"To Bernie voters left out in the cold by a rigged system, we welcome you with open arms".

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yeah, I know...just need a minute to re-group. My plan is to become much more involved in local politics .....does anyone else notice the "dead" look in Trump's wife and daughter's faces as he gives his victory speech ?

No problem. I just don't want you or anyone else to give up. There's simply too much at stake, even at the local level. I've had to nag so many people about the other elections that I'm starting to annoy myself. lol

a reply to: enlightenedservant

We still need people to vote for the Senate and House of Reps. Don't forget, the entire House of Representatives is up for reelection. Then there are the numerous State and local positions that are up for election. Don't let the presidential nominee stop you from those other crucial votes.

They are bought and paid for as well.

Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

Study
Study from Princeton and Northwestern universities has concluded.

In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule — at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes

our analyses suggest that majorities of the American
public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts

When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites
or with organized interests, they generally lose

Larry Lessig: is the Roy L. Furman Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and the former director of the Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics at Harvard University



In the end Big money wins. Politics is just a reality show with real consequences that we can't control, because the majority are not focused on the real problem and continue to play in the SAME game.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

And then when Trump packs the Supreme court full of scalias and shoots down every progressive piece of legislation you guys will come on here and whine some more

Lol you people are funny

a reply to: interupt42

That's why we need to get actual progressives into those positions. Otherwise, we're just asking the insiders to make the changes that we want. And you see how well that's turned out.

originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: enlightenedservant

And then when Trump packs the Supreme court full of scalias and shoots down every progressive piece of legislation you guys will come on here and whine some more

Lol you people are funny

What does that have to do with us also voting in State, local, and congressional elections? If anything, putting actual progressive in Congress could prevent Trump from doing what you just said.

After all, I'm seeing firsthand how Congress can block Supreme Court nominees, nominees for other positions, and filibuster even the most mundane legislation. So I think it's only fair that a progressive Congress do the same thing to our opponents, if need be. Turn about's fair play, right?

I'm watching Bernie speak live after tonight's primaries. His supporters are cheering like crazy as he proclaims how the "system" needs to be fixed. The problem is that most of the things he's swearing to fix will not help 99% of his supporters..at least not in the short term. Breaking up Big Banks and punishing Billionaires isn't going to help those people standing behind Bernie waving the Blue banners.

a reply to: carewemust

Don't forget that a lot of us were/are Occupy Wall St supporters.

God Bless Bernie, he's taking it to the end....Get some rest you wonderful old man, you earned it ! GN ATS...tomorrow's a new day !

a reply to: dragonridr
Not to mention he was supporting veterans, women's rights, minority equality, and infrastructure updates, and opposing tax havens, wall street corruption, imperialist wars et cetera, long before they became popularized and latched on to by the desperate wannabes...

a reply to: Konduit

DON'T EVER TALK TO ME OR MY WIFE'S KIDS EVER AGAIN!

I think the Trump train just gained some AfterBerners!

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

Plus I wanted any Bernie supporters who were thinking of joining with Trump to see for themselves what Trump fans really think of us. Thanks for helping out on that end, too.

Hey Man, punch any old ladies today? Throw bricks at some horses? Egg some lonely White chicks?

Maybe steal some Trump signs or trash a T Shirt venders supply and burn it in the streets?

Or maybe you blocked traffic and stomped on police cars?

HAHAHAHAHA, I could give a toss what a Bernie Voter thinks about ANYTHING after your side's displays.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: nwtrucker

So you're saying that Trump will win because he's the worst of both worlds?

A whiny, hypersensitive, easily offended, race card pulling super wealthy oligarch crony capitalist?

Gee, I guess you might not be voting for Donald?....LMAO.

On the other hand, I don't see any point you've made that doesn't apply to Hillary. Including super wealthy.....

So I guess you won't be voting for her either.....

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
So, I am wondering if Trump has any new information on Hillary when she was Secretary of State or whether he is simply going to regurgitate existing talking points of which most of us are aware of anyway.

I am looking forward to the speech Trump will give regarding the Clintons. I have a feeling it will be well-prepared and vetted by the RNC and attorneys.

One thing - you mention the "existing talking points of which most of us are aware of anyway"...

Although we here on ATS might be well aware of almost every known crime and corruption in the Clinton collection, we must keep in mind that most people are very unaware. Very little is covered in MSM, and when it is, it is sugar coated or biased. How much does the general population actually know? I know that when I have brought up a few very obvious points to people I know, they acted as if it was the first time that they had ever heard of any such thing.

To most of the world, Trump will be exposing things that are new information to them. It will be interesting to see the reaction. I imagine it will be a combination of believers, doubters, and haters, as happens anytime people get information that supports or contradicts the foundation of their beliefs. My hope is that it will shock at least a few people out of their safe space.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

That's why we need to get actual progressives into those positions. Otherwise, we're just asking the insiders to make the changes that we want. And you see how well that's turned out.

Honestly I think better time is spent in trying to get the majority to focus on the real issue with gov't which is conflict of interest and corruption ,than trying to get the RIGHT person into those positions.

The majority who have become political party cheerleaders have made it virtually impossible to get a worthy candidate into any position. Hence we are left with Trump vs Hillary this election, continue with the lesser evil candidate mentality, and congress continues with the lowest approval rating year after year.

Look at the Larry Lessig video where he discusses that by the time a candidate is in the running he or she is already bought and paid for. Despite the few worthy congressman and local representatives members Big money keeps winning the outcome of policy changes. The only time a Big Oligarch doesn't win is when they are competing against another Oligarch. You saw this when Telecom Oligarch (att,verizon,comcast) lost to the Online Tech Oligarch (Amazon,google,netflix) with their pull for killing net neutrality principles.

IMO the small step but huge task of getting the majority to ONLY focus on fixing corruption and conflict of interest in DC , is the best thing we can do right now with a corrupted system. As long as the majority continue to think they can make a difference and continue to play the same game with the same rules, nothing will change.

Numero Uno Problemo

a reply to: watchitburn

No... ya didn't. Sorry. But hey nice try LOL

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I'd vote for Bernie of course.
I'd vote for a ham sandwich before I'd ever vote for Donald trump.

a reply to: HoldMyBeer

I wouldn't be so sure.

Frankly, I think Trump is a buffoon, but I like him better than Hillary.

And I live in a purple state.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Agreed. Trump is a buffoon, but as far as I'm personally concerned Hillary would need to literally have Jesus as her Vice-President pick to even consider supporting her over just about anyone else. Even then, I'd just be doing it in the hope that she got indicted or had a heart attack, thus putting the J-man in the oval office.

Winning the general is far from a sure-thing for Hillary, especially when you consider that rigging it is going to be significantly harder than rigging the nomination. (Which might not even be ultimately successful, there's still quite a lot going into getting the fraud she or her supporters obviously committed investigated.)

I think he meant "white dudes"

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

Agreed. Trump is a buffoon, but as far as I'm personally concerned Hillary would need to literally have Jesus as her Vice-President pick to even consider supporting her over just about anyone else. Even then, I'd just be doing it in the hope that she got indicted or had a heart attack, thus putting the J-man in the oval office.

Winning the general is far from a sure-thing for Hillary, especially when you consider that rigging it is going to be significantly harder than rigging the nomination. (Which might not even be ultimately successful, there's still quite a lot going into getting the fraud she or her supporters obviously committed investigated.)

It is almost a sure thing..I have a feeling you don't know much about American Politics, it's demographics and the electoral system. Every Democratic candidate starts out with around 220 electoral votes and only needs one battleground state to win the Presidency. If Trump keeps up his attacks on Latinos, Hillary's chances will only go up.

Do you have any evidence for this "fraud' Hillary's supporters committed? That's a real bold statement and I'm sure you have plenty of evidence from reputable sources to back it up.