are changed, by referendum or collective vote.

Hence the forum I chose. I think this is a bad change in the narrative. We're losing things we once didn't even really care about, for a new age.

We will lose much more, if we let this occur. My point was to ask what people think. So far, it's following my initial thoughts. and as this is now a reality, where do we stop it.

If we can, if we cannot, then we basically tuck our tails between our legs and wait....

For myself, it's really a non-issue. On our own home front, there is talk that the street celebrations (Batabano, Bracanal, etc.) have devolved into parades of people who emulate sexual activity.

We have the mardi gras, and this has been the case for 20 years or so. Men dressed as nuns, women dressed as male politicians they dislike, gyrating on each other. Families go to watch... but they don't change the fabric of society, only the way it percieves them, I disagree with it, sure, but I've never felt it was something to fear. I just dont go. big difference. the gay people I know, are not so inclined. if they were, I'd not know them for long. but I'd never outlaw their beliefs.

My Mother saw a video of one and called me to ask if my Darlin' and me walked in the parade and "did that nasty dancing stuff". I told her, "Mom, if I tried to do that, I'm sure I'd break something." Do I approve? Well, it's not for me, but I don't see that it hurts anything, and manages to temporarily jump kick the economy. There is a police presence that attempt to stop drunken drivers related to the event. That's the sole concern of mine in regard to these events -- that nobody is hurt by them. They make me feel old as hell, but that's okay.

I look at advertising in the same way. In some European countries, adverts are allowed that would be illegal in, say, the U.S. for their sexual content and/or nudity. Different strokes -- no pun intended.

I may be getting on toward old, but I ain't dead. I have no problem with models making money using their bodies to sell products. It's nothing new.

Ahh but this is a change in the norm. Those models now are being told they cannot. What was once tolerated by those who felt it was out of their area, is now a banned thing. We feel the same about the parades. Doesn't hurt anyone, doesnt affect others, just a show of an ire at the way things have been, which is changing, but not in a negative way.

This, is changing things. so people cannot do something. A complete reversal of changing things for acceptance..

Cheers,

originally posted by: peppycat
a reply to: Parafitt While I don't find it to be mean to anyone over a size 6 or 8...it does seem to have a subliminal message that a body that has more to love isn't a body that belongs on a beach. A size 10 or larger isn't a beach body..? Anyone can go to the beach.
Promoting a healthy body doesn't necessarily mean that your only healthy as long as you look a certain way... not everybody has the same body chemistry and metabolism... some folks can work out and watch their food intake until they are blue in the face and won't look like that models body.

I'm sure being a healthfood store they have things to help your matabolism as well. And by the way if your over a size 10 male or female please no bikinis or speedos. This is a public service anouncement forward all complaints to The Queen's Walk, London SE1 2AA, UK

originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement
a reply to: Parafitt

That's not even the whole of my argument my friend. See, this pisses me off on numerous levels.

This censorship implies that we have hordes of people that are becoming bulimic out of shame and they must be protected from this. It ignores the fact that the obesity problem is much worse, much more costly and much and more widespread.

I agree. I'm no skinny dude myself. I've often lamented those 'firemen' pics that have hordes of ladies say "Im gonna light me a fire hmm hmmm" but I'd never dictate a ban.

it's a different beast to me. It's not the fact this was banned as body shaming, but that a new society or a large part of it, has now dictated what everyone can do. gone is freedom. now it's changing things that once were ignored or accepted, and making one rule to govern all, regardless. Without control, I honestly see this getting worse.

I hope I am just reading far too much into it. probably am. but felt it warranted a discussion, body shaming to me is not seeing a thin, toned woman, and selling a product. it is comparing them to everyone else and blaming everyone else for their faults. This advert did nothing like that. Never said "Hey you land whale, take this, and you'll look like this!!" it was simply using a model to sell a product deigned to apparently help be better, using the phrase included. Who has a beach body, I sure dont, and I wasn't offended. And I seriously doubt it was people with body issue problems defacing these adverts...

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: Parafitt
Absolutely. We need governments and politicians to nanny us now, and protect us from ourselves, because we just can't figure out that not everyone has a "models body".

What if these models think they're being body shamed, because they have the type of body advertisers want, and the gubermint is lessening their ability to work, because their body offends those who don't have the same shape?

That'll teach them for being thin. They should eat more and exercise less.

I think that would be the reverse of the current thought process?

originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
No problem with the marketing campaign, but it gained traction and in the UK a school started this "bikini fit" classes for girls under 15, that's where the problems is. The slogan is powerful and does affect the youngsters . But I'm cynical so I will say there's no problem and those that feel the need to get bikini fit deserve all the negativity.

I still doubt it was larger people with an offended sense of rights, defacing the adverts, causing the ban.

But the bikini fit class, I dont agree with. absolutely. how about the just be fit. We had physed in my old school. did just that, physical education. we ran a lot, played sports, sprints, baseball, tee-ball, cricket, football..

Often it was the larger kids who excelled too, in footy go figure..

a reply to: Parafitt

that young lady certainly has nothing to be ashamed on her body that i can see.

now if i was a fat sow sitting on the couch stuffing my face with fish and chips, and half a gallon of rocky road ice cream. i might be ashamed of how i looked compared to her.

now don't get me wrong, if your just a little overweight or have some medical problem that cause you to have weight issues that's fine. but when you just intentionally sit and and pack your pie hole with food, you should be ashamed when you see someone like that.

when ever i see or hear talk about fat people it reminds of this joke.

one day a grandfather and grandson were sitting on the front porch.
the grandfather said to his grandson.
son when you marry, marry a fat woman with tattoos.
the grandson said, but papa why?
the grandfather answered,
because in winter you'll have warmth.
in the summer you'll have shade.
and you'll also have moving picture all year long.

originally posted by: yeahright
I used to have some shame, but I gave it up for liquor.

That stuff made me a fat bugger. Oo

Are you shaming me ??? lol

No I agree. it is indeed a world upside down sometimes.

originally posted by: Dumbass
But Hell yeah I would like an Adblocker in my glasses.

Haha Oh don't we all.. or a fast forward button. ahh the days of video tape. 4x speed and then rewide at 2x to get back where the show started again.

I'd miss too many bus stops.

a reply to: Brotherman

Exactly, it's targeting people that have a poor body image of themselves.
It's suggesting that by using their product they can achieve a body like the model.

Most people don't have the genetics like the model shown, so it's very difficult if not impossible for the vast majority to achieve the body the model has got, regardless of diet or fitness. So it reinforces a body type that is not the norm.
I'm not talking about healthy people, I'm talking about the frame and the genetics of the model is not representative of the majority of body types. If they had used other body types in their advert I might not have an issue with it, I'm not talking plus sized models but women with larger hips, shoulders, other examples of fit healthy women that are more like the norm, rather than body type like the model used in this advert.

We have enough mental health issues with young girls becoming bulimic, anorexic or any other poor body image related disorder in this country without reckless adverts like these using underhanded psychology to boost the sales of their product.
I don't agree with it being banned though, I think public shaming of the company is bad enough for their business without resorting to a ban.

a reply to: Brotherman

Ahh but thing is, this is an old marketing scheme. Older than the industry itself. You are right, sex does sell. but now, even a relatively harmless image is banned.

that's my point. it's not our mindset that has changed, we know these things. we know them when we see them. Something else has banned this. and it's not something I recognise.

Hence my query, I was wondering if it was how things are, because here, this is still yet the norm. and I'm ok with it. but the UK? If it were pretty much anywhere else, I'd not have noticed. But the UK? Land of the Page three girl??

It's changing fast...

originally posted by: dragonridr
And by the way if your over a size 10 male or female please no bikinis or speedos. This is a public service anouncement forward all complaints to The Queen's Walk, London SE1 2AA, UK

Duly noted. I don't even wear undies for that exact reason. To save myself when I shower. Oo

Wait....

a reply to: mclarenmp4

*Not pointing my finger at the op here in the slightest*

People generally do not know what they are looking at when they are looking these things. I am trying to do similar things with what I paint and how I paint them as a fledgling oil painter because it gets people talking about me and my work good and bad, my names in their mouths and ultimately in their heads as well. It is a tried and true tactic and it is manipulation of an individuals perception and mind. Some people see what they are looking at others have no clue, at the end of the day though, you can't un-see it.

Plus size super models have nothing to be ashamed of and can look pretty darn good in a two piece...I doubt these women are "out of shape''/unhealthy...


If taking down the posters of women in a two piece isn't for the sake of modesty, then maybe it should be okay to put up plus size super models that are also healthy.😊

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: Parafitt

that young lady certainly has nothing to be ashamed on her body that i can see.

now if i was a fat sow sitting on the couch stuffing my face with fish and chips, and half a gallon of rocky road ice cream. i might be ashamed of how i looked compared to her.

now don't get me wrong, if your just a little overweight or have some medical problem that cause you to have weight issues that's fine. but when you just intentionally sit and and pack your pie hole with food, you should be ashamed when you see someone like that.

when ever i see or hear talk about fat people it reminds of this joke.

one day a grandfather and grandson were sitting on the front porch.
the grandfather said to his grandson.
son when you marry, marry a fat woman with tattoos.
the grandson said, but papa why?
the grandfather answered,
because in winter you'll have warmth.
in the summer you'll have shade.
and you'll also have moving picture all year long.

And here I was singing that song...

"if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life,
never make a pretty woman you wife,
so for my personal point of view,
get an ugly girl to marry you..."

No, I have a gorgeous woman, so I betrayed that.. but that joke

a reply to: Parafitt

Banning things is NEVER the answer.

originally posted by: Parafitt
a reply to: Brotherman

Ahh but thing is, this is an old marketing scheme. Older than the industry itself. You are right, sex does sell. but now, even a relatively harmless image is banned.

that's my point. it's not our mindset that has changed, we know these things. we know them when we see them. Something else has banned this. and it's not something I recognise.

Hence my query, I was wondering if it was how things are, because here, this is still yet the norm. and I'm ok with it. but the UK? If it were pretty much anywhere else, I'd not have noticed. But the UK? Land of the Page three girl??

It's changing fast...

What if the reason was, was that a bunch of fat ugly slouches for ladies complained and had it banned because it made them feel ashamed? In this instance (if it were true, and I am only hypothetical of coarse) then the advertiser did their job, and people are still posting the ad and talking about both the ad and the product. Again though if this is the reason it was banned because of Political Correctness because a minority complained to make a majority bend to their whims.

originally posted by: Brotherman

originally posted by: Parafitt
a reply to: Brotherman

Ahh but thing is, this is an old marketing scheme. Older than the industry itself. You are right, sex does sell. but now, even a relatively harmless image is banned.

that's my point. it's not our mindset that has changed, we know these things. we know them when we see them. Something else has banned this. and it's not something I recognise.

Hence my query, I was wondering if it was how things are, because here, this is still yet the norm. and I'm ok with it. but the UK? If it were pretty much anywhere else, I'd not have noticed. But the UK? Land of the Page three girl??

It's changing fast...

What if the reason was, was that a bunch of fat ugly slouches for ladies complained and had it banned because it made them feel ashamed? In this instance (if it were true, and I am only hypothetical of coarse) then the advertiser did their job, and people are still posting the ad and talking about both the ad and the product. Again though if this is the reason it was banned because of Political Correctness because a minority complained to make a majority bend to their whims.

have they truly done their jobs if the slouches eating potatoes chips aren't inspired to buy the product?

a reply to: peppycat

Absolutely. I'm ok with this

Amy Schumer, now she is not a skinny model, but damn she is one gorgeous woman.

I get the feeling however, if she was advertising is similar attire, it wouldn't matter. banned. :/

a reply to: Parafitt

Is this worthy of being banned, and all future such things banned?

No picture or article is worthy of being banned in a free society.

Is this body shaming?

Not sure about body shaming but that is really a false image of the typical women. Which I'm glad , because as a brilliant man once said "I like big butts and I can not lie".

However, not being familiar with your issues. That appears to me as being a rather silly and un important issue to tackle or worry about as a new official?

a reply to: Brotherman

Possibly.. but the article doesnt state this..

The ad was defaced in subway stations across London when it appeared in April 2015, and it drew strong protests.

On Monday, London’s new mayor, Sadiq Khan, announced a ban on such ads — which critics call “fat-shaming” — from London’s public transportation system starting in July, saying the messages encourage unhealthy body images for young women.

More likely people who didn't want skimpy ladies, were upset...

seems since then, it has become a political tool. That is why I queried it. people deface things all the time, but rarely does it become political where critics chime in after the fact. Seems to me, it is more now using the critics to justify a new policy, than the critics creating it...