Why should any educated adult believe any of the stone age religions are anything but make believe?

a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

Yeah well, in many things, but I think that's kind of a cop out in the chosen belief/non and lack of.

There is no "I know".

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a reply to: Annee

There is no "I know".

I dont agree With that. A lot of People know that God exists, Its just that they cant prove it physically.

I know i can argue the existance of God. The problem is that People will argue that science wont support my argument.

If i say that God is absolute infnite empty Space. People will reject this argument based on how science view this from its Research. Educated People dont even know what a absolute infnite empty Space is. They dont know that it is a absolute vacuum. A vacuum that is a absolute constant.

People think science is all knowing, that science have all the answears today. But science barely understand Our finite universe. Science is Limited to only studying finite matter and particles that only exist within Our finite universe. People also have a problem grasping that information to.

Common people dont know the difference between finite and infinite. Not even the educated once. People tend to forget that Our universe had a beginning some 13,799billion years ago. But speak as if it always existed and that Our expanding universe is the only physical sapce there is. Because science can not prove that there is a absolute empty Space outside Our expaning universe. But as i stated before science is Limited to only studying matter and particles within Our expanding universe. Science dont know what was before Our universe was formed 13,799 billion years ago.


To make this more complicated.

The singularity that was formed 13.79 billion years ago, was made With all the Properties that made it possible for us to exist today.
Do to the uiniversal laws you could think that we were all preplanned to exist at a specific timeline. People who believe in evolution can not reject this. They can not reject that there is a timeline.

originally posted by: spy66

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a reply to: Annee

There is no "I know".

I dont agree With that. A lot of People know that God exists, Its just that they cant prove it physically.

I know i can argue the existance of God. The problem is that People will argue that science wont support my argument.

If i say that God is absolute infnite empty Space. People will reject this argument based on how science view this from its Research. Educated People dont even know what a absolute infnite empty Space is. They dont know that it is a absolute vacuum. A vacuum that is a absolute constant.

People think science is all knowing, that science have all the answears today. But science barely understand Our finite universe. Science is Limited to only studying finite matter and particles that only exist within Our finite universe. People also have a problem grasping that information to.

Common people dont know the difference between finite and infinite. Not even the educated once. People tend to forget that Our universe had a beginning some 13,799billion years ago. But speak as if it always existed and that Our expanding universe is the only physical sapce there is. Because science can not prove that there is a absolute empty Space outside Our expaning universe. But as i stated before science is Limited to only studying matter and particles within Our expanding universe. Science dont know what was before Our universe was formed 13,799 billion years ago.


To make this more complicated.

The singularity that was formed 13.79 billion years ago, was made With all the Properties that made it possible for us to exist today.
Do to the uiniversal laws you could think that we were all preplanned to exist at a specific timeline. People who believe in evolution can not reject this. They can not reject that there is a timeline.

The only thing you can label "with evidence" as intelligent creation is everything known to exist with humanity being the intelligence. You sure there was a singularity or lots of singularities "multiverse"? Maybe each galaxy was a singularity of sorts and some event triggered each to expand into what we see today? Seems as soon as we build a detector that can see deeper in space we find more stuff.

a reply to: Xeven

The only thing you can label "with evidence" as intelligent creation is everything known to exist with humanity being the intelligence. You sure there was a singularity or lots of singularities "multiverse"?

The expansion of Our universe indicate that there is no other. Our universe is Close to a Perfect sphere according to the WMAP. If there were other multiverses the expansion of Our universe would not be Close to a Perfect sphere in all directions, do to the interactions creating resistance between other particles, matter and radiation from other universes.



There is only one void of Space that can make Our universe have a Close to Perfect sphere as it expands and that is if it is surrounded by a void of Space that is absolut neutral/empty.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

Yeah well, in many things, but I think that's kind of a cop out in the chosen belief/non and lack of.

There is no "I know".

That is a very common myth with people who don't think God exists. It is the same with any ignorance of something where people think if they themselves don't know something, then no one else could possibly know it either. This is a form of cognitive dissonance reinforcement in action. People who don't want something to be true will often reinforce that belief any way they can, for whatever reason.
People who do not know God wouldn't be privy to how God reveals himself to those who love him and know he exists, and that is the exact reason why people chug along saying "no one knows".

But many DO know. And this is not just faith.

Not so much an answer as an observation of my own experience.

I like to believe in things after they begin to appear to be self evident, without leaps of faith.

I have screamed at the sky for answers in the past, and I got no answers.

I now assume there isn't anybody up there for lack of evidence.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

Yeah well, in many things, but I think that's kind of a cop out in the chosen belief/non and lack of.

There is no "I know".

But many DO know. And this is not just faith.

No, you don't KNOW.

Pfft
*quotes the whole Bible*

See my point?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

Yeah well, in many things, but I think that's kind of a cop out in the chosen belief/non and lack of.

There is no "I know".

But many DO know. And this is not just faith.

No, you don't KNOW.

Yes they do. That is the main difference between those who believe and those who dont.

There is a reason why you and others dont have the same knowledge as we do when it comes to God. You have not been shared the feeling and knowledge or you plainly have rejected it, when it was shared With you.

Non believers will never have the same knowledge as a believer have. THat is why we dont share common ground when it comes to understanding this.

You have no idea of what this is like. You can not speak for us when you dont know what we know.

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner

I now assume there isn't anybody up there for lack of evidence.

Well, yes. Assume is not the same as KNOW.

I don't think God makes any sense. I think it's completely illogical.

But, do I KNOW God does not exist? No I don't.

I do tend to believe in "ancient astronauts" and dimensional beings. Possibly benevolent that can manifest physical form. That fact and myth merged.

But, I still don't KNOW.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: spy66

well, in the commonly accepted rules of logic, you cannot prove a negative.

So the nonexistence seems to have that going for it.

Yeah well, in many things, but I think that's kind of a cop out in the chosen belief/non and lack of.

There is no "I know".

But many DO know. And this is not just faith.

No, you don't KNOW.

Yes they do. That is the main difference between those who believe and those who dont.

There is a reason why you and others dont have the same knowledge as we do when it comes to God. You have not been shared the feeling and knowledge or you plainly have rejected it, when it was shared With you.

Non believers will never have the same knowledge as a believer have. THat is why we dont share common ground when it comes to understanding this.

You have no idea of what this is like.

knowledge??.....what knowledge have you gained from a mythical being created almost 2000 years ago?.....why isn't there a god that doesn't kill humans with earthquakes, typhoons, floods, etc.?....why would a god create malaria, and then create the stealthy mosquito to spread the deadly disease more effectively?....when I have more empathy for my fellow man than any god I have read about, something stinks about these gods that billions of people believe is their "savior"

a reply to: spy66

I was raised in the Christian faith. Even considered being a minister. But, I wasn't going to preach/teach something I didn't have full knowledge of. So, I began researching Jesus.

Still believing "myth Jesus" after intensive research definitely requires a Leap of Faith.

I did not become "true" atheist until age 65. Can't say I didn't give God a chance.

a reply to: Annee

"Bro, just because you don't know, doesn't mean I don't know and so by extention you should now be able to know."

Christian arguement 101.

originally posted by: imjack
a reply to: Annee

"Bro, just because you don't know, doesn't mean I don't know and so by extention you should now be able to know."

Christian arguement 101.

LOL 😄

Circular bible.

a reply to: jimmyx

knowledge??.....what knowledge have you gained from a mythical being created almost 2000 years ago?.....

Good question. God would be a mythical being in the mind of those who dont have the knwoledge to tell the difference. At the same time People have also been forced to Accept Gods...but will not personally believe in these Gods/things. These are important aspects we have to know.

God is not a mythical being in a human form. God have never claimed to be. God have never claimed to be a planet either, but we have. If you think of Yourself as a intelligent human being you should be able to tell this appart.

Moste People have, but at the same time they assume God is just a human thing. And that is their final stance on the subject. And can not be reached again.

a reply to: Annee

Yep. As flat as Earth. Why do you think they pushed that idea in Galileo's time?

Better question is who pushes that now?
Religion.

a reply to: Annee

I don't think God makes any sense. I think it's completely illogical.

But, do I KNOW God does not exist? No I don't.

I do tend to believe in "ancient astronauts" and dimensional beings. Possibly benevolent that can manifest physical form. That fact and myth merged.

But, I still don't KNOW.

RIGHT?!!! Annee, I agree with you completely. I will never say I don't believe in the unseen, dimensional beings, and I even think 'ancient astronauts' makes FAR more sense than "the Bible" .....

but the Abrahamic anthropomorphic "God"? No Freaking Way.

Not even a possibility. Ghosts, angels, afterlife, multiverses, Ultimate Source, sure.........
some bearded guy in the clouds?


So much nope.

It doesn't matter a whit whether one believes in God or not. What matters is how you live your lives.

If a belief in God tends to make people behave well, then it is a good belief. After all, religion is all about teaching good from evil, isn't it... how to live a good, decent life within a community?

I'm a believer in 'Life after Death', but have no idea on what that means. I have that belief because of an Out Of Body Experience when I was a young student. Such an event is quite unforgettable, even more than 50 years later.

(no, I'm unwilling to discuss the OOBE. It's very personal, just as religious belief should be)

originally posted by: imjack
a reply to: Annee

Yep. As flat as Earth. Why do you think they pushed that idea in Galileo's time?

Better question is who pushes that now?
Religion.

Religion is about control. Whoever benefits in religious leadership.

The "sheep" are the sheep. There are some very good sheep. There are also some very bad sheep. However, I think most just live in fear of punishment and act accordingly.