Illegal, but Not Undocumented, Are Illegals Criminals?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Sure looks "criminal" to me.

Your not the one in charge of classifying breaches of law. I thought that that was clear.

And, that those that are, decided that these acts are not criminal but civil.

a reply to: missed_gear

It's simple, really. So many presidents have "kicked the can" to other administrations that to tackle it now is a giant task.

So they want to grant amnesty to millions so this issue will go away.

They will ignore the violation of the law for political expediency.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Reagan did it in the 80's and the US did not implode, despite the prediction of all the doom pornographers.

a reply to: daskakik

And the US will not explode if it is done now.

But it still doesn't make it right.

a reply to: DBCowboy
Who said anything about right or wrong?

The OP was about the law in effect classifying border jumping as a crime.

originally posted by: onequestion
Illegal, but Not Undocumented, Are Illegals Criminals?

Isn't the definition of an 'illegal' act that it is a criminal act?
How can illegal immigrants not be 'criminals'?
Legally speaking, of course.

A friend got busted with a joint and sent to jail.
Legally, he's a criminal.
Legally, everyone who 'smokes' is a 'criminal'.
Ethically is a completely different story...

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Seriously?

Yes, seriously. What are they able to do on the streets of the US that you will be arrested for if you try the same thing?

Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

So they're here and not being arrested, you're here and not being arrested. You still haven't pointed out a double standard. When they use false documents if caught they're charged, just as you would be.

a reply to: Aazadan

I'm not an illegal alien.

Kind of a big difference.

I know you want that distinction to go away, but it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

a reply to: Pyrrho

There is no problem with legal immigration, they follow our laws and are more inclined to participate productively.

Once breaking the law becomes part of your daily life your more inclined to break even more laws.

It's a way of life.

originally posted by: Pyrrho
a reply to: Aazadan

I'm not an illegal alien.

Kind of a big difference.

I know you want that distinction to go away, but it isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

And with the current way we treat illegals, being illegal gives them an advantage in certain jobs because of the stigma that they can be paid less. In a market system that translates directly into a competitive advantage. I want to remove that advantage because we're not going to cost effectively remove them.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Pyrrho

There is no problem with legal immigration, they follow our laws and are more inclined to participate productively.

Once breaking the law becomes part of your daily life your more inclined to break even more laws.

It's a way of life.

Then why do illegals reoffend at lower rates than the general population?

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originally posted by: Pyrrho
Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

No that isn't a crime, according to the letter of the law.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

No that isn't a crime, according to the letter of the law.

What twisted logic are you using to come to that conclusion?

www.justice.gov...

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All this written law that doesn't exist in your world

a reply to: Pyrrho

Already posted.

Yes they most definitely are and need deportation swiftly and alot of radical immigrants do as well.

I'll give an example:

conservativetribune.com...
Muslims Demand Texas Mayor Surrender After She Attacked Shariah Court… Here’s Her Response

originally posted by: georgeglass

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: georgeglass

We enforce our laws equally and objectively like they were meant to be enforced.

You sound like a broken record.

Take care. (get help.)

Because the law did not change in the meantime maybe?
What do you expect him to do , Lie and pretend it is not so all of a sudden. You defend breaking the law and you tell onequestion to get help... that's interesting.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

No that isn't a crime, according to the letter of the law.

It is breaking the law. Did you notice the word "illegal" and do you know what that means? That right there already say it is illegal (i feel a bit silly for having to mention and point this out tbh but you leave it no choice). And since they are here illegally they need to do more illegal things in order to not get food, housing and money therefor and not get caught.

Again for you clarity. Doing something that is illegal means you are doing something that is against the law which is criminal. There is no denying it unless you are ready to lie and deny. Which you apparently were since you already did that.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Hm, well, let's see... the very thing they did when they came here.. hm.. crossing the border illegally?

Yes that's one

And that doesn't even involve speculation about their use of false documents.

So they're here and not being arrested, you're here and not being arrested. You still haven't pointed out a double standard. When they use false documents if caught they're charged, just as you would be.

So if one person crosses the border illegally and gets arrested we can demand your arrest since that is what you seem to support in the name of equality. You now have the chance to make a example out of yourself and report to the nearest police station.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: DBCowboy
Who said anything about right or wrong?

The OP was about the law in effect classifying border jumping as a crime.

Because it is a crime...

a reply to: everyone

Already explained why not.

You are free to think whatever you like.