A more left wing or centrist ATS anyone??

a reply to: Swills

IS reddit any good, I have heard some contradicting things

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: Swills

IS reddit any good, I have heard some contradicting things

In my opinion no it is not.

Ride out the storm of extreme right wing views that abound all over the internet, bus stops and pubs until it all calms down in my opinion.

I am starting to think that it is simply cyclic. Look at the rise of Thatcher in the '80's followed by "New labour" and then back to the Torys again.

We are looking at a new breed of hateful skinheads but I feel it will pass.

Transience is a wonderful thing.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

There are plenty of left-wing and right-wing extremists on ATS. I find them all annoying because they all want to tell me what to do and take my rights away. I find PC speak annoying simply because if someone wants to get offended that isn't my problem or concern and I am not going to be shamed into not saying what I think by some nutter on the left or the right.

Anyway, I think the only way ATS would seem left-wing or right-wing would be if YOU are part of the problem. Because only a left-wing or right-wing person would see ATS as biased. If anything you have 25% left-wingers, 25% right-wingers, 25% centrists and maybe 20-25% Libertarians who are simply tired of getting pushed around by both the left-wing and right-wingers.

All this OP does is expose you as one of the people that is a problem on ATS only on the opposite side of what you claim to be the problem. I have found ATS to be a VERY balanced place with plenty of people that will set you straight when you spout nonsense. I have been wrong on ATS and called on it plenty of times.

Consider yourself called, sir.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I have been called a "people like you" by invariably right wingers, that will disagree with anything I say, simply because it's me saying it.

A clear cut case of "personality before principals" ...If I said the sky was blue they would take to opposite approach because they just don't like me...They made that obvious when they marginalized me with the "people like you" designation.

bring it...I thrive on adversity!!

ATS has made a shift to the right with the Trump cult of personality, frequenting the political boards not to mention the election of a half black POTUS. It's not just his policies and they know it.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: ketsuko

To be clear by right wing i am talking about the extreme the people who troll thread with "I HATE MUSLIMS/JEWS/IMMIGRANTS" written between every line.

Also I am not saying the right wing view is more or less mature only that I want more mature debate (less ignorance, most accepting of others views, more open to contradicting ideas) and less of the extreme right wing behaviour

Are they actually saying that or is it that your mind injects that because of your views? A good many people automatically default anything that is the least bit critical of certain positions to the extreme. They call it "dog whistle" talk in the US and even though you never actually said or thought the things they accuse you of saying, they'll tell you that you didn't have to actually say it because they know what you meant.

Are you walking that street?

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I have been called a "people like you" by invariably right wingers, that will disagree with anything I say, simply because it's me saying it.

A clear cut case of "personality before principals" ...If I said the sky was blue they would take to opposite approach because they just don't like me...They made that obvious when they marginalized me with the "people like you" designation.

bring it...I thrive on adversity!!

Yes, well, the people like you talk goes around Olaru, and I know I've said it to your comments before because the position you espoused is not one that is unique but one I had seen parrotted around the Internet by a good many people who hold left wing views.

In other words, that particular idea was maybe not as unique as you thought it was.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I have been called a "people like you" by invariably right wingers, that will disagree with anything I say, simply because it's me saying it.

A clear cut case of "personality before principals" ...If I said the sky was blue they would take to opposite approach because they just don't like me...They made that obvious when they marginalized me with the "people like you" designation.

bring it...I thrive on adversity!!

You and I normally don't agree on most things, but I still appreciate your value to teaching me views and philosophies from an extreme left-wing position just as I value people that teach me about their extreme right-wing values.

Frankly, you ARE 'one of those people' when I think of someone that leans extremely to one side or the other. I don't see a problem with who you are and I consider you a valuable member of the ATS community.

a reply to: nonspecific

I actually do equate a more left wing approach as more mature but in a utopian future sense. To me the right wing attitude is based too much on selfishness and power whereas the left seems more inclined to look for a solution to the worlds problems that include all people regardless of intellect, social standing and financial stability.

Do you come to that conclusion because your leanings are towards the left? I find the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum to be those that usually post one-line slash attacks, sometimes on a personal level because the subject being discussed violates the dogma their hold dear. Maturity is lacking from posts by many of these extremists.

I have learned a lot since I joined, and have posted on multiple occasions that my position was flawed based on personal bias. Opposing views on a myriad of subjects brought me to ATS, and if I wanted nodding heads, I would have commented on HuffPo or Fox, depending on my leanings.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

The political debate is infuriating when most of the people I am conversing with are all right wing who I know secretly want to say lets deport all the people with brown faces that pray to that funny named god and build a giant wall between us and them then we can ignore them for eternity.

In other words, the political debate is infuriating when most of the people you are conversing with disagree with you. The racism and intolerance in this statement alone has exposed you. You know what others secretly want, presumably by your own projection, and that what they want is deport all "people with brown faces" so they can be ignored for eternity. Besides this logic being held together by no more than silly string, it is a despicable presumption about other people with opposing views.

It's not so much the "right wing takeover".

It's the massive exposures of the Left Wing agendas, and the failures to make sensible rebuttals.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Nah. I really enjoy debunking right winger gibberish with inconvenient facts. Besides from that I really don't give a flying sh!t about political viewpoints when there's a specific topic at hand to discuss. And since I've got called a right winger myself quite a few times, I would suggest you better don't jump to that conclusion too fast.

Better step away from the mudpit of political debates at all, at least if you've got issues with plain stupidity or right winger madness in general.

Do we need to step up with a new opinion patrol to keep 'em in check? Well. ATS is lost if that would be the case, which it isn't. The T&Cs are sufficient to keep the most blatant and offensive crap at a minimum.
Nope. I think your whole approach is rather suspicious, "people should this... staff should that". Get a fricken grip! You control-types should really start to erase this paternalistic nanny-state BS out of your head for good.

„Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Kommunist. Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat. Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten, habe ich geschwiegen; ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter. Als sie mich holten, gab es keinen mehr, der protestieren konnte.

Martin Niemöller

Find a translation if you need one, but I think you'll catch the drift without.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

people are following a leader. and without a viable liberal leader....they are just following Trump.

Which, TBH, is not "radical right wing".

ATS is very libertarian when you look at it from 30,000 feet. To the left, it looks right. To the right, it looks left.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

people are following a leader. and without a viable liberal leader....they are just following Trump.

Which, TBH, is not "radical right wing".

ATS is very libertarian when you look at it from 30,000 feet. To the left, it looks right. To the right, it looks left.

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The above is spot on analysis. I wish I could have crystalized my thoughts so well.

I keep my sanity by staying out of the left/right crap on ATS as much as I possibly can.

Far too many Americans (not all obviously) thrive and breath this divisive political crap to the point that it's become a fetish for them. So much so that they have to bring it into every bloody thread on ATS whether it's relative to the topic or not.

And those very vocally divisive types have become the main voice of ATS these days simply because this site is dominated by the American populace, so it's a numbers thing.


However, I'm still hoping all this political left-right garbage will eventually run its course and ATS can finally get back to the meat and potatoes that makes this place great - conspiracy and the world of the wild weird and wacky - as well as hopefully getting back to the normal mode of decorum, common decency, and basic respect for one another as fellow human beings when we're discussing topics in a thread.

Rather than this infantile 'my side is better than your side' verbal vomit coming from every direction.



But until then... I find myself hanging out more and more on the BTS side of things now, looking at LOL cat pics, watching funny videos, and writing down people's recipes.

BTS has become my new sanctuary to get away from the Jerry Springer show happening on the other side.

Yee haw.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So, you're looking for a site that caters to everyone (even though it appears to be based out of the United States, according to Bloomberg) and have the mods/owners censor and jettison many people whose views are opposed to yours?

You know, you can do this thing called ignore people. If they bug you, cease discussion with them--it's your right and (IMO) responsibility to walk away from conversation that you don't like.

Why you are basically demanding that ATS change to suit your wants and desires is pretty narcissistic and selfish if you ask me. And you did, because you posted this publicly.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

I am not demanding that ATS changes

Actually I am just really asking for a alternative site that has less of a extreme right wing membership.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: SlapMonkey

I am not demanding that ATS changes

Actually I am just really asking for a alternative site that has less of a extreme right wing membership.

I think the responses to your thread; proved your point. But I wouldn't expect any rational response; just more
finger pointing, defense of ideologies and transparent obfuscation.

my solution....

[SNIP]

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: SlapMonkey

I am not demanding that ATS changes

Actually I am just really asking for a alternative site that has less of a extreme right wing membership.

I think the responses to your thread; proved your point. But I wouldn't expect any rational response; just more
finger pointing, defense of ideologies and transparent obfuscation.

Yea, people like you would say things like that.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Well, my mistake, then, because reading through your OP, you seem upset that a lack of setting up a UK forum at your request is a reason to seek a different site...or because there is a large number of people from a country that has a large number of people talking about their election...or because you label opinions as far-right-wing and ask that the owners do a purge of such members who comment with that type of ideological thinking.

I hope that you can see why I (and apparently others) have taken your rant in such a way.

And to be fair, there are 320,000,000 people in the US. In the UK, there are 64,000,000. When the ratio of those populations is 5-to-1, you'd expect quite a bit more American discussion.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: nonspecific

I actually do equate a more left wing approach as more mature but in a utopian future sense. To me the right wing attitude is based too much on selfishness and power whereas the left seems more inclined to look for a solution to the worlds problems that include all people regardless of intellect, social standing and financial stability.

Do you come to that conclusion because your leanings are towards the left? I find the extremists on both sides of the political spectrum to be those that usually post one-line slash attacks, sometimes on a personal level because the subject being discussed violates the dogma their hold dear. Maturity is lacking from posts by many of these extremists.

I have learned a lot since I joined, and have posted on multiple occasions that my position was flawed based on personal bias. Opposing views on a myriad of subjects brought me to ATS, and if I wanted nodding heads, I would have commented on HuffPo or Fox, depending on my leanings.

That is an interesting question and not one easily answered.

I think that my political stance is towards the left because of my beliefs and feelings as opposed to the other way round.

I would like to live in a hippyesque utopia where no one suffers, everyone is fed and healthy and people are happy to help their fellow man even if it is to their own detriment.

The right wing side of politics seems to be more about the self and less about the whole whereas the left seems more inclined to look at the greater picture and try to make sure there is more of an equality in people regardless of their input to the collective.