Mississippi bill would require teachers to grade parents

originally posted by: Domo1
FFS people.

Do you have any idea what teachers have to deal with? They're trying to give your kid an education, help them grow and learn skills that will allow them to become self reliant and able to learn more, go to college or at least do basic math and communication skills so they don't wind up handing out fries.

You don't just ship your kid off to school and expect them to parent for you. A child's education starts and ends at home. Parent's need to be involved. If you don't hold the child accountable at home or help them with their homework you are a asshole and stunting your child's growth. You don't have to have all the answers, but you can hold your child accountable. There's only so much a school can do. If your kid is failing you need to be actively involved and figure out options to help them succeed.

Parents should be graded. They are more than half of a child's education. They are the thing that holds the child accountable.

"My parents got an A, and you're got an F, naa naa naa naa you have a suck home. Loser.."

I see this as the best way to change things... absolutely.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

What happens when the school believes that you've "failed" your child?

Maybe the parent will try to improve their grade.

Maybe the parent is also a product of a failed society, system, general enforced agenda to maintain a standard of faulty reality.

no?

Ahh they must just be bad parents, why not just remove the kids and put the parents in hard labour for their crimes against society... you know, having children they love.

best thing is, let the government own your kids. you as a parent know nothing.

In my view, yes, grading is pushing it a bit far. Sure parents need to be held accountable too. However, I cant help but sympathize with the wonderful parents who have a troubled child. In some cases the parent has done everything in their will to have this child make good grades, attend school, more but it's not working. The child in opposition to the parent will grade them badly despite the fact.

Will the parent still receive bad recognition and be held responsible and be penalized for their child's actions? This firmly needs to be accessed before it "moves forward".

Also, since the "experiment" failed twice as discussed by the source.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: ckhk3
Yes there are those who do it because they love it, now days they do it for the money.

Those damn teachers and their Ferraris and million dollar homes. How dare they!

What teachers do you know that drive Ferraris?

Have you checked on teachers salaries lately?

You don't do sarcasm well do you?

Doesn't always translate on the net.

But, good to know that was sarcasm.

Everyone but you got it Annee..

Perhaps there is something different about you?

hint: that's not sarcasm...

Like I don't read stuff into what's written?

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: eisegesis

originally posted by: Annee
Sounds good to me.

Parent involvement is the major difference in how a child performs at school.

What happens when the school believes that you've "failed" your child?

State foster homes, where education to the state enforced narrative is the key to becoming a productive and good sla.. I mean citizen.

Camps full of children of bad parents, grown to all tow the line.

An entire generation of new age peons, brain washed to follow orders, learn a set truth, never question. obey.

who needs parents? soon they will just clone the future.

It's a Brave New World!

originally posted by: laminatedsoul

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Annee

Excuses?

What are you talking about?


Only "excuse" you'll get out of me is EXCUSE ME, I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that underprivileged children & families in general will suffer the most from this draconian bull#.


Do you know what drug addiction does?
Do you know what a broken home does?
Do you know what domestic violence does?


It makes school a mere secondary and meaningless daily activity.

If my mum had got an F for my behaviour in school if have #ing burned it to the ground.

I was an underprivileged kid.

I came from a broken home. My dad ran off with another woman because my mom came down with polio and was disabled.

There are plenty of successful people who came out of less then perfect circumstances.

Its an excuse.

You mean despite your home life, you still put the effort in, and it had nothing to do with your parents?

No. I didn't.

30 Parents WHO are WAY smarter then their kids

- Scary mommy

What to do when your kid is smarter then you : A practical guide to survival

- Daily Reckoning

I would provide links but I do think I am on the same wave link

a reply to: laminatedsoul

"My parents got an A, and you're got an F, naa naa naa naa you have a suck home. Loser.."

Pretty much. My metal facilities are less ungood because my big people red word flip paiges to me when I was underold.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: eisegesis

I don't get it. I always hear conservatives assert over and over that the parents know better than the teachers how to educate their children. Why are so many upset over a plan that will hold them accountable and to back up their talk with actions?

I think this is a fantastic idea. Early developmental education is sooooo reliant on parental support and participation.

Wow. Absolute failure to understand a conservative position and instead apply standard liberal approach.

Conservatives want parents to be more involved and support children in their education because it's the right thing to do, not because they are forced to do it.

Liberals want to force parents to do it at metaphorical gunpoint, because it's a shame to waste any opportunity to hold someone over a barrel.

Can't see the problem? Just wait until CPS are involved because you got a "failing grade" for... teaching the child something that isn't aligned with the political views of the teacher. Because, well, that's not supportive of the school to contradict what the school is teaching. Teaching the child to do maths at home? Now you're disrupting the teaching plan by allowing the child to get ahead of the rest of the class. Whoops, failing grade again!

That's the liberal way. Make contradiction a crime - but don't worry, it's for the children.

Kids: Smarter Than Adults


dailyreckoning.com...

It’s happened yet again: I found another movie presumably made for kids that easily beats the rest
The movie this time is The Pirates! Band of Misfits.
It is the story of a group of failed pirates and their captain’s search for the “Pirate of the Year” pageant.
This supposed kids movie is packed with subtle hints and ironic humour but mostly it deals with big and important themes like the love of money, politics, indulgence and how to handle an evil Queen and her loot.
It asks fundamental questions such as is it really wrong that you want to get something free from the government?
It ends up touching on hard questions and the difficulties of balancing the love for one’s hard work and the need for material enjoyment.
The humor even deals with probability theory, such as when the captain says concerning the pageant: “Every time I’ve entered, I’ve failed to win.
So I must have a really good chance this time!”
Kids seem understand the captain’s fallacy.
Do adults?
It’s hard to remember a movie that offered rich content .
All movies are cranked out according to the plan and offer no surprises.
Most bore me and I can’t wait for them to end.
But Pirates are an absolute delight! with despicable me, inside out, tangled and some others.
For the life of me, I don’t know why adults suffer through all the junk put out for their consumption when they could so easily be delighted enjoying themselves.
Apparently, I’m not alone in this judgment it was easily observed over many years that the average G-rated film in a five-year period was eight times more anticipated than R-rated movies.
Further, the average PG title was about five times more educational.
The nonprofitable Erol Foundation speculates that family movies have larger possibility for fun because the Miss of the absence of sex and violence.
Scenes are more appealing, well-packed with action, adventure, comedy, romance.
There might be something to that idea and most can see.
But I’m thinking that there is a much simpler and less finger-wagging explanation that is not directly related to the moral content.
My explanation is this: Kids movies are better because the kid is more demanding.
And to put it plainly they insist that the services they receive are top quality.
The market must merely conform to their high demand. It’s that simple.
But can it really be true that kids have a keener sense in some areas than adults?
Not in every area. Kids have ridiculously short g-time horizons, for example.
But in other ways, they know thing or two that we do not.
Here’s an example of where kids prove themselves much smarter than their parents.
From an early age, and really from their first interactions with peers, kids become obsessed with their clothes.
Parents find this preposterous. Surely, this is proof of the outrageous child’s mind, the way in which this immaturity leads to their brain fog leads to an intense need for parent to constantly shape dumbbells into them expecting to make sound judgments.
Volunteers were shown pictures of people with known designer labels and unknown labels but otherwise almost not wearing the same type of clothes.
People were asked which person would enjoy the highest status, the simple bare answer won easily.
Silly? Not really.
You can say that it's ridiculous, and it probably is, but the kids are the objective ones here.
Absorbing and intuiting to the facts, responding to the world around them in ways that are realistic and likely to get them where they want to be.
Parents should never be oblivious to these important realities or to stop this from happening, and should encourage their mind to interact with the physical world.
Blessed be fun.
Take your loved one and seek it and embrace it, is something that no power on Earth should be permitted to take away from us.

When my son was in grade 3, the teacher met with all his class's parents, and told us all to stop checking homework and to stop reminding the kids to bring it back to school.
He said he couldn't tell how much the kids were learning, both about the lessons, and responsibility about handing in homework on time. Best teacher , ever.

He also had each child ask their parents to draw a map of the world, just from memory. I did good, only forgot India, but most other parents didn't even draw it. That was parental homework, I passed. That was just to check parental involvement.

Grading parents, as law, is the stupidest idea ever. The way things go in the US, is all or nothing, often taken to extremes. Parents may start doing their children's homework, because of fear of a bad grade, being labelled a crappy parent, or fear of losing their kids.. Where is the child going to learn about responsibility, how is the teacher going to grade the student if homework and "in school" work is different ?

a reply to: EvillerBob

"Conservatives want parents to be more involved and support children in their education because it's the right thing to do, not because they are forced to do it.

Liberals want to force parents to do it at metaphorical gunpoint, because it's a shame to waste any opportunity to hold someone over a barrel. "

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This isn't really directed at the person that wrote the above quote. I just HATE (with a passion) the division and the friggen labels put on people. I strongly disagree with the above labels, maybe because I'm Canadian, and our liberal and conservative labels do not line up with the US version of political alliances.
Teachers teach, and parents parent, and there's good and bad teachers and parents, that has absolutely nothing to do with their political leanings! At least that's how it is in the north.

originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: EvillerBob
Teachers teach, and parents parent, and there's good and bad teachers and parents, that has absolutely nothing to do with their political leanings! At least that's how it is in the north.

But the people who draft and propose the laws, and the politicians who pass and implement them, are doing it entirely in line with their political leanings.

You might not have a label, but you're also not responsible for making laws like this.

a reply to: snowspirit

This isn't really directed at the person that wrote the above quote. I just HATE (with a passion) the division and the friggen labels put on people. I strongly disagree with the above labels, maybe because I'm Canadian, and our liberal and conservative labels do not line up with the US version of political alliances. Teachers teach, and parents parent, and there's good and bad teachers and parents, that has absolutely nothing to do with their political leanings! At least that's how it is in the north.

Couldn't have said it better myself !




Every single friggen subject on ATS somehow manages to become all about "lefty" and "righty".

You could make a thread about popsicles and somebody will come along before the thread even hits the end of the first page and turn it into a lefty loosey or righty tighty pissing match.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: snowspirit

Every single friggen subject on ATS somehow manages to become all about "lefty" and "righty".

So... you're objecting on the grounds that politics has no place in a debate about legislation?

Ooooooookay then...

a reply to: EvillerBob

I think he's just objecting to your "Liberals R Bad, conservTies iz da best" response that was based on a single piece of legislation that you assumed must have solely democrat proponents.

a reply to: EvillerBob

I think it's more the polarization of everything/everyone these days - left right, black white (just the colours, not racial), black white (yes, racially).
There's grey areas, there should be a bit of left thinking in the right and right thinking in the left.

Maybe that's why legislation (for many ideas) often seems so extreme on one side or the other..

It's early, maybe I just need another good black coffee, with a little bit of milk....

originally posted by: BigScaryStrawman
a reply to: EvillerBob

I think he's just objecting to your "Liberals R Bad, conservTies iz da best" response that was based on a single piece of legislation that you assumed must have solely democrat proponents.

I didn't exactly "assume" it, I read the article.

And it's "teh Bestest". ConservTies iz teh Bestest.

originally posted by: snowspirit
a reply to: EvillerBob

I think it's more the polarization of everything/everyone these days

That's an entirely valid point, but it has happened for a reason. From a conservative standpoint (in case it's not clear, I have a slight conservative lean) every time we look for compromise or middle ground, the only compromise on offer involves a loss on the conservative position and no movement at all from the opposition. Not only that, even when you do compromise, it's never enough and within months you're back to facing demands for ever more movement.

If you find that compromise always means losing, the only option is to refuse to compromise. Any positives to be found from the liberal position are rejected out of hand because if you offer them an inch, they take a mile and then shout and scream that you're still not playing fair.

So yes it's heavily polarised, but that has occurred for a simple reason: there has been a complete breakdown in trust.

originally posted by: laminatedsoul
Ol' enumbra is on your side hey,

Yes and no.

You can't force parents to be involved and this grading system wouldn't do anything to get uninvolved parents involved and involved parents don't really need grading. It's not an awful idea, but it is a pointless waste of resources.



And for those that would still argue that teachers in Mississippi are in it for the money, I'm gonna need some figures; because unless Mississippi has seen some sort of renaissance, no teachers are in it for that whopping $53k average salary.

a reply to: eisegesis

So Mississippi has given up on trying to improve its terrible school performance and has opted to just blame the parents instead?