Brussels Airport Explosions

a reply to: WCmutant

My personal opinion is that there is a reason there is a coincidental drill on a lot of these days. Maybe you got a tip, but not hard evidence, that something is brewing at XYZ event, or a particular date, etc. Maybe it's not firm enough to move on, but you still want to be prepared.
So you send out the troops, you publicize the date, and you hope that just saying, "Hey, just in case you're wondering we're going to have larger than normal amounts of LEOs and military for security, and plenty of first responders at XYZ for a 'mass casualty drill'" is enough to deter an attack if one is actually planned. And if it isn't, then at least everything is prepped and you didn't panic the crowds by saying, "Hey, we had a bunch of vague threats regarding XYZ. Hide under your desks".

So, yes, I'd agree it's not just a coincidence all the time, but I don't think it's nefarious. Long way from that to "Hey, let's publicly announce a drill and then actually do it". Because what would the point of that be, anyway? Even if you're pulling a "false flag", why would you also say "Oh, I'm having a drill on that day". Doesn't make sense to me. There's no benefit to announcing a drill over just doing it (and I think the idea of doing it in the first place is a bit loopy). In fact, if you have all those responders there, you're all but guaranteeing a better, less painful result. Wouldn't the twisted goal of the false flag be to maximize the "shock and awe"? It's dead end "logic" to me.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s I am going to try to stuff any preconceived notions I may have and see what I can come up with.

Well, good luck. There aren't any easy answers; I'm not claiming to have it all figured out. I just think some answers seem more foolhardy than others.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: timegentlemen

Not all men are rapists, but the vast majority of rapists are men.

Therefore, to remove the vast majority of rapes, remove all men.

Don't like that? Think it's unfair? TOUGH. The rights of women not to be raped are more important than men's rights to live in the same space.

Actually there are many women that are rapists. So we would have to remove all women as well.

Call me crazy but I'll speak anyway.
Russia withdraw troops from Syria, Brussels (headquater of EU, sunctions against Russia), next probably Germany( Merkel is anti russian), next most likely collapse of EU because of migrant crisis/muslim hate, and NATO due to non reactiveness....fast forward Russia claiming an status quo on Europe, Warsaw Pact borders, maybe even farther. Notice no terorists in Italy, Austria, Switzerland. France on other hand still unfavorable from Russia from failing mistrals deal. Then these ships went to Egypt, boom russian plane going down, tourists economy falling below ground, Turks wanted those ships( paying with cheap isis oil), kaboom another plane( that time russian) for bombing isis tankers....that world is so f...... Up.
Plane that recently droped from the skies in russia was coming from Saudi.....no people no witnesses
Thank you

a reply to: ANNED

Husband knows from his hazmat training that you can make both explosives and poison gas with easy to find household items. They were taught specifically what to watch for. While the gas wouldn't be widely lethal, it was thought it would be useful to slow down reactions to make an attack like you saw at the Paris theatre or in San Bernardino more effective with less chance of someone fighting back or people escaping.

He does not pass on his knowledge, of course. But suffice it to say that if you ever see a big box store truck wreck? Don't go near it. It might contain such a mix. Walmart and Target trucks are hazmat response nightmare.

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I dont want innocent muslims punished for this. [/post]

Why do we never hear, "I don't want the innocent gun owners punished", or "I don't want the innocent white people punished", or "I don't want innocent Christians punished", or "I don't want the innocent Republicans/conservatives punished"?

I think it's because those demographics aren't collectively derided for attacks. Islam is often blamed as a whole for these atrocities, but the same standard isn't applied to other demographics like Christians. For example, people flip their # at Islam for terrorist attacks, but no one had a go at Christianity for the actions of Anders Behring Breivik or the many Christian militias in Africa. Interestingly enough, while ISIS and Breivik cite religious influences, their actions are primarily motivated by politics. ISIS wants a caliphate, Breivik wanted to stop the 'invasion of Europe' and left-leaning politics.

Breivik is not and has never been Christian. I suggest you read the manifesto he wrote. His attacks were because of politics, not religion.

originally posted by: JuJuBee
And Trump thinks he can make America "great, again"? From what i've been reading, that's not going to happen. Not when people in the US still think terrorists come from the Middle East and Muslims are the only religious people that strap bombs to themselves.

Newsflash: America wiped out over 200,000+ people, with 2 bombs. STOP BEING SUCH HYPOCRITES. It's sickening.

It worked out pretty good tho, right?

No one thinks of that, do they.

originally posted by: pompel9

originally posted by: daaskapital

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: anxiouswens
I dont want innocent muslims punished for this. [/post]

Why do we never hear, "I don't want the innocent gun owners punished", or "I don't want the innocent white people punished", or "I don't want innocent Christians punished", or "I don't want the innocent Republicans/conservatives punished"?

I think it's because those demographics aren't collectively derided for attacks. Islam is often blamed as a whole for these atrocities, but the same standard isn't applied to other demographics like Christians. For example, people flip their # at Islam for terrorist attacks, but no one had a go at Christianity for the actions of Anders Behring Breivik or the many Christian militias in Africa. Interestingly enough, while ISIS and Breivik cite religious influences, their actions are primarily motivated by politics. ISIS wants a caliphate, Breivik wanted to stop the 'invasion of Europe' and left-leaning politics.

Breivik is not and has never been Christian. I suggest you read the manifesto he wrote. His attacks were because of politics, not religion.

The same manifesto where he referred to himself as being "100 percent Christian?" Anders Behring Breivik also referred to himself as a modern-day Crusader and claimed membership of a renewed Templar Order. Hell, the front page of his manifesto was emblazoned with a Templar cross...

You can try and spin the facts all you want, but the guy clearly had influences from Christianity, even though he currently identifies with Odinism.

Breivik isn't what many would consider a Christian, just like how Muslims wouldn't necessarily consider ISIS representative of their religion. That's exactly the point. The guy's actions were politically motivated, despite his religious ramblings. The same can be said for the actions of many extreme Muslims. That's what i said in my initial comment:

Interestingly enough, while ISIS and Breivik cite religious influences, their actions are primarily motivated by politics. ISIS wants a caliphate, Breivik wanted to stop the 'invasion of Europe' and left-leaning politics.

Perhaps you should have made a proper attempt at reading my post before commenting, yourself.

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

I supouse you are comparing oranges with apples and telling us its the same thing? So because there are a lot of pleple killed in the USA by guns each and every day something that is a domestic thing differrent from and international incident that some fundamentalist jihadist folks blowing themselves up and kill innocent people? so now you are going too to compare how many people die from car crashes to someone blowing things up and doing mass killings and saying is the allright folks! same thing just different method?

I supouse your mind cant see some difference between something domestic to something that its international and from another "state".

Way to go! So the next time it happens in your country please tell us do not worry people die more for car crashes ! tell that to the family victims and see what happens.

Just for a reminder people :

this is where the ISIS members come from :

in ME : 1- Jordan 2- saudi arabia 3- tunisia

in EU : France , Belgium, Germany, UK

here is a complete report : www.telegraph.co.uk...

Just wanted to say that it could be the poor refugees, it could be not .

I don't see why there's anything suspicious about Belgium running terror drills. Yesterday was only a few days since they arrested the most wanted Islamic State terrorist outside of IS territory. They knew he had aaccomplices that weren't caught, so an attack of some kind was probably likely and definitely worth preparing for.

a reply to: skywatcher44

What are the reasons for the attack?

what are the aims of the attack?

When attacks are against the masses I cant help but think they are state organised because right throughout history such attacks have been made against the individuals considered to be the most responsible for the greivence that motivated the attack.

Only in very recent times have those with the grievances attacked the masses and not the individuals concerned. If they really wanted to attack those they had responsible for the cause of the grievances in Paris, they would have focused and planned their attacks on the French PM at the football game, as the sole objective and sole attack object.

Same in this case. Who gains the most when the 'terros' only attack innocent individuals constituting the masses who exercise very little influence over the causes of the grievances, walk around without a care in the world.

This set of circumstances smells fishy to me because the only people who gain from the masses being attacked and frightened is the people at the top who wield far more influence over the causes of the grievances than the people at the bottom.

originally posted by: haman10
this is where the ISIS members come from :
in ME : 1- Jordan 2- saudi arabia 3- tunisia
in EU : France , Belgium, Germany, UK

The European volunteers into ISIS come from Europe, but have held onto their (Islamic) roots. Have a look-see at Britain's contribution to the death and despair squad. Why has this happened? Well, because it was all the rage to allow different cultural groups to get away with living in the UK, but living separately. It's called multiculturalism, but in fact it was ghettoisation and allowed whole communities to stagnate.

British Jihadists

Looks like one arrest has been made. Coming across the wires as breaking news.

CNN


Brussels bombing prime suspect arrested: media

a reply to: Azureblue

And, "coincidentally", that began, when i remember back, with 9/11.
The only one who profits is a growing surveillance- and policestate, secret service "secured".

It needs a terror attack, and knee jerk reactions(that hit "only" ALL citizens) follow, like:

House Intel Dem: Unclear if encryption helped Brussels bombers

Clinton calls for more surveillance, police after Brussels attacks

Now they have reasons to scream again, ask for more power to the secret services, more power and better weapons(heared that in germany yesterday) for the police, more video surveillance and all that crap, from that only a surveillance- and policestate profits. Look, now something happened(was made happen?) in europe, and here they are, calls for more surveillance of US citizens. After 9/11, that, as we all know, happened in the USA, the whole western world started to morph into "security"-dictatorships, even in europe, across the pond.

The terror is a tool of the "rulers", to rule. The "war on terror" is a cheap excuse for stealing our freedoms, to install a surveillance- and policestate. If the "rulers", our "good guardians", that only want "to save us all from terror", that only need to do that what the terrorists want(as we are told), to destroy our freedoms, our western lifestyle, if this "security" agencies don´t guide all those terror acts, at least they let them happen.

Because that is their only way to rule, with fear, then they can play the hero that nobody can renounce. The hero that saves us "poor, helpless citizens" from the bad and evil... now it´s.. terror, before it was communism.
No terror acts, no ruling by fear, no excuses for the mass surveillance, none for militarized police, no excuses for stealing peoples freedoms(to "save them from the terror") anymore, less reasons for wars...

So it is not to hard to see who really profits and who is losing the game, it´s not too hard to imagine why terror acts happen, why the "security" agencies are every time so uncoordinated, have too less powers, make too much "mistakes", work almost like blind idiots, while you, as a normal citizen, only have to "steal an apple from the wrong tree" and the police will catch you in minutes.

They need terror acts to continue their repressive mass surveillance policy, to grow their surveillance and police state/world. Not hard to imagine then, that they are the puppetmasters who pull the strings!

a reply to: JustMike

Also and finally, the white smoke at the airport blast scene suggest a high explosive device -- a detonation rather than a deflagration. And it was possibly therefore T.A.T.P.

The only argument I would make against that it was home made 'hi' explosive is the hi order detonation initiation train required to set it off. That means blasting caps, which are harder to manufacture than some batch of homemade fireworks. Judging from the damage (and the white vapor condensation) I agree, it was hi order.

I just tuned back in since yesterday, they have info on what they found their bomb making lair yet, anyone? Pics would be awesome.

originally posted by: haman10
Just for a reminder people :

this is where the ISIS members come from :

in ME : 1- Jordan 2- saudi arabia 3- tunisia

in EU : France , Belgium, Germany, UK

here is a complete report : www.telegraph.co.uk...

Just wanted to say that it could be the poor refugees, it could be not .

That would be interesting to know, whether they came into the country hidden among the refugee flood or were already there.

Seems like the third guy was Najim Laacharoui, 24, also known as Soufiane Kayal. His DNA was also found from explosives used in Paris bombing. He was born in Morocco and raised in Brussels, where he studied Electromechanical Engineering. He travelled to Syria in 2013 and after that used his false name at the borders of Hungary and Austria.

He is now arrested.
www.bbc.com...
heavy.com...

a reply to: earthling42

Neither of the two, because the west is not promoting endless war in M.E countries, muslims are quite capable of doing that on their own with their eternal conflicts between shia, sunni, wahabi, alewife, salafi, kurd, sufi.

Blah blah, the Middle east has been completely destabilized by foreign (read that NATO) military interventions since Gulf Wars started. Multiple nations have had their citizens murdered wholesale, their infrastructure destroyed, their governments, military and heads of state "regime changed". Pretty thick blinders not to notice the flood of refugees as a direct result. Wake up, stop spreading the official 'story' line.

originally posted by: Daedal
Oddly enough, a few days ago Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was speaking at a ceremony where he mentioned such an attack happening; even mentioning Brussels.

Source

Speaking at ceremony to commemorate the 101st anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli in the coastal town of Canakkale, Erdogan said, "there is no reason why the bomb that exploded in Ankara cannot explode in Brussels, in any other European city."

Connecting the dots along the refugee path?