A MAN dressed as MAN in the MEN'S room is caught videotaping young boy

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Here's the point:

I don't care about the sincerely transgender. As people have said, they've always more or less been there. What I object to is when we need to pass laws that make it possible for the "gender fluid" to suddenly go into any locker room they desire.

Because gender fluid people can be transpeople too. So at any time, a person who looks perfectly male can go into any locker room or bathroom claiming a feminine gender identity. What is there to stop him? How do you tell if he really is or if he is just taking advantage of the new legal protections in order to get his jollies off of little girls or women?

Those are the ones we worry about, the ones taking advantage of this where previously bathroom taboos would have kept them out. Now they have the sanction of law and can take legal action against you for questioning them.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Here's the point:

I don't care about the sincerely transgender. As people have said, they've always more or less been there. What I object to is when we need to pass laws that make it possible for the "gender fluid" to suddenly go into any locker room they desire.

Because gender fluid people can be transpeople too. So at any time, a person who looks perfectly male can go into any locker room or bathroom claiming a feminine gender identity. What is there to stop him? How do you tell if he really is or if he is just taking advantage of the new legal protections in order to get his jollies off of little girls or women?

Those are the ones we worry about, the ones taking advantage of this where previously bathroom taboos would have kept them out. Now they have the sanction of law and can take legal action against you for questioning them.

If you actually care about the truth of the matter you may find some relevance and solace in this article...

2. Safety issues not common

There have been no reported cases in D.C. of non-transgender people posing as transgender in order to access restrooms with criminal intentions, as has been feared by some proponents of North Carolina’s controversial HB2 law, Imse said. The D.C. Metropolitan Police Department did not return a request from McClatchy for information.

Given D.C.’s record of no crimes related to the bathroom law – other than transgender people at times facing harassment – Imse says the safety argument for laws like HB2 “seems absurd.”

Read more here: www.mcclatchydc.com...=cpy

Link to article

If you choose not to read the article allow me to paraphrase for you. DC our nations capitol has had laws that protect and allow Transgender people to use restrooms consistent with their identity for a decade now. That's right since 2006 Trans folk have been using bathrooms side by side with non Trans folks. The kicker is that there have been no recorded instances of sexual assaults by anyone claiming to be Transgender.

So allow me to say again...irrational fear backed by no significant statistical data.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Given what women in most of the rest of the world go through because they do not have their own restrooms, I do not trust this. DC is a very small sample size and I have to wonder how widely publicized or known this was.

a reply to: ketsuko

Nondiscrimination laws protecting transgender people have existed for a long time. Over 200 municipalities and 18 states have nondiscrimination laws protecting transgender people’s access to facilities consistent with the gender they live every day. In some cases, these protections have been in place for decades. These laws have protected people from discrimination without creating harm. None of those jurisdictions have seen a rise in sexual violence or other public safety issues due to nondiscrimination laws.

4vawa.org...

You got anything from a valid source that says different? "What ifs" don't count.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Given what women in most of the rest of the world go through because they do not have their own restrooms, I do not trust this. DC is a very small sample size and I have to wonder how widely publicized or known this was.

*Rolls eyes* You know what I give up, I don't care anymore. People like you will always hold on to your fear and willful ignorance. You conveniently deny a decade free of the very scenarios you are so fearful of because it's a small sample size city. 10 years is 10 years, if these alleged predators you are so scared of are so crafty and desperate to take advantage of any loophole then why have they not flocked in droves to D.C. to take advantage of this law?

Your just in denial because you want to be and you know what...your opinion has no power or relevance in my life. I will continue to relieve myself in the identity appropriate restroom as I have done now for the last few years.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
If the percentage of heterosexual and homosexual men who are pedophiles is roughly the same, given the fact that heterosexuals greatly outnumber homosexuals, this illustrates that men entering womens bathrooms puts girls at a much greater risk.

The risk and discomfort experienced by girls and women greatly outweighs the alleged discomfort of a tiny percentage of trannys and cross-dressers.

Thanks for pointing it out.

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| THIS right here! Perfectly stated.

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

So in order to discuss your feelings about apples,

You make a thread about ORANGES.

So in order to discuss your contempt towards Trans folk

You make a post with an analogy to fruit...?

I'm not quite sure I got your meaning here, please elaborate. I pride myself on my reading comprehension but I admit I'm just missing it here.

You've never heard the term "apples to oranges"?????

And somehow it means I'm comparing people to fruit??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is awesome...Good laugh before I go to bed. Thank You.

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All this topic does is prove that sickos will use the bathrooms to catch people in a vulnerable state.

Just like this post does:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So making laws that will ALLOW men into woman's bathrooms (or vise versa) based on their mental gender is just ridiculous. It will make it a normal acceptable every day thing to see a normal looking man walk into a woman's bathroom, and nobody will care if its a rapist going after their daughter until it is too late. It won't stop them from breaking the law, but at least it will not be a normal thing for everyone to ignore.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

True, but my post was mainly aimed at the whole TG bathroom issue, because clearly, the op wanted to make some kind of a point, even though I don't see any.

The point is that a pervert will be a pervert because, well, they are a pervert! Cross dressing, transgender, mixed toilets etc etc do not turn non perverts in perverts. Oh and please don't give me the transgender and cross dressers are perverts becasue the pervert highlighted in this thread was most certainly neither, again that's a point of the thread.

For those of us that are a little slow on the uptake allow me to break this down barney style for you guys.

This man who was dressed as a man in the men's room where he blends in with others attempted to record a child and was caught and subsequently arrested and will be charged for his improper conduct. No where along the line will the judicial system protect him for identifying as a man that was caught committing a crime of sexual misconduct in the mens room.

Now lets apply this same logic to a would be offender attempting to disguise themselves in the women's room. First lets divide this into two groups actual real Trans people, who go to great length's to fully present as female. Hair, make up, clothes, nails,mannerisms and etc etc the whole nine yards. They will be conducting themselves like any other female in the loo, in to do business, wash hands then out. Now lets turn our attention to (pun intended) your alleged perpetrator. This person will most likely not have years of experience dressing and acting like a female and most certainly not have been on a hormone regimen or had any feminization surgeries. So more than likely they will stick out like a sore thumb.

Now using the scenario as posted in the OP lets apply the same logic. Perp goes into women's bathroom making their best attempt to look like a woman (most likely failing miserably) they then begin acting suspiciously and one attentive female (and that's all it takes) alerts the authorities or makes a scene. Now making a scene will more than likely cause the perp to run and depending on the area you may not want that because they may get away. They could alternatively quietly leave the bathroom as they dial 911 and wait outside warning anyone that walks in "hey there is some creep in there that looks like their recording women", police show up and nab the perp. With sufficient evidence perp will be convicted because guess what...being Transgender or any other identity does not protect one from criminal charges if criminal acts have been committed.

Doesn't seem that hard to do and maybe that's why perv's haven't flocked in droves to attempt this sort of thing. Maybe they know they would stand out and be reported thus apprehended. The current statistics in all areas with laws protecting Trans folks ability to use the proper restroom do not reflect a spike in the sort of deviant behavior the "what if" and "could be" crowd is claiming.

I'm sorry you guys are wrong and obviously live in a state of fear, you might possibly have some sort of condition that makes you so afraid of the world and hypothetical scenarios. Seek help and stop trying to punish good decent people so you feel safe from your irrational paranoid fears.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

So making laws that will ALLOW men into woman's bathrooms (or vise versa) based on their mental gender is just ridiculous. It will make it a normal acceptable every day thing to see a normal looking man

This right here is absolutely false and shows that you have no idea what your talking about. A legitimate Transgender person has to see a psychologist that specializes in and is certified in Transgender matters for a certain amount of hours. I forget the exact number but it takes months and after being diagnosed by said professional that the are in fact Transgender they will receive a letter stating that fact.

They will then take this Identity affirming letter to an Endocrinologist (hormone specialist) who will prescribe them the proper hormones. If the Transgender individual wishes to go all the way and have the bottom surgery they must live and present as a woman for a time of no less than 1 year.

So men who just walk into the bathroom and claim "oh I'm Transgender so it's cool" will be convicted of misconduct if apprehended. They will go to court and will be unable to provide the necessary documents that prove with a stamp of approval form an expert that they are in fact Transgender.

So again...YOU ARE WRONG and do not know what your talking about. You obviously have no understanding (you should now) of what the process is to be properly identified as Transgender. You also seem to have no understanding of how court proceedings, the judicial system and sufficient evidence work together to separate misunderstandings form actual crimes.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Men always had this possibility, that is why you accompany a child at all times, restroom or not. But now we are putting girls at risk. When is the last time you heard of female on female pedo... not very often. Actually, at 34 years of age I've never heard of it. It ALWAYS man on boy, man on woman/little girl.

A MAN dressed as MAN in the MEN'S room is caught videotaping young boy

And the sex wars continue.

So the PRO TG crowd has no problems putting children at risk over their GD politics.

Stay classy people.

Stay classy.

a reply to: neo96

You mean like how they're already at risk from non trans folks?

But somehow it's different because trans. According to the anti-trans people who pretend it's something that will only happen because trans.

Stay classy.