Rape Culture

a reply to: rockintitz

There are waaaaayyyy more men who rape and get away with it than there are men falsely convicted.

And justice system aside, there is a huge problem with blaming the victim and not near enough shaming of the perpetrators.

Can you admit that rapists should be publicly condemned and victims of rape should be publicly supported? Or are you afraid that would make you a man hating feminist? I think the point of the 'Rape Culture' movement is that silence and complacency is what allows the crime to continue on the levels that it does. I think that if raising awareness somehow prevents ONE rape, then it's all worth it.

But I'm guessing you've never been raped, so it's no big deal to you either way.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

There is a certain point as a woman where you have to take SOME responsibility for yourself and your actions.

Didn't her mother ever teach her NOT to go home with strangers? Didn't her mother ever teach that it's not a good idea to drink around strangers?

So in my personal experience:
I was in a vehicle with 3 guy friends. One jokes 'let's rape her'. Let's say they went through with it and I was gang banged by 3 guys. It would be MY fault for being in a vehicle with them?

Wow. Good thing rape culture isn't a real thing.

No, but there are certain schools for feminism who would say that even just joking about it would constitute it. So even if your friends didn't go through with it, those crying about rape culture would say the joke was enough to victimize you.

I will fully admit that some people go overboard. Calling an ass grab a 'sexual assault' is not the proper use of the terminology. But, as I just stated in another post. If the movement somehow prevents ONE rape, then it's all worth it. And if it doesn't pertain to you, ignore it. If you don't believe 'Rape Culture' exists, then don't participate....but don't undermine the awareness to the issue that some people are trying to raise.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: rockintitz

I know that there are plenty of sickos out there but any man who does't instinctively know the difference between good sex and rape is just that a sicko.

Respect for the other sex both for boys and girls is sadly now something that should be taught in school = regardless of culture or religion because we now have a multicultural world.

Sadly some women report rape when no rape has happened. Only consensual sex. Regret to have sex is no reason to label a man as a rapist.

What do we do with rapists?

Rape is a serious crime. It is vile, punishing, and it's effects last for lifetime.

But as we shouldn't punish all muslims for the acts for a few, or deny gun rights for all because of the actions of a few, we shouldn't ever punish all men for the actions of a few.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
There are waaaaayyyy more men who rape and get away with it than there are men falsely convicted.

Totally agree. By get away with it do you mean "Went to official trial but the evidence was not strong enough to convict?" Or do you mean "Nobody prosecuted them?" What do you think is the reason for all this getting away with it? What do you think can and should be done to improve this situation? Specific examples would be good (seriously).

there is a huge problem with blaming the victim and not near enough shaming of the perpetrators.

I don't think I can go on about the victim blame element after six pages of it now, but on shaming the perpetrators, if we are not using the justice system to evaluate what constitutes rape, a crime, and a person who committed it, what lynchmob are we empowering to educationally, professionally, religiously, socially, familially ruin the life of a man so accused?

While we're at it, given that even without the justice system the fallout from accusation can be so intense for a man, what would be the fine or punishment for a woman who submitted a man for public-ruination and then it turned out was not honest or was redefining rape as 'said something that made her uncomfortable' or has zero evidence so may have made it up or whatever? Do we send a different lynchmob after her, or will the first one play both roles?

Can you admit that rapists should be publicly condemned

Every person on this thread has said rapists are criminals and should be treated as such. I mean page after page, every single person. If you think additional elements rather than all those noted above and prison time and parole and sexual predator listing notification in neighborhoods for their future is insufficient punishment for rape, ok, what element would you suggest we add to that to make it more of a public condemning?

and victims of rape should be publicly supported?

Absolutely and this hasn't been the focus of this thread (as it was the 'rape culture' topic not specific to survivors' experience) but if someone testifies to a rape that is ruled as legit and criminal, that person is not only worth support for having survived a harrowing experience but for having the courage to deal with a lot of neurotic culture by standing up in court and so on.

This being said, expecting anybody to castigate men and support women based on incredibly little evidence would be injust on every level.

I think the point of the 'Rape Culture' movement is that silence and complacency is what allows the crime to continue on the levels that it does.

Actually I think silence and complacency evidence there is not a "rape culture" here by the official term's standards, because those which ARE rape cultures are not silent or complacent or private or suppressive about it, it's just everywhere and right in everyone's face with no laws against it no prosecution options and so on.

But what I see is the gender feminist movement begins nearly everything with "redefining terms" at which point nobody can ever agree on anything. If what we consider rape is totally different, if what we consider a rape culture is totally different, we're never going to agree on anything. That they do this merely adds to the always-more-harm-then-help tragedy of their approach to everything.

I think that if raising awareness somehow prevents ONE rape, then it's all worth it.

That sounds beautiful on paper but I think if refusing to allow this massive cultural revisionism and criminal redefinition somehow prevents one man from having his life ruined, then it's all worth it -- wait, wouldn't it be nice if both of those could be goals together rather than polarized.

I just don't see any evidence that the hysterical, redefinition and bully-as-victim-ization from the modern feminists is saving anybody at all. I think they're making everything worse.

But I'm guessing you've never been raped, so it's no big deal to you either way.

It is injust to assume about other people, or to assume that just because someone may disagree with you -- or even merely your definition of terms -- that they support or care nothing about violent crime upon innocent people.

Any group of people (in this case men) should have the right to defend themselves where they are unfairly or injustly treated, without being accused of some kind of offense or assault merely by their defense.

Men are not always in the right, they are quite often in the wrong on this topic both philosophically and behaviorally of course, and in those instances it should not be let slide, this is important, our culture needs to improve in this area. But the current situation is injust to everybody.

RC

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

I will admit that. That doesn't make me a feminist that makes me someone who is against all types of violence.

Your turn.

Please give me an example of rape promotion in western society.

a reply to: rockintitz

Please give me an example of rape promotion in western society

What an odd little thread. Who said the west is a culture of rape? er... nobody?

There are people who rape, both male and female. These people are sexual deviants and sometimes predators. They are spread all over the world. There are cultures in which rape is minimized, but I'm not aware of any in Western Civilizations. If there exists a pocket or two or people who support each others rapes, I expect they are currently in prisons, or will be soon enough.

originally posted by: ladyinwaiting
What an odd little thread. Who said the west is a culture of rape? er... nobody?

Actually, the alleged "U.S. Rape Culture" hypothesis is a major talking point for modern day "feminists", and there are at least a few people who appear to support the hypothesis in this very thread.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

There is a certain point as a woman where you have to take SOME responsibility for yourself and your actions.

Didn't her mother ever teach her NOT to go home with strangers? Didn't her mother ever teach that it's not a good idea to drink around strangers?

So in my personal experience:
I was in a vehicle with 3 guy friends. One jokes 'let's rape her'. Let's say they went through with it and I was gang banged by 3 guys. It would be MY fault for being in a vehicle with them?

Wow. Good thing rape culture isn't a real thing.

You yourself said you were with 3 guy "friends" (you put the word in your post in quote marks), suggesting these guys were not really friends at all.

Now, if you have "friends" who would even "jokingly" say "lets rape her" while you are alone with them in a vehicle, then YES, it is YOUR FAULT AS WELL for having or being anywhere alone with such "friends".
Of course they would be guilty of rape and should get the hardest punishment possible --- but could you really free yourself of ANY GUILT this happened to you, knowing how good your "friends" are and then STILL getting alone in a vehicle with them?

a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

No one here is undermining awareness. Just voicing out against automatically blaming all men. You said if you've never been there you don't know. I HAVE been there! I know the feeling of shame. How did I let myself land here? What did I do wrong? All the typical thoughts a victim has. I know I did nothing wrong. It was a power trip for one guy and amusement for the others. Yet here I am not blaming everyone with a penis for one man's open violence against me and the others complacency with it. You know what I am willing to bet if half the men that have spoken here had come across what that guy was doing they would have tried to help me.

These feminazis are causing more harm than good. Saying all men need to die. Really why? Are all Muslims jihadists? Are all Christians Westboro Baptist? No? Really then why are all men to be assumed rapists? I am not pulling this out my rear end. I have read the feminists blogs, seen their tweets, even been disrespected by them for my choices not fitting their agenda. Hell I have had feminists say I deserved it because I did not agree with them. WTF? Pot meet kettle.

I said it earlier the modern feminists or the feminazi movement is not about equality it's about dominance. Oppressing men. Making men second class citizens who are only useful for reproduction. I will support actual victims. Not ones who claim eye rape. Not ones who are lying liars who lie about a man when they damn well know they had consented before. Not the ones encouraged to claim rape by their little feminazi buddies because a guy breaks up with them. These women are making legit claims and legit victims seem like they are exaggerating.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: ladyvalkyrie

There is a certain point as a woman where you have to take SOME responsibility for yourself and your actions.

Didn't her mother ever teach her NOT to go home with strangers? Didn't her mother ever teach that it's not a good idea to drink around strangers?

So in my personal experience:
I was in a vehicle with 3 guy friends. One jokes 'let's rape her'. Let's say they went through with it and I was gang banged by 3 guys. It would be MY fault for being in a vehicle with them?

Wow. Good thing rape culture isn't a real thing.

No, but there are certain schools for feminism who would say that even just joking about it would constitute it. So even if your friends didn't go through with it, those crying about rape culture would say the joke was enough to victimize you.

I will fully admit that some people go overboard. Calling an ass grab a 'sexual assault' is not the proper use of the terminology. But, as I just stated in another post. If the movement somehow prevents ONE rape, then it's all worth it. And if it doesn't pertain to you, ignore it. If you don't believe 'Rape Culture' exists, then don't participate....but don't undermine the awareness to the issue that some people are trying to raise.

But see, as the mother of small boy who is going to have to navigate this toxic culture you are helping to create in the very near future, I don't have much choice.

What am I supposed to tell him?

Son, those are girls. Don't talk to them. Don't look at them. Don't touch them, even accidentally. Never, ever trust one because if she decides she is angry with you or changes her mind about your relationship later on, she can accuse you of all kinds of things that will ruin your life.

Yeah, not very good for him.

Perhaps I ought to put him in a burka and sequester him and never let him out of the house because he cannot be trusted to control his urges so he better be supervised by female relatives when out in public at all time?

This woman has a good grasp of what rape culture really is, so read and learn.

everydayfeminism.com...

originally posted by: Substracto
Hardline feminists dont like to deal with rational arguments, they see victimization everywhere because it's a way for them to exist and scream their own hate regarding men.

This made me laugh.

a reply to: rockintitz

3rd wave feminists are some of most wacko people and have destroyed the entire movement. They get destroyed daily on YouTube

a reply to: JDmOKI

The topic is rape culture not bashing feminists, oh wait...as per usual.

a reply to: InTheLight

OK rape culture is one of the most ridiculous made up feminist ideologies used to create victims of women and to demonize men.

Like men liking video games because it distracts them from their urges to rape...

Fooking retarded

a reply to: JDmOKI

Educate yourself.

everydayfeminism.com...

a reply to: InTheLight

I do every single day and decided I can't call myself a feminist anymore because of the vile disgusting closed minded people who represent modern feminists.

3rd wave feminists are a joke

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: InTheLight

I do every single day and decided I can't call myself a feminist anymore because of the vile disgusting closed minded people who represent modern feminists.

3rd wave feminists are a joke

We're not discussing extreme feminism here..you do know a rant forum exists, right?

a reply to: InTheLight

But feminism has the same problem the civil rights groups do, most of the really big issues have all been fought for and mostly won. No one says there aren't lingering issues. Heck, the video I posted says the actual rape stat is likely closer to 1 in 52 which is still higher than anyone likes to think about, but when third wave feminists go on their 1 in 5 rants and start making ridiculous arguments like all sex is rape, even consensual ... they begin to get ridiculous.

We see the same thing in the race side of things. People upset over the term brown bag and the like as an expression of racism.