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originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
You brought up the earlier description of Aaron making a mold and casting an image of a calf and then proceed to say he was lying.
A perfect example of you focusing on the irrelevant to argue anything because you are not interested in the topic only in arguing against what I am saying period.
Was Aaron a trained goldsmith and metallurgist? Did the Israelites have access in the desert to the metal to make the mold, the proper machinery to make a hot enough fire to melt gold? Not even possible never mind likely.
It is an allegorical story and not a real event so it isn't important whether or not Aaron was lying because it's not a true story.
And monoatomic gold is powdered gold. The ancient Pharoahs are also said to have consumed a similar substance. Monoatomic gold is being researched and is said to have phenomenal properties.
None of that is a leap. It is connecting the dots. Feel free to not like it but it isn't going to make a difference because your opinion is only yours.
You don't like anyone speculating on biblical matters if they aren't in line with your view. OK. But you are a stubborn fundamentalist so that is the norm. You think you have the truth and everyone who doesn't accept Jesus is wrong.
You have an agenda. You need to be right and will deny being wrong and if proof exists you will say you don't believe it because of one reason or another.
I kind of feel bad for you but you I don't when it comes to you stating your opinion as fact when it isn't.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
You just nitpick everything like you are writing an essay and now you're a 40 year academic you're telling me for what reason?
Because you don't know everything and anything you see that you don't like you go to Google and find something that agrees with you or spew random uncheckable or irrelevant information until it looks like you wrote a rebuttal. Sadly, your facts are almost always incorrect and all the websites and facts can't tell you you are wrong.
Regardless, Moses did turn gold to powder and that can not and was not done just with fire.
And he ordains the Levites as a reward for slaughtering 3000 of their fellow Israelites after they mysteriously start running around like they are on something and only Levites join Moses as if they did not drink the water and are not messed up.
It is a curious story if your goal wasn't just to write long essays trying to show you are the smartest as if more words=more right and more smart. You are essentially just transferring the information you just looked up and pretending to be an expert. It is obvious because nobody just happens to know everything about everything you do all the time like a walking encyclopedia.
But when you are wrong about every time like you it isn't hard to see what you are trying to do. I wouldn't be surprised if you were just interested in making sure people don't think different from what you want them to. Or even think at all. You are like the Inquisition. Thought police.
So now you are quite definite that Moses turned gold into powder and that there is no other interpretation?
Exodus 32:20 He took the calf that they had made, burned it with fire, ground it TO POWDER, scattered it on the water, and made the Israelites drink it.
Perfect example of you pretending to know the topic and not even knowing the words, but having no problem with arguing about the contents that you don't even correctly know.
You asked if I am sure he turned it into powder as if it wasn't explicitly stated in the Bible that he did. Proof you are not aware of what it says.
But why can't you argue about stuff in a deceptive manner? It's a free country. If you want to ignore complicated passages that you don't understand you can comment still.
You look foolish but it is your choice.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
Moses wrote the book of Revelation.
There you go, you can correct me now, I said something incorrect and you stop obsessing with me.
Although I am flattered that you take such an interest in you would do better to learn that which you don't understand before getting involved in a discussion about it. You have showed that you don't care about the truth and will make dishonest statements if you get desperate. Saying my own comment doesn't even say gold when it is talking about the previously mentioned gold calf, which was subsequently turned into powder although you tried to say otherwise. Gold or powder, whichever you meant, was obvious and you tried to say otherwise.
That's dishonest or du...inattentive. One of the two.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
I'm just giving you what you want, to prove me wrong about some so you get your fix and stop bothering me things that I am not wrong about.
OK how about...the Jews are from Canada.
I mean it this time I really believe it.
But after this comment I am filing you under D.N.E. for does not exist because if I keep arguing with a fool I will eventually become one and you are the perfect example of that type of person.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
because if I keep arguing with a fool I will eventually become one
originally posted by: Joecanada11
a reply to: chr0naut
It's true there are are Jews in Canada. They are also responsible for the Montreal smoked meat sandwich !!! A must try for anyone visiting Quebec.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
Not relevant to the text in the op or any other part. The text is clear that it was gold and only gold. A stutue from Egypt and a mythical golden calf have nothing to do with each other.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: chr0naut
How many times do I have to quote the same passage just to convince that the calf was made out of gold? You tell me the other ingredients.
Ex.32:2
"Take off your gold rings that are one your ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me."3So all the people took off the gold rings from their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4He took them, formed it in a mold, and cast an image of an idol.
A mold would be the reverse of the object you are making, and made of a metal that melts at a higher degree than the metal being poured in.
None of that is possible for people stranded in the desert. You would not even be able to melt the gold without a special oven. You would not be able to create the mold without the equipment a goldsmith/metallurgist would have at his shop.
So as far as how it was made, it is impossible that it even was made and you can't make a golden calf with a chisel and a fire. You're arguing a moot point as the story is obviously allegorical and using a different translation than mine so you can say " it says this word, not...."
But the NRSV is as good a translation as any and you can stop trying to say it was made out of anything besides gold because the text doesn't say it which you know.
I don't know why it is so important to you that the golden calf be made of anything but gold to the point where you could say "obviously" when it is obvious that it is only gold unless you are willing to assume things the text doesn't say.
I have never heard anyone argue that the golden calf was anything but gold. It is a pretty dumb thing to argue. I don't see the word chisel in my bible which is of the most reputable class using DSS, Greek and Masoretic texts to produce the most accurate to the original as possible.
For the final time unless you have the text that list the other ingredients that it was made of, the calf was gold.
And millions of Christians and Jews are comfortable with this being an allegorical story so I don't believe you are being anything but bitter by asking why I am interested in the first place. Believing the Bible is a literal historical account is not a prerequisite for studying it.
Are you saying that Twighlight is as good a book as the Bible? I will have to take your word for it I have not even seen the movie.